Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines with her Bunny Cup and Iron Lady Championship Cup 3 wins two weekends in a row, beating out previous title-holder Aurora. Hailing all the way from Quebec, DaSakura is one of the most talented and creative Zerg Masters players in the Starcraft II community. This week, ESL.NyxRose had a chance to talk with her about her recent tournament success as well as the story behind her gaming career.
Excerpt ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
ESL Emily 'NyxRose' Rose: Thank you for joining us today, Roxanne. How do you feel now that you are both this week’s Iron Lady Bunny Cup and Championship Cup victor? Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault: Well, I feel very proud obviously. The Iron Lady Cup was harder to win, of course because the girls were really better than in the Bunny Cup and because I didn’t find the time to prepare myself, so I was really not sure of my win this time. But finally I won and I’m very happy. ESL.NyxRose: Who would you say gave you the most trouble in the Iron Lady Cup 3? DaSakura: Luway, by far. First, she’s [Protoss], my weakest match-up. And her void ray build was new to me. I didn’t know how to counter that. I lost like two or three games by this build. She has a really good micro with her blink stalkers and her force-fields are sick. I remember my game on Xel’naga when she was at my gold. I was scared [laughs]. Her force-fields were really pro. ESL.NyxRose: I bet she’ll be looking for a rematch in the next Iron Lady Cup! DaSakura: And I will accept her challenge at the next Cup! I’ll be ready this time [smiles]. ESL.NyxRose: In your Bunny Cup Player Statement, you mentioned a little something about “trolling” and “bad mannering.” Could you elaborate on this for readers at home who might not understand what happened? DaSakura: Yeah, I can explain a little. I was “bad manner” when I played against Nattkatt only because she kept repeating that I was a boy because I wasn’t as friendly as the other girls. So, I didn’t want to be manner with her. Nothing crazy. It’s how I am when I play Starcraft even in the ladder. That’s all. ESL.NyxRose: Everyone has their own style – even with a little controversy, right? Look at Idra. Speaking of which, why did you decide to play Zerg?
DaSakura: I really don’t know. I think Zerg units are the nicest. And the first person I watched before I started to play Starcraft II was Idra. So, he influenced me. ESL.NyxRose: Would you say he’s your favorite pro player? DaSakura: Of course he is. I’m a macro player like Idra. ESL.NyxRose: As a Zerg player, what match-ups do you feel most confident against? What about the weakest? DaSakura: So, the match-up I feel most confident against is… I think it’s ZvZ, because I think my late game is good. But I have to work harder on my early build. My weakest is ZvP. I really hate the death-ball. I used to do some kind of all-in build in this match-up, but I don’t like it. I’m a macro player, so I need a better build. I’m actually trying to do some kind of bane bomb on the Protoss army. I don’t know. I’ll watch some [replays]. ESL.NyxRose: Banelings are always fun to use! Can you tell us a little bit about how you got into competitive Starcraft II? DaSakura: I just started to play ladder and I started facing very good players [such] as TT1 and Select. So, I felt like I have a lot of potential to do well in tournaments. ESL.NyxRose: Did you have any previous SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Nope. ESL.NyxRose: That’s awesome. Did you start out in a pretty high league when you first started playing? Or did you start out at the bottom of bronze like me and most other people who just picked up Starcraft II in the past year? DaSakura: I started pretty high. I’ve always been in the highest league, except for the last season because I didn’t play. I haven’t played ladder for a while, but I’m still second, I think. With 700 points, I was 800, but I had a losing streak of eight games.
ESL.NyxRose: How did you get so good so quickly? Most new people don’t start out that highly ranked. Where did those RTS skills come from if not from the first Starcraft? DaSakura: I really don’t know. The only game I really play [besides Starcraft II] is Diablo II, and that’s not really a strategy game. I watch stream every day. I participate in LANs. ESL.NyxRose: How excited are you for Diablo III? DaSakura: Too excited! [I'm excited for] multiplayer, of course. ESL.NyxRose: What class did you play in Diablo II, and what do you plan on playing in Diablo III? DaSakura: I play Bowazon and Shadow Assassin. [In Diablo III] I’ll try the Demon Hunter first, I think. She’s so bad-ass. ESL.NyxRose: So, what advice do you have for other players who want to be good enough to compete? Especially for the newer players who also don’t have any SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Watch their own replays and try to find what mistakes they made, even if they won. And play a lot, obviously. Watching the pro streams is helpful, too. ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. ESL.NyxRose: Is one of your goals to reach that male competitive level you speak of? DaSakura: Not really. I’m not addicted to this game. I don’t play that much. Last season I played like 200 games, maximum. So, I don’t think I’m enough in the game to reach this level. ESL.NyxRose: If you had the opportunity to play against any pro in the community, who would you pick and why? DaSakura: Nestea, because I think he’s the best Zerg by far. Even though I know I could never beat him, I know I would gain a lot of experience from a player of this level. ESL.NyxRose: Hey, you never know. You got good pretty fast so I bet you could give him a run for his money. What are you up to besides gaming? DaSakura: My boyfriend, poker, PC, movies… That’s all. I’m not a very “cool” girl. I don’t like to go to clubs or go out with friends. I prefer my boyfriend and my computer. ESL.NyxRose: That’s understandable and respectable. I’m a homebody myself. Are you planning on going to university soon? DaSakura: Yeah, I will go to university but not really soon. I have to do my college before. I took a break of one year and I played Starcraft II instead [laughs]. ESL.NyxRose: Should we be expecting you at any live events this year? MLG Raleigh is a little less than two weeks away now. DaSakura: I will not be at the MLG. I will be participating at the Lan ETS in Montreal. ESL.NyxRose: Good luck with that! Would you like to give any shout-outs at this time? DaSakura: I’d like to give a shout-out to my only fan Mura [laughs] and to my boyfriend for the help and the support. ESL.NyxRose: I’m sure you have more fans now that you’re winning all these Iron Lady tournaments. DaSakura: Yeah, probably. I’d like to thank them, too! ESL.NyxRose: And thanks to you for taking the time out to do this interview. We really appreciate it here at ESL Iron Lady! DaSakura: Thanks to you! No problem.
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Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines with her Bunny Cup and Iron Lady Championship Cup 3 wins two weekends in a row, beating out previous title-holder Aurora. Hailing all the way from Quebec, DaSakura is one of the most talented and creative Zerg Masters players in the Starcraft II community. This week, ESL.NyxRose had a chance to talk with her about her recent tournament success as well as the story behind her gaming career.
Excerpt ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
ESL Emily 'NyxRose' Rose: Thank you for joining us today, Roxanne. How do you feel now that you are both this week’s Iron Lady Bunny Cup and Championship Cup victor? Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault: Well, I feel very proud obviously. The Iron Lady Cup was harder to win, of course because the girls were really better than in the Bunny Cup and because I didn’t find the time to prepare myself, so I was really not sure of my win this time. But finally I won and I’m very happy. ESL.NyxRose: Who would you say gave you the most trouble in the Iron Lady Cup 3? DaSakura: Luway, by far. First, she’s [Protoss], my weakest match-up. And her void ray build was new to me. I didn’t know how to counter that. I lost like two or three games by this build. She has a really good micro with her blink stalkers and her force-fields are sick. I remember my game on Xel’naga when she was at my gold. I was scared [laughs]. Her force-fields were really pro. ESL.NyxRose: I bet she’ll be looking for a rematch in the next Iron Lady Cup! DaSakura: And I will accept her challenge at the next Cup! I’ll be ready this time [smiles]. ESL.NyxRose: In your Bunny Cup Player Statement, you mentioned a little something about “trolling” and “bad mannering.” Could you elaborate on this for readers at home who might not understand what happened? DaSakura: Yeah, I can explain a little. I was “bad manner” when I played against Nattkatt only because she kept repeating that I was a boy because I wasn’t as friendly as the other girls. So, I didn’t want to be manner with her. Nothing crazy. It’s how I am when I play Starcraft even in the ladder. That’s all. ESL.NyxRose: Everyone has their own style – even with a little controversy, right? Look at Idra. Speaking of which, why did you decide to play Zerg?
DaSakura: I really don’t know. I think Zerg units are the nicest. And the first person I watched before I started to play Starcraft II was Idra. So, he influenced me. ESL.NyxRose: Would you say he’s your favorite pro player? DaSakura: Of course he is. I’m a macro player like Idra. ESL.NyxRose: As a Zerg player, what match-ups do you feel most confident against? What about the weakest? DaSakura: So, the match-up I feel most confident against is… I think it’s ZvZ, because I think my late game is good. But I have to work harder on my early build. My weakest is ZvP. I really hate the death-ball. I used to do some kind of all-in build in this match-up, but I don’t like it. I’m a macro player, so I need a better build. I’m actually trying to do some kind of bane bomb on the Protoss army. I don’t know. I’ll watch some [replays]. ESL.NyxRose: Banelings are always fun to use! Can you tell us a little bit about how you got into competitive Starcraft II? DaSakura: I just started to play ladder and I started facing very good players [such] as TT1 and Select. So, I felt like I have a lot of potential to do well in tournaments. ESL.NyxRose: Did you have any previous SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Nope. ESL.NyxRose: That’s awesome. Did you start out in a pretty high league when you first started playing? Or did you start out at the bottom of bronze like me and most other people who just picked up Starcraft II in the past year? DaSakura: I started pretty high. I’ve always been in the highest league, except for the last season because I didn’t play. I haven’t played ladder for a while, but I’m still second, I think. With 700 points, I was 800, but I had a losing streak of eight games.
ESL.NyxRose: How did you get so good so quickly? Most new people don’t start out that highly ranked. Where did those RTS skills come from if not from the first Starcraft? DaSakura: I really don’t know. The only game I really play [besides Starcraft II] is Diablo II, and that’s not really a strategy game. I watch stream every day. I participate in LANs. ESL.NyxRose: How excited are you for Diablo III? DaSakura: Too excited! [I'm excited for] multiplayer, of course. ESL.NyxRose: What class did you play in Diablo II, and what do you plan on playing in Diablo III? DaSakura: I play Bowazon and Shadow Assassin. [In Diablo III] I’ll try the Demon Hunter first, I think. She’s so bad-ass. ESL.NyxRose: So, what advice do you have for other players who want to be good enough to compete? Especially for the newer players who also don’t have any SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Watch their own replays and try to find what mistakes they made, even if they won. And play a lot, obviously. Watching the pro streams is helpful, too. ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. ESL.NyxRose: Is one of your goals to reach that male competitive level you speak of? DaSakura: Not really. I’m not addicted to this game. I don’t play that much. Last season I played like 200 games, maximum. So, I don’t think I’m enough in the game to reach this level. ESL.NyxRose: If you had the opportunity to play against any pro in the community, who would you pick and why? DaSakura: Nestea, because I think he’s the best Zerg by far. Even though I know I could never beat him, I know I would gain a lot of experience from a player of this level. ESL.NyxRose: Hey, you never know. You got good pretty fast so I bet you could give him a run for his money. What are you up to besides gaming? DaSakura: My boyfriend, poker, PC, movies… That’s all. I’m not a very “cool” girl. I don’t like to go to clubs or go out with friends. I prefer my boyfriend and my computer. ESL.NyxRose: That’s understandable and respectable. I’m a homebody myself. Are you planning on going to university soon? DaSakura: Yeah, I will go to university but not really soon. I have to do my college before. I took a break of one year and I played Starcraft II instead [laughs]. ESL.NyxRose: Should we be expecting you at any live events this year? MLG Raleigh is a little less than two weeks away now. DaSakura: I will not be at the MLG. I will be participating at the Lan ETS in Montreal. ESL.NyxRose: Good luck with that! Would you like to give any shout-outs at this time? DaSakura: I’d like to give a shout-out to my only fan Mura [laughs] and to my boyfriend for the help and the support. ESL.NyxRose: I’m sure you have more fans now that you’re winning all these Iron Lady tournaments. DaSakura: Yeah, probably. I’d like to thank them, too! ESL.NyxRose: And thanks to you for taking the time out to do this interview. We really appreciate it here at ESL Iron Lady! DaSakura: Thanks to you! No problem.
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Wow and I thought there weren't many female top players other than the ones that are already pretty well known. Congratulations on winning the tournament! P.S pm me when your single
Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines with her Bunny Cup and Iron Lady Championship Cup 3 wins two weekends in a row, beating out previous title-holder Aurora. Hailing all the way from Quebec, DaSakura is one of the most talented and creative Zerg Masters players in the Starcraft II community. This week, ESL.NyxRose had a chance to talk with her about her recent tournament success as well as the story behind her gaming career.
Excerpt ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
ESL Emily 'NyxRose' Rose: Thank you for joining us today, Roxanne. How do you feel now that you are both this week’s Iron Lady Bunny Cup and Championship Cup victor? Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault: Well, I feel very proud obviously. The Iron Lady Cup was harder to win, of course because the girls were really better than in the Bunny Cup and because I didn’t find the time to prepare myself, so I was really not sure of my win this time. But finally I won and I’m very happy. ESL.NyxRose: Who would you say gave you the most trouble in the Iron Lady Cup 3? DaSakura: Luway, by far. First, she’s [Protoss], my weakest match-up. And her void ray build was new to me. I didn’t know how to counter that. I lost like two or three games by this build. She has a really good micro with her blink stalkers and her force-fields are sick. I remember my game on Xel’naga when she was at my gold. I was scared [laughs]. Her force-fields were really pro. ESL.NyxRose: I bet she’ll be looking for a rematch in the next Iron Lady Cup! DaSakura: And I will accept her challenge at the next Cup! I’ll be ready this time [smiles]. ESL.NyxRose: In your Bunny Cup Player Statement, you mentioned a little something about “trolling” and “bad mannering.” Could you elaborate on this for readers at home who might not understand what happened? DaSakura: Yeah, I can explain a little. I was “bad manner” when I played against Nattkatt only because she kept repeating that I was a boy because I wasn’t as friendly as the other girls. So, I didn’t want to be manner with her. Nothing crazy. It’s how I am when I play Starcraft even in the ladder. That’s all. ESL.NyxRose: Everyone has their own style – even with a little controversy, right? Look at Idra. Speaking of which, why did you decide to play Zerg?
DaSakura: I really don’t know. I think Zerg units are the nicest. And the first person I watched before I started to play Starcraft II was Idra. So, he influenced me. ESL.NyxRose: Would you say he’s your favorite pro player? DaSakura: Of course he is. I’m a macro player like Idra. ESL.NyxRose: As a Zerg player, what match-ups do you feel most confident against? What about the weakest? DaSakura: So, the match-up I feel most confident against is… I think it’s ZvZ, because I think my late game is good. But I have to work harder on my early build. My weakest is ZvP. I really hate the death-ball. I used to do some kind of all-in build in this match-up, but I don’t like it. I’m a macro player, so I need a better build. I’m actually trying to do some kind of bane bomb on the Protoss army. I don’t know. I’ll watch some [replays]. ESL.NyxRose: Banelings are always fun to use! Can you tell us a little bit about how you got into competitive Starcraft II? DaSakura: I just started to play ladder and I started facing very good players [such] as TT1 and Select. So, I felt like I have a lot of potential to do well in tournaments. ESL.NyxRose: Did you have any previous SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Nope. ESL.NyxRose: That’s awesome. Did you start out in a pretty high league when you first started playing? Or did you start out at the bottom of bronze like me and most other people who just picked up Starcraft II in the past year? DaSakura: I started pretty high. I’ve always been in the highest league, except for the last season because I didn’t play. I haven’t played ladder for a while, but I’m still second, I think. With 700 points, I was 800, but I had a losing streak of eight games.
ESL.NyxRose: How did you get so good so quickly? Most new people don’t start out that highly ranked. Where did those RTS skills come from if not from the first Starcraft? DaSakura: I really don’t know. The only game I really play [besides Starcraft II] is Diablo II, and that’s not really a strategy game. I watch stream every day. I participate in LANs. ESL.NyxRose: How excited are you for Diablo III? DaSakura: Too excited! [I'm excited for] multiplayer, of course. ESL.NyxRose: What class did you play in Diablo II, and what do you plan on playing in Diablo III? DaSakura: I play Bowazon and Shadow Assassin. [In Diablo III] I’ll try the Demon Hunter first, I think. She’s so bad-ass. ESL.NyxRose: So, what advice do you have for other players who want to be good enough to compete? Especially for the newer players who also don’t have any SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Watch their own replays and try to find what mistakes they made, even if they won. And play a lot, obviously. Watching the pro streams is helpful, too. ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. ESL.NyxRose: Is one of your goals to reach that male competitive level you speak of? DaSakura: Not really. I’m not addicted to this game. I don’t play that much. Last season I played like 200 games, maximum. So, I don’t think I’m enough in the game to reach this level. ESL.NyxRose: If you had the opportunity to play against any pro in the community, who would you pick and why? DaSakura: Nestea, because I think he’s the best Zerg by far. Even though I know I could never beat him, I know I would gain a lot of experience from a player of this level. ESL.NyxRose: Hey, you never know. You got good pretty fast so I bet you could give him a run for his money. What are you up to besides gaming? DaSakura: My boyfriend, poker, PC, movies… That’s all. I’m not a very “cool” girl. I don’t like to go to clubs or go out with friends. I prefer my boyfriend and my computer. ESL.NyxRose: That’s understandable and respectable. I’m a homebody myself. Are you planning on going to university soon? DaSakura: Yeah, I will go to university but not really soon. I have to do my college before. I took a break of one year and I played Starcraft II instead [laughs]. ESL.NyxRose: Should we be expecting you at any live events this year? MLG Raleigh is a little less than two weeks away now. DaSakura: I will not be at the MLG. I will be participating at the Lan ETS in Montreal. ESL.NyxRose: Good luck with that! Would you like to give any shout-outs at this time? DaSakura: I’d like to give a shout-out to my only fan Mura [laughs] and to my boyfriend for the help and the support. ESL.NyxRose: I’m sure you have more fans now that you’re winning all these Iron Lady tournaments. DaSakura: Yeah, probably. I’d like to thank them, too! ESL.NyxRose: And thanks to you for taking the time out to do this interview. We really appreciate it here at ESL Iron Lady! DaSakura: Thanks to you! No problem.
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This needs more attention. I think its great there are more girls who have interest in this game now. On another note, i really cant believe this girl is higher rank than me lol. Its great for her. I told my gf about her and shes interested. My girl hates sc but respects me playing it. Hopefully this will change her mind a bit?
However I do think shes understating how hooked she is. I mean she took a year off to play sc and shes not hooked?
Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines with her Bunny Cup and Iron Lady Championship Cup 3 wins two weekends in a row, beating out previous title-holder Aurora. Hailing all the way from Quebec, DaSakura is one of the most talented and creative Zerg Masters players in the Starcraft II community. This week, ESL.NyxRose had a chance to talk with her about her recent tournament success as well as the story behind her gaming career.
Excerpt ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
ESL Emily 'NyxRose' Rose: Thank you for joining us today, Roxanne. How do you feel now that you are both this week’s Iron Lady Bunny Cup and Championship Cup victor? Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault: Well, I feel very proud obviously. The Iron Lady Cup was harder to win, of course because the girls were really better than in the Bunny Cup and because I didn’t find the time to prepare myself, so I was really not sure of my win this time. But finally I won and I’m very happy. ESL.NyxRose: Who would you say gave you the most trouble in the Iron Lady Cup 3? DaSakura: Luway, by far. First, she’s [Protoss], my weakest match-up. And her void ray build was new to me. I didn’t know how to counter that. I lost like two or three games by this build. She has a really good micro with her blink stalkers and her force-fields are sick. I remember my game on Xel’naga when she was at my gold. I was scared [laughs]. Her force-fields were really pro. ESL.NyxRose: I bet she’ll be looking for a rematch in the next Iron Lady Cup! DaSakura: And I will accept her challenge at the next Cup! I’ll be ready this time [smiles]. ESL.NyxRose: In your Bunny Cup Player Statement, you mentioned a little something about “trolling” and “bad mannering.” Could you elaborate on this for readers at home who might not understand what happened? DaSakura: Yeah, I can explain a little. I was “bad manner” when I played against Nattkatt only because she kept repeating that I was a boy because I wasn’t as friendly as the other girls. So, I didn’t want to be manner with her. Nothing crazy. It’s how I am when I play Starcraft even in the ladder. That’s all. ESL.NyxRose: Everyone has their own style – even with a little controversy, right? Look at Idra. Speaking of which, why did you decide to play Zerg?
DaSakura: I really don’t know. I think Zerg units are the nicest. And the first person I watched before I started to play Starcraft II was Idra. So, he influenced me. ESL.NyxRose: Would you say he’s your favorite pro player? DaSakura: Of course he is. I’m a macro player like Idra. ESL.NyxRose: As a Zerg player, what match-ups do you feel most confident against? What about the weakest? DaSakura: So, the match-up I feel most confident against is… I think it’s ZvZ, because I think my late game is good. But I have to work harder on my early build. My weakest is ZvP. I really hate the death-ball. I used to do some kind of all-in build in this match-up, but I don’t like it. I’m a macro player, so I need a better build. I’m actually trying to do some kind of bane bomb on the Protoss army. I don’t know. I’ll watch some [replays]. ESL.NyxRose: Banelings are always fun to use! Can you tell us a little bit about how you got into competitive Starcraft II? DaSakura: I just started to play ladder and I started facing very good players [such] as TT1 and Select. So, I felt like I have a lot of potential to do well in tournaments. ESL.NyxRose: Did you have any previous SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Nope. ESL.NyxRose: That’s awesome. Did you start out in a pretty high league when you first started playing? Or did you start out at the bottom of bronze like me and most other people who just picked up Starcraft II in the past year? DaSakura: I started pretty high. I’ve always been in the highest league, except for the last season because I didn’t play. I haven’t played ladder for a while, but I’m still second, I think. With 700 points, I was 800, but I had a losing streak of eight games.
ESL.NyxRose: How did you get so good so quickly? Most new people don’t start out that highly ranked. Where did those RTS skills come from if not from the first Starcraft? DaSakura: I really don’t know. The only game I really play [besides Starcraft II] is Diablo II, and that’s not really a strategy game. I watch stream every day. I participate in LANs. ESL.NyxRose: How excited are you for Diablo III? DaSakura: Too excited! [I'm excited for] multiplayer, of course. ESL.NyxRose: What class did you play in Diablo II, and what do you plan on playing in Diablo III? DaSakura: I play Bowazon and Shadow Assassin. [In Diablo III] I’ll try the Demon Hunter first, I think. She’s so bad-ass. ESL.NyxRose: So, what advice do you have for other players who want to be good enough to compete? Especially for the newer players who also don’t have any SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Watch their own replays and try to find what mistakes they made, even if they won. And play a lot, obviously. Watching the pro streams is helpful, too. ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. ESL.NyxRose: Is one of your goals to reach that male competitive level you speak of? DaSakura: Not really. I’m not addicted to this game. I don’t play that much. Last season I played like 200 games, maximum. So, I don’t think I’m enough in the game to reach this level. ESL.NyxRose: If you had the opportunity to play against any pro in the community, who would you pick and why? DaSakura: Nestea, because I think he’s the best Zerg by far. Even though I know I could never beat him, I know I would gain a lot of experience from a player of this level. ESL.NyxRose: Hey, you never know. You got good pretty fast so I bet you could give him a run for his money. What are you up to besides gaming? DaSakura: My boyfriend, poker, PC, movies… That’s all. I’m not a very “cool” girl. I don’t like to go to clubs or go out with friends. I prefer my boyfriend and my computer. ESL.NyxRose: That’s understandable and respectable. I’m a homebody myself. Are you planning on going to university soon? DaSakura: Yeah, I will go to university but not really soon. I have to do my college before. I took a break of one year and I played Starcraft II instead [laughs]. ESL.NyxRose: Should we be expecting you at any live events this year? MLG Raleigh is a little less than two weeks away now. DaSakura: I will not be at the MLG. I will be participating at the Lan ETS in Montreal. ESL.NyxRose: Good luck with that! Would you like to give any shout-outs at this time? DaSakura: I’d like to give a shout-out to my only fan Mura [laughs] and to my boyfriend for the help and the support. ESL.NyxRose: I’m sure you have more fans now that you’re winning all these Iron Lady tournaments. DaSakura: Yeah, probably. I’d like to thank them, too! ESL.NyxRose: And thanks to you for taking the time out to do this interview. We really appreciate it here at ESL Iron Lady! DaSakura: Thanks to you! No problem.
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Stx.Toss girl would like to have a word with you about boys being better at the game .......
Dude, she hasn't even achieved anything. The last she played a televised game was 2 years ago I believe. I think the only reason she's even kept on STX is because of the lulz...
Usually I don't really care that much about the Girl Gaming because I consider that they are gamers, just like us and unfortunally, most of the women don't commit as much as men, so they don't deserve all the spotlights and interviews.
Recruiting a girl for the simple fact that she is a girl while completely aware that she is never going to be competitive does absolutely nothing to advance women in esports. It does the opposite. It serves to highlight the fact that women need what effectively amounts to a handout in order to be able to sit down with a pro team, or at least give that perception.
The whole basis for it is actually flawed because it assumes some sort of disadvantage for girls. This isn't football. You have fingers, eyes, and a brain. If you don't want to put the effort in that the other people have (in this case, all males), then you simply don't deserve to be on a pro team.
In this case it looks different, I think DaSakura may be correct about her potential, 700+ Master rating is actually good enough to push harder and reach GM or higher skill level.
Sadly I disagree with her statement :
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
I hope someday a talented women gamer will commit as much as players like idrA, Huk, MC and wins tournaments to prove her wrong.
Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
But doesn't everyone do the same? Not all men are machines. We rage also (or maybe I'm just pathetic).
Her attitude seems pretty disappointing to me. She doesn't seem really excited about the game and improving herself, and she has a bad attitude about women in sc2. Seems like she came into the game doing pretty well and didn't care to put the time into it to really improve (200 games a season, even though taking off of school for a year to play? wut?).
Please look to spotlight people who are really passionate about the game though, instead of just discouraging to other women who hope to play at a high level someday.
There are tons of people who play the game just because it's fun, of course, and it's great they do. Also, it's really awesome she won the tournament, and she seems quite talented! So congrats to her! GL in the future DaSakura!
Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines with her Bunny Cup and Iron Lady Championship Cup 3 wins two weekends in a row, beating out previous title-holder Aurora. Hailing all the way from Quebec, DaSakura is one of the most talented and creative Zerg Masters players in the Starcraft II community. This week, ESL.NyxRose had a chance to talk with her about her recent tournament success as well as the story behind her gaming career.
Excerpt ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
ESL Emily 'NyxRose' Rose: Thank you for joining us today, Roxanne. How do you feel now that you are both this week’s Iron Lady Bunny Cup and Championship Cup victor? Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault: Well, I feel very proud obviously. The Iron Lady Cup was harder to win, of course because the girls were really better than in the Bunny Cup and because I didn’t find the time to prepare myself, so I was really not sure of my win this time. But finally I won and I’m very happy. ESL.NyxRose: Who would you say gave you the most trouble in the Iron Lady Cup 3? DaSakura: Luway, by far. First, she’s [Protoss], my weakest match-up. And her void ray build was new to me. I didn’t know how to counter that. I lost like two or three games by this build. She has a really good micro with her blink stalkers and her force-fields are sick. I remember my game on Xel’naga when she was at my gold. I was scared [laughs]. Her force-fields were really pro. ESL.NyxRose: I bet she’ll be looking for a rematch in the next Iron Lady Cup! DaSakura: And I will accept her challenge at the next Cup! I’ll be ready this time [smiles]. ESL.NyxRose: In your Bunny Cup Player Statement, you mentioned a little something about “trolling” and “bad mannering.” Could you elaborate on this for readers at home who might not understand what happened? DaSakura: Yeah, I can explain a little. I was “bad manner” when I played against Nattkatt only because she kept repeating that I was a boy because I wasn’t as friendly as the other girls. So, I didn’t want to be manner with her. Nothing crazy. It’s how I am when I play Starcraft even in the ladder. That’s all. ESL.NyxRose: Everyone has their own style – even with a little controversy, right? Look at Idra. Speaking of which, why did you decide to play Zerg?
DaSakura: I really don’t know. I think Zerg units are the nicest. And the first person I watched before I started to play Starcraft II was Idra. So, he influenced me. ESL.NyxRose: Would you say he’s your favorite pro player? DaSakura: Of course he is. I’m a macro player like Idra. ESL.NyxRose: As a Zerg player, what match-ups do you feel most confident against? What about the weakest? DaSakura: So, the match-up I feel most confident against is… I think it’s ZvZ, because I think my late game is good. But I have to work harder on my early build. My weakest is ZvP. I really hate the death-ball. I used to do some kind of all-in build in this match-up, but I don’t like it. I’m a macro player, so I need a better build. I’m actually trying to do some kind of bane bomb on the Protoss army. I don’t know. I’ll watch some [replays]. ESL.NyxRose: Banelings are always fun to use! Can you tell us a little bit about how you got into competitive Starcraft II? DaSakura: I just started to play ladder and I started facing very good players [such] as TT1 and Select. So, I felt like I have a lot of potential to do well in tournaments. ESL.NyxRose: Did you have any previous SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Nope. ESL.NyxRose: That’s awesome. Did you start out in a pretty high league when you first started playing? Or did you start out at the bottom of bronze like me and most other people who just picked up Starcraft II in the past year? DaSakura: I started pretty high. I’ve always been in the highest league, except for the last season because I didn’t play. I haven’t played ladder for a while, but I’m still second, I think. With 700 points, I was 800, but I had a losing streak of eight games.
ESL.NyxRose: How did you get so good so quickly? Most new people don’t start out that highly ranked. Where did those RTS skills come from if not from the first Starcraft? DaSakura: I really don’t know. The only game I really play [besides Starcraft II] is Diablo II, and that’s not really a strategy game. I watch stream every day. I participate in LANs. ESL.NyxRose: How excited are you for Diablo III? DaSakura: Too excited! [I'm excited for] multiplayer, of course. ESL.NyxRose: What class did you play in Diablo II, and what do you plan on playing in Diablo III? DaSakura: I play Bowazon and Shadow Assassin. [In Diablo III] I’ll try the Demon Hunter first, I think. She’s so bad-ass. ESL.NyxRose: So, what advice do you have for other players who want to be good enough to compete? Especially for the newer players who also don’t have any SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Watch their own replays and try to find what mistakes they made, even if they won. And play a lot, obviously. Watching the pro streams is helpful, too. ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. ESL.NyxRose: Is one of your goals to reach that male competitive level you speak of? DaSakura: Not really. I’m not addicted to this game. I don’t play that much. Last season I played like 200 games, maximum. So, I don’t think I’m enough in the game to reach this level. ESL.NyxRose: If you had the opportunity to play against any pro in the community, who would you pick and why? DaSakura: Nestea, because I think he’s the best Zerg by far. Even though I know I could never beat him, I know I would gain a lot of experience from a player of this level. ESL.NyxRose: Hey, you never know. You got good pretty fast so I bet you could give him a run for his money. What are you up to besides gaming? DaSakura: My boyfriend, poker, PC, movies… That’s all. I’m not a very “cool” girl. I don’t like to go to clubs or go out with friends. I prefer my boyfriend and my computer. ESL.NyxRose: That’s understandable and respectable. I’m a homebody myself. Are you planning on going to university soon? DaSakura: Yeah, I will go to university but not really soon. I have to do my college before. I took a break of one year and I played Starcraft II instead [laughs]. ESL.NyxRose: Should we be expecting you at any live events this year? MLG Raleigh is a little less than two weeks away now. DaSakura: I will not be at the MLG. I will be participating at the Lan ETS in Montreal. ESL.NyxRose: Good luck with that! Would you like to give any shout-outs at this time? DaSakura: I’d like to give a shout-out to my only fan Mura [laughs] and to my boyfriend for the help and the support. ESL.NyxRose: I’m sure you have more fans now that you’re winning all these Iron Lady tournaments. DaSakura: Yeah, probably. I’d like to thank them, too! ESL.NyxRose: And thanks to you for taking the time out to do this interview. We really appreciate it here at ESL Iron Lady! DaSakura: Thanks to you! No problem.
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Stx.Toss girl would like to have a word with you about boys being better at the game .......
Dude, she hasn't even achieved anything. The last she played a televised game was 2 years ago I believe. I think the only reason she's even kept on STX is because of the lulz...
This is her achievement when there was still a woman league no achievement ? Winner: 2005 1st Ladies MBCGame Starleague 10 games Winner: 2004-2005 4th GameTV Womens' Starleague 5 games Winner: 2003 Womens Progamer Invitational 2 games
On August 17 2011 14:26 RedJustice wrote: Her attitude seems pretty disappointing to me. She doesn't seem really excited about the game and improving herself, and she has a bad attitude about women in sc2. Seems like she came into the game doing pretty well and didn't care to put the time into it to really improve (200 games a season, even though taking off of school for a year to play? wut?).
Please look to spotlight people who are really passionate about the game though, instead of just discouraging to other women who hope to play at a high level someday.
There are tons of people who play the game just because it's fun, of course, and it's great they do. Also, it's really awesome she won the tournament, and she seems quite talented! So congrats to her! GL in the future DaSakura!
She may not be incredibly excited about the game, but when we do this interview, we are doing them to actually get to know a talented player, and how they came to be. She was atleast very honest with herself in the interview, and I think her skill will speak volumes to other girl gamers looking for that proof that girls can and do compete at a high level. I know we wish that every high level player is an sc2 fanatic but it doesn't always work out that way
Phew! Good thing she's cute, otherwise she wouldn't get any attention. Way to go DaSakura!
Anyway as she said it all comes down to dedication. Women are not as willing to make sacrifices as men do.
Also there's something that bothers me; she plays on Ladder, right? We need a female-only ladder in my opinion. There are already female-only tournaments so that makes sense and would be totally fair.
On August 17 2011 10:15 pHaRSiDE wrote: Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines
I don't know why trolling is so celebrated in the SC2 community. It's like the nerds enjoy it when you toe the line between GM and BM. Anyway, girl is cute and she knows her angles. Only reason why anyone would care about this thread. Pretty sad in a way.
But it was interesting to see what she had to say in her interviews. I agree with her opinion that most girls just aren't built for competitive gaming. Anyone with a gf will know why. You don't deny a girl and frustrate her. You don't play hard to get with a girl and expect to succeed.
Sad to see how pessimistic she is about girls in the scene. I think it's just that 99% of players are guys so it's hard, statistically, for a girl to overcome that. There isn't anything inherently making girls worse. The "I lost 2 or 3 games so now I have to pout" is not a gender issue, it's a mindset issue. Happens to me too, and happens to a lot of people. Starcraft is a game of the mind, and it takes a tough toll on the mind. Women are no less apt to deal with it. IdrA's main enemy in the game is his own mind, it's not an uncommon thing at the highest level of play.
On August 18 2011 03:46 NASAmoose wrote: Sad to see how pessimistic she is about girls in the scene. I think it's just that 99% of players are guys so it's hard, statistically, for a girl to overcome that. There isn't anything inherently making girls worse. The "I lost 2 or 3 games so now I have to pout" is not a gender issue, it's a mindset issue. Happens to me too, and happens to a lot of people. Starcraft is a game of the mind, and it takes a tough toll on the mind. Women are no less apt to deal with it. IdrA's main enemy in the game is his own mind, it's not an uncommon thing at the highest level of play.
Pretty much this. I hope to see more women compete in the future.
Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
On August 17 2011 10:15 pHaRSiDE wrote: Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines
I don't know why trolling is so celebrated in the SC2 community. It's like the nerds enjoy it when you toe the line between GM and BM.
I've found the SC2 community's definition of trolling to be rather loose, for lack of a better description. Either that or I'm just being trolled by their definition of trolling which just thinking about melts my brain.
Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines with her Bunny Cup and Iron Lady Championship Cup 3 wins two weekends in a row, beating out previous title-holder Aurora. Hailing all the way from Quebec, DaSakura is one of the most talented and creative Zerg Masters players in the Starcraft II community. This week, ESL.NyxRose had a chance to talk with her about her recent tournament success as well as the story behind her gaming career.
Excerpt ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
ESL Emily 'NyxRose' Rose: Thank you for joining us today, Roxanne. How do you feel now that you are both this week’s Iron Lady Bunny Cup and Championship Cup victor? Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault: Well, I feel very proud obviously. The Iron Lady Cup was harder to win, of course because the girls were really better than in the Bunny Cup and because I didn’t find the time to prepare myself, so I was really not sure of my win this time. But finally I won and I’m very happy. ESL.NyxRose: Who would you say gave you the most trouble in the Iron Lady Cup 3? DaSakura: Luway, by far. First, she’s [Protoss], my weakest match-up. And her void ray build was new to me. I didn’t know how to counter that. I lost like two or three games by this build. She has a really good micro with her blink stalkers and her force-fields are sick. I remember my game on Xel’naga when she was at my gold. I was scared [laughs]. Her force-fields were really pro. ESL.NyxRose: I bet she’ll be looking for a rematch in the next Iron Lady Cup! DaSakura: And I will accept her challenge at the next Cup! I’ll be ready this time [smiles]. ESL.NyxRose: In your Bunny Cup Player Statement, you mentioned a little something about “trolling” and “bad mannering.” Could you elaborate on this for readers at home who might not understand what happened? DaSakura: Yeah, I can explain a little. I was “bad manner” when I played against Nattkatt only because she kept repeating that I was a boy because I wasn’t as friendly as the other girls. So, I didn’t want to be manner with her. Nothing crazy. It’s how I am when I play Starcraft even in the ladder. That’s all. ESL.NyxRose: Everyone has their own style – even with a little controversy, right? Look at Idra. Speaking of which, why did you decide to play Zerg?
DaSakura: I really don’t know. I think Zerg units are the nicest. And the first person I watched before I started to play Starcraft II was Idra. So, he influenced me. ESL.NyxRose: Would you say he’s your favorite pro player? DaSakura: Of course he is. I’m a macro player like Idra. ESL.NyxRose: As a Zerg player, what match-ups do you feel most confident against? What about the weakest? DaSakura: So, the match-up I feel most confident against is… I think it’s ZvZ, because I think my late game is good. But I have to work harder on my early build. My weakest is ZvP. I really hate the death-ball. I used to do some kind of all-in build in this match-up, but I don’t like it. I’m a macro player, so I need a better build. I’m actually trying to do some kind of bane bomb on the Protoss army. I don’t know. I’ll watch some [replays]. ESL.NyxRose: Banelings are always fun to use! Can you tell us a little bit about how you got into competitive Starcraft II? DaSakura: I just started to play ladder and I started facing very good players [such] as TT1 and Select. So, I felt like I have a lot of potential to do well in tournaments. ESL.NyxRose: Did you have any previous SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Nope. ESL.NyxRose: That’s awesome. Did you start out in a pretty high league when you first started playing? Or did you start out at the bottom of bronze like me and most other people who just picked up Starcraft II in the past year? DaSakura: I started pretty high. I’ve always been in the highest league, except for the last season because I didn’t play. I haven’t played ladder for a while, but I’m still second, I think. With 700 points, I was 800, but I had a losing streak of eight games.
ESL.NyxRose: How did you get so good so quickly? Most new people don’t start out that highly ranked. Where did those RTS skills come from if not from the first Starcraft? DaSakura: I really don’t know. The only game I really play [besides Starcraft II] is Diablo II, and that’s not really a strategy game. I watch stream every day. I participate in LANs. ESL.NyxRose: How excited are you for Diablo III? DaSakura: Too excited! [I'm excited for] multiplayer, of course. ESL.NyxRose: What class did you play in Diablo II, and what do you plan on playing in Diablo III? DaSakura: I play Bowazon and Shadow Assassin. [In Diablo III] I’ll try the Demon Hunter first, I think. She’s so bad-ass. ESL.NyxRose: So, what advice do you have for other players who want to be good enough to compete? Especially for the newer players who also don’t have any SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Watch their own replays and try to find what mistakes they made, even if they won. And play a lot, obviously. Watching the pro streams is helpful, too. ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. ESL.NyxRose: Is one of your goals to reach that male competitive level you speak of? DaSakura: Not really. I’m not addicted to this game. I don’t play that much. Last season I played like 200 games, maximum. So, I don’t think I’m enough in the game to reach this level. ESL.NyxRose: If you had the opportunity to play against any pro in the community, who would you pick and why? DaSakura: Nestea, because I think he’s the best Zerg by far. Even though I know I could never beat him, I know I would gain a lot of experience from a player of this level. ESL.NyxRose: Hey, you never know. You got good pretty fast so I bet you could give him a run for his money. What are you up to besides gaming? DaSakura: My boyfriend, poker, PC, movies… That’s all. I’m not a very “cool” girl. I don’t like to go to clubs or go out with friends. I prefer my boyfriend and my computer. ESL.NyxRose: That’s understandable and respectable. I’m a homebody myself. Are you planning on going to university soon? DaSakura: Yeah, I will go to university but not really soon. I have to do my college before. I took a break of one year and I played Starcraft II instead [laughs]. ESL.NyxRose: Should we be expecting you at any live events this year? MLG Raleigh is a little less than two weeks away now. DaSakura: I will not be at the MLG. I will be participating at the Lan ETS in Montreal. ESL.NyxRose: Good luck with that! Would you like to give any shout-outs at this time? DaSakura: I’d like to give a shout-out to my only fan Mura [laughs] and to my boyfriend for the help and the support. ESL.NyxRose: I’m sure you have more fans now that you’re winning all these Iron Lady tournaments. DaSakura: Yeah, probably. I’d like to thank them, too! ESL.NyxRose: And thanks to you for taking the time out to do this interview. We really appreciate it here at ESL Iron Lady! DaSakura: Thanks to you! No problem.
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Stx.Toss girl would like to have a word with you about boys being better at the game .......
Dude, she hasn't even achieved anything. The last she played a televised game was 2 years ago I believe. I think the only reason she's even kept on STX is because of the lulz...
So you're saying that becoming a progamer and attaining the ability to compete with other progamers isn't an accomplishment? I think you have your head a little too far up you know where.
At any rate, DaSakura is sick good, she's pretty cute too.
On August 17 2011 11:16 Cartel wrote: This needs more attention. I think its great there are more girls who have interest in this game now. On another note, i really cant believe this girl is higher rank than me lol. Its great for her. I told my gf about her and shes interested. My girl hates sc but respects me playing it. Hopefully this will change her mind a bit?
However I do think shes understating how hooked she is. I mean she took a year off to play sc and shes not hooked?
I didn't take one year off TO play sc, I took one year off to know what I really wanted in life, university, program at college, etc. But during this year, I played sc mostly of the time. Sadly, a big part of my games were 2s. I played like 1k games in 2s...
On August 18 2011 03:44 RaNgeD wrote: Well.. Idra did make tossgirl cry.. So I suppose maybe she is trying to say that most females may put too much of their emotion into the game.
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
Well just come at my appartement this weekend and will seee xD puantation des mers !
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
Well just come at my appartement this weekend and will seee xD puantation des mers !
It saddens me when girls think that they, nor any other girl, can get as good at <insert whatever> as boys are. It's especially weird that she says so after seemingly being very good without very much practice or dedication (compared to pro gamers).
Especially in computer games I see no reason that girls shouldn't be able to be as good as boys. Even if you go by sexist standards one of the most common thoughts have been that girls are better and multitasking, which should in a such case favor girls in sc2?
But no, I don't really think there is any difference except the social ones, probably mostly because more boys are fostered into a competitive mindset (which is booth why more boys like games, as well as why more boys get good at games).
Cool, good to see more and more people getting involved in ESPORTS... I just hope this does not turn out to be one of those sexist threads where everyone bms. Cheer up a little people ! Edit: Please don't say that just because of gender you can't be as good. T_T. It may be a little bit harder to get to the point where losses become non important and where you can develop a rhythm (and as I am typing this... I don't believe myself... You can do whatever men can do).
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
Well just come at my appartement this weekend and will seee xD puantation des mers !
LoLoL, I will.
TL. Appears to be a community site but is actually a casual hook-up site for semi-pro gamers.
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
Well just come at my appartement this weekend and will seee xD puantation des mers !
LoLoL, I will.
TL. Appears to be a community site but is actually a casual hook-up site for semi-pro gamers.
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
Well just come at my appartement this weekend and will seee xD puantation des mers !
LoLoL, I will.
TL. Appears to be a community site but is actually a casual hook-up site for semi-pro gamers.
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
Well just come at my appartement this weekend and will seee xD puantation des mers !
LoLoL, I will.
TL. Appears to be a community site but is actually a casual hook-up site for semi-pro gamers.
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
Well just come at my appartement this weekend and will seee xD puantation des mers !
LoLoL, I will.
TL. Appears to be a community site but is actually a casual hook-up site for semi-pro gamers.
On August 18 2011 04:02 AlexCMoi wrote: Great interview, wish my girlfriend was as good as you at starcraft... maybe you could coach her I agree that girls won't be as good as boys in general, just because boys are alot more competitive and clever in this kind of game. Anyway, I wish you the best in your life, you seems awesome and I guess your boyfriend is really nice too if you prefer him than the rest ! :D P.M. ME WHEN UR SINGLE lolol
Could be nice to test your APM. I heard that you are a god at sex.
Well just come at my appartement this weekend and will seee xD puantation des mers !
LoLoL, I will.
TL. Appears to be a community site but is actually a casual hook-up site for semi-pro gamers.
You're a puantation AlexCMou.
mou.... what about ur ass girl :O xD
ROFL, stop posting, drunk bitch.
LoLLL truth talking,,,, well I might be drunk but still I'll rape you 1v1 anytime ! end of the conversation !
On August 18 2011 03:44 RaNgeD wrote: Well.. Idra did make tossgirl cry.. So I suppose maybe she is trying to say that most females may put too much of their emotion into the game.
I'm not gonna say DaSakura is wrong with her own interpretion of her capabilities and limits due to emotion or likewise, doing so would be stupid as she obviously knows herself the best (and I don't know her at all except from what I've read in this thread), BUT I think saying that girls cannot compete generally because of emotion is simply put stupid. There is a lot of really good male gamers out there who have had such problems, be it rage (like what has causen Idra great problems even though his rage isn't half as bad as many others) or nervousness (like Puma in sc:bw), and none is gonna say that because of that no male will ever grow to be very good.
Also, if I was a girl and I read this thread I'd not at all feel like ever getting into progaming, as all people seems to comment on is DaSakuras looks. None is mean or anything (they have no reason to be that), but really I hoped that the discussion on a forum about a game, in a thread about a tournament winner, could be about something else than the tournament winners looks. I don't see GSL threads be infested by loads of people talking about how cute Nestea is.
Meanwhile DaSakura doesn't seem to take any offense (one who did probably wouldn't had stayed into gaming so long) I can definitly imagine girls who have a lesser confidence their looks get discouraged by a such response in this thread. If you imagine the thread about you winning a cup being about how you look when you have bad confidence in your looks, you wont really try/train to win something, will you?
When writing this I feel like a huge fucking white knight trying to ruin all the fun when none is really getting offended, but really threads like these dissapoint me greatly. It's like when I'm reading about women soccer on a newspapers internet site, and 50% of the comments are about who on the team is the hottest. Except here it's 70% of the comments. Fuck me but I was expecting better of teamliquid.
Tossgirl actually has echoed the same statements she makes in her interview.
I believe there was an interview posted here on TeamLiquid where she says that she doesn't have the stamina of her male counterparts to practice the 12+ hours and she takes losses a bit harder and it hinders her practice.
Of course, this is a sample size of 2, so maybe there will be a girl who has the stamina of male pro-gamers to practice just as much etc. etc.
Seo Ji-Soo [Tossgirl]: Being a progamer, it was disappointing for me to lack stamina and emotion control. Since I lack physical stamina, I can't practice for long hours. Then the skill gap becomes bigger, and I start to lose games. I have the desire to win and compete, but I can't control my emotions since I lose all the time. After losing so many games, I become depressed and wonder if this is really worth doing anymore. I have to deal with these emotions myself, so it becomes very difficult at times.
On August 18 2011 03:44 RaNgeD wrote: Well.. Idra did make tossgirl cry.. So I suppose maybe she is trying to say that most females may put too much of their emotion into the game.
I'm not gonna say DaSakura is wrong with her own interpretion of her capabilities and limits due to emotion or likewise, doing so would be stupid as she obviously knows herself the best (and I don't know her at all except from what I've read in this thread), BUT I think saying that girls cannot compete generally because of emotion is simply put stupid. There is a lot of really good male gamers out there who have had such problems, be it rage (like what has causen Idra great problems even though his rage isn't half as bad as many others) or nervousness (like Puma in sc:bw), and none is gonna say that because of that no male will ever grow to be very good.
Also, if I was a girl and I read this thread I'd not at all feel like ever getting into progaming, as all people seems to comment on is DaSakuras looks. None is mean or anything (they have no reason to be that), but really I hoped that the discussion on a forum about a game, in a thread about a tournament winner, could be about something else than the tournament winners looks. I don't see GSL threads be infested by loads of people talking about how cute Nestea is.
Meanwhile DaSakura doesn't seem to take any offense (one who did probably wouldn't had stayed into gaming so long) I can definitly imagine girls who have a lesser confidence their looks get discouraged by a such response in this thread. If you imagine the thread about you winning a cup being about how you look when you have bad confidence in your looks, you wont really try/train to win something, will you?
When writing this I feel like a huge fucking white knight trying to ruin all the fun when none is really getting offended, but really threads like these dissapoint me greatly. It's like when I'm reading about women soccer on a newspapers internet site, and 50% of the comments are about who on the team is the hottest. Except here it's 70% of the comments. Fuck me but I was expecting better of teamliquid.
I agree with you, mostly with your third paragraph... But, personnaly, I think I'll never be offensed by this kind of comment... I mean, I just don't give any importance about that. You can trust me, I really have no confidance in myself... About my looks as about my skills. I don't think I'm a hot chix, and I really don't think I'm that good at this game. So, girls shouldn't be ''turn off'' because of this kind of comment.
On August 18 2011 03:44 RaNgeD wrote: Well.. Idra did make tossgirl cry.. So I suppose maybe she is trying to say that most females may put too much of their emotion into the game.
Also, if I was a girl and I read this thread I'd not at all feel like ever getting into progaming, as all people seems to comment on is DaSakuras looks. None is mean or anything (they have no reason to be that), but really I hoped that the discussion on a forum about a game, in a thread about a tournament winner, could be about something else than the tournament winners looks. I don't see GSL threads be infested by loads of people talking about how cute Nestea is.
That's because all men aren't gay. This is just how things are. If the opposite was true and gaming was a girls thing and it was a guy in this article claiming how hard it is to be good at gaming then I'm sure we'd see the same thing. They'd probably comment on his looks because they wouldn't normally comment on other girls looks but when an anomaly comes along you can't help but comment.
Gaming is a guy thing for the most part so it only makes sense we get excited down below when the opposite sex rolls in and actually looks decent. These comments will never stop existing, and we must accept that it will never go away such as porn and trolling on the internet, they will be forever there.
Yay, Quebec girls ftw!! I'm happy you won & represent for us girls!
But I'm saddened to see you think girls can't be as good as boys because of emotions. In the beginning I agree my emotions got the best of me *bronze league cheeses* but it didn't take that long for me to get over it. I don't play many 1s but I think I can stand my own and especially in teams. Imo I'm sure you could get over it if you just put your mind to it: it's not about being a girl, it's about realizing its just a game and yeah you can get mad at times but it just makes winning that more exciting, rewarding & fun. Take it or leave it, it's just my point of view.
On August 18 2011 03:44 RaNgeD wrote: Well.. Idra did make tossgirl cry.. So I suppose maybe she is trying to say that most females may put too much of their emotion into the game.
Also, if I was a girl and I read this thread I'd not at all feel like ever getting into progaming, as all people seems to comment on is DaSakuras looks. None is mean or anything (they have no reason to be that), but really I hoped that the discussion on a forum about a game, in a thread about a tournament winner, could be about something else than the tournament winners looks. I don't see GSL threads be infested by loads of people talking about how cute Nestea is.
That's because all men aren't gay. This is just how things are. If the opposite was true and gaming was a girls thing and it was a guy in this article claiming how hard it is to be good at gaming then I'm sure we'd see the same thing. They'd probably comment on his looks because they wouldn't normally comment on other girls looks but when an anomaly comes along you can't help but comment.
Gaming is a guy thing for the most part so it only makes sense we get excited down below when the opposite sex rolls in and actually looks decent. These comments will never stop existing, and we must accept that it will never go away such as porn and trolling on the internet, they will be forever there.
I'm not saying the same thing couldn't have happened if the roles where reversed, but it's simply untrue that it will always exsist and that there is no possibility to change it. I for example am neither gay or asexual, but I still would never post about the looks of a girl in such a topic like this, because first of all I think that it's disrespectful (to not seemingly care about the achievement but only the looks of the achiever), aswell as that I think it will alienate girls who do game and thus decrease the likelyness for more girls to start gaming.
I do though agree with you that if girls where more common in gaming, this wouldn't happen, but I also think, as stated previously, that this does decrease the chance that more girls will instead start gaming seriously.
Also, I think this video is a kind of an interesting watch on the subject:
And okay, it might be slightly exaggerated, but not so much.
Either way I feel that this discussion probably should either not take place at all, or be in another thread, because right now I feel like I'm deraling a thread with quite a lot of off-topic.
So to save myself I'm gonna exit with some on topic, saying something that I would have wished would have been the only thing I felt I needed to write on this topic:
Congratulations to the win DaSakura and good luck in the future, I hope that you can overcome your struggles in booth confidence and any others you might have and keep on posting nice results, the female sc2 world do need more highly skilled profiles such as you.
It's nice everyone's talking about girls and Imma let you finish, but there's a larger more diabolical issue gnawing at the ankles of the community. "Canadians". They are infesting our beloved game and need to be dealt with...
On August 19 2011 02:02 Ssoulle wrote: Productive thread, but it will soon de-rail to how hot she is verus girls being given a chance in E-sports.
Girls have every chance they need in eSport, they just need to compete, there's no limiter and being in the minority is not one, if anything it's more likely to get them on a team provided they can compete at any kind of high level.
Unfortunately, in the end it's up to them to take the initiative and show that they can compete with their male counterparts, the community is not what's holding them back, in the end it comes down to your performance and women just haven't been showing that they can compete at the highest level.
It may be because of the reasons DaSakura listed but quite simply, the top female pro-gamers can't compete with even the lower tier of male pro-gamers right now and the reason isn't because they don't get the opportunity, everyone has the same opportunities once they log in and apply to an open tournament and if anything as we've seen, women can quite easily get picked up by teams even if they don't compare with anyone else on that team skill-wise.
On August 18 2011 03:46 NASAmoose wrote: Sad to see how pessimistic she is about girls in the scene. I think it's just that 99% of players are guys so it's hard, statistically, for a girl to overcome that. There isn't anything inherently making girls worse. The "I lost 2 or 3 games so now I have to pout" is not a gender issue, it's a mindset issue. Happens to me too, and happens to a lot of people. Starcraft is a game of the mind, and it takes a tough toll on the mind. Women are no less apt to deal with it. IdrA's main enemy in the game is his own mind, it's not an uncommon thing at the highest level of play.
I pretty much agree with this, but I think Starcraft not purely a "game of the mind" as a large part of is not concentrated on strategy, (Macro, Micro, etc). But girls should be able to do this as well as guys can, because after all it doesnt take much physical strength to use a keyboard and a mouse.
As their is no physical barrier like in some other sports, i'm pretty sure female pro gamer will sooner or later reach the level of male pro gamer.
Sakura is obviously a very talented player (Love the fact that, as zerg, she said that Idra was "of course" his favorite player btw ! ) I don't understand why you guys blame her for not pushing it harder to GM and international competition, even if she has the skill for it.
It looks like everyone is getting confused: Participating (and winning) a pro-event like she did doesn't mean that she consider herself a pro-gamer. (Someone who lives and make money from gaming) If she takes this step or not is none of our concern, and she doesn't have to "represent" the female gaming scene if she doesn't want to.
Anyway, i'm pretty sure the rise of female pro gaming scene will come from Korea, i can't wait to see what Slayers_Eve is capable of !
Sakura, you did apologize for your bad english, so i'm curious to know if are you from Quebec? (PS: Watched your stream, noticed you don't hotkey your queen and wasted a lot of time for inject doing it manually. Will be glad to see baneling bomb over protoss deathball in the future ! )
has she won or placed highly in any real tournaments that don't arbitrarily restrict themselves to women ?
if so , good luck to her
if not ... why do i care about some random masters player that doesn't enter normal tournaments ( in other words why would you do a "spotlight"?)
winning some women only tournament tells me exactly 0 about her as a player the way interviewing the winner of a "black only" tournament would or of a "muslims only" tournament or "insert any restriction" ect.
On August 19 2011 02:01 Aberu wrote: Girls will never be better as long as girls like this are seen as the best with that kind of attitude.
And I don't mean that in a jerky way, just saying that it sounds very non-competitive to me how she said that.
What I said sounds very non-competitive because I'm not. I don't play sc to be the female icon at sc or to go at MLG, etc. I play because it's fun. I don't wanna waste all of my time to improve my play, so that's why I told that I think I'm not enough in the game to be as good as ''top players''. I don't wanna be as good as them. I don't wanna make sc of my life. That's all. ^^
By the way, thanks for the support everyone. I'll try to stream often. I'll stream 2s too, just for the lol.
@aXa : Yeah, I'm from Quebec, and I started to hotkey my queens. It's soooo easier and sooo faster than manually, hehe.
I don't think girls are getting attention because they are girl, but because they are a minority and thus rise far more curiosity than if they were mainstream-men. It can be lame for them but overall it may be a good thing, because "undeserved" attention will lead this minority to grow faster and become less and less a minority until, maybe, the point where girl pro gamer will be as common as male one.
Si jamais cela t'intéresse, j'ai récemment réécrit un guide ZvZ dans la partie stratégie du forum. Mais j'ai bien vu que tu n'en pas vraiment besoin pour ce match up ah ah. Montre leur qui est le patron
" Excerpt ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. " Why u so sexist? Seriously if there's one certain thing I dislike more than men being sexist it's women being sexist.
I agree with her in most ways but I'd never word it like that and turn it into an impossibility to compete with boys by believing and calling it to be so.
I think there's not much room in our culture of expectations for women to sit by a computer day in and day out. The culture part can be beaten by a strong character who thinks higher than what society wants to turn us into.
Now then rising above that, could involve the loss of friends and the way you're viewed by people around you. We choose to belong mostly from my experience so the road to that loneliness pro gaming can mean for a girl is probably long.
On August 19 2011 02:01 Aberu wrote: Girls will never be better as long as girls like this are seen as the best with that kind of attitude.
And I don't mean that in a jerky way, just saying that it sounds very non-competitive to me how she said that.
Girls will never be better because everything is easier for us. We don't necessarily need to be good at this game to be ''known''. I mean, like 4-5 person asked to me if I wanted to be in their team, and one of them wanted me just because that I'm a girl, just for the publicity. Furthermore, the other day, I created a thread to say that I'll stream and that I'm high master... Like 400 people clicked on this one, so I made another one and I said in the title that I'm a high master girl, and I had 10k view, just to prove that it's so much easier when we're a girl. (By the way, it's my opinion, it's really ok if you think that girls can be as good or even better than player like Idra if they're in the game like he is. ^^)
What I said sounds very non-competitive because I'm not. I don't play sc to be the female icon at sc or to go at MLG, etc. I play because it's fun. I don't wanna waste all of my time to improve my play, so that's why I told that I think I'm not enough in the game to be as good as ''top players''. I don't wanna be as good as them. I don't wanna make sc of my life. That's all. ^^
By the way, thanks for the support everyone. I'll try to stream often. I'll stream 2s too, just for the lol.
@aXa : Yeah, I'm from Quebec, and I started to hotkey my queens. It's soooo easier and sooo faster than manually, hehe.
Insightful post.
Pretty much, there's really nothing holding women back from competing at the highest level other than their own skill, sure there are trolls but there are plenty of white-knights as well. Also, we've seen numerous women get seemingly preferential treatment(which you just confirmed) as well so all it comes down to is skill.
I don't know for sure if women can't be as good as men at Starcraft, and it would be quite unfortunate if that were the case, since it would just be another item on the long list of competitive avenues where men dominate. But whatever the case may be, it's not a question of opportunity or minority or whatever, it comes down to skill and ability.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Hmmmm this interview was so weird. Yea she's hot, yea girls playing video games are awesome. But she seems almost too good for her experience. SC2 is her first RTS but she quotes that since the games beginning she has always been in the highest league. How is that possible? ( not calling her a liar, but that sounds too good to be true) Then she said she only played 200 games season 2 because she's not that addicted. But her ladder mmr is good enough to face Select, one of the worlds best players. (Giant amount of previous RTS experience and a ridiculous amount of hours laddering.) Feels trollish. I mean, if she really is this good, and really only plays that often, and actually was in the top 20% since her first day playing her first RTS, she needs to be placed in a team's house. She would destroy them in no time if her rate of growth is anything like what she's said. If this is all true, damn good job.
LoL, it's really funny that everyone take what I said in a sexist way. Come on, I mean, if I was sexist, I wouldn't play only female tournament. I'm very happy that they exist and not because I don't think that I can't win if there's mens playing, because I think I can.
Girls have more difficulty to deal with their emotion, it's proved. I don't think that mens are god and they never 'depress' after a losing streak, but they deal easier with this than ME. So I think I'll never be as good as mens pro-gamer, because of that. I know I generalized when I said 'girls' instead of 'me', I'm sorry if that offended suchhhh a major part of you.
Along with her controversial in-game “trolling,” Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault, 18, has been making ESL headlines with her Bunny Cup and Iron Lady Championship Cup 3 wins two weekends in a row, beating out previous title-holder Aurora. Hailing all the way from Quebec, DaSakura is one of the most talented and creative Zerg Masters players in the Starcraft II community. This week, ESL.NyxRose had a chance to talk with her about her recent tournament success as well as the story behind her gaming career.
Excerpt ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
ESL Emily 'NyxRose' Rose: Thank you for joining us today, Roxanne. How do you feel now that you are both this week’s Iron Lady Bunny Cup and Championship Cup victor? Roxanne 'DaSakura' Daviault: Well, I feel very proud obviously. The Iron Lady Cup was harder to win, of course because the girls were really better than in the Bunny Cup and because I didn’t find the time to prepare myself, so I was really not sure of my win this time. But finally I won and I’m very happy. ESL.NyxRose: Who would you say gave you the most trouble in the Iron Lady Cup 3? DaSakura: Luway, by far. First, she’s [Protoss], my weakest match-up. And her void ray build was new to me. I didn’t know how to counter that. I lost like two or three games by this build. She has a really good micro with her blink stalkers and her force-fields are sick. I remember my game on Xel’naga when she was at my gold. I was scared [laughs]. Her force-fields were really pro. ESL.NyxRose: I bet she’ll be looking for a rematch in the next Iron Lady Cup! DaSakura: And I will accept her challenge at the next Cup! I’ll be ready this time [smiles]. ESL.NyxRose: In your Bunny Cup Player Statement, you mentioned a little something about “trolling” and “bad mannering.” Could you elaborate on this for readers at home who might not understand what happened? DaSakura: Yeah, I can explain a little. I was “bad manner” when I played against Nattkatt only because she kept repeating that I was a boy because I wasn’t as friendly as the other girls. So, I didn’t want to be manner with her. Nothing crazy. It’s how I am when I play Starcraft even in the ladder. That’s all. ESL.NyxRose: Everyone has their own style – even with a little controversy, right? Look at Idra. Speaking of which, why did you decide to play Zerg?
DaSakura: I really don’t know. I think Zerg units are the nicest. And the first person I watched before I started to play Starcraft II was Idra. So, he influenced me. ESL.NyxRose: Would you say he’s your favorite pro player? DaSakura: Of course he is. I’m a macro player like Idra. ESL.NyxRose: As a Zerg player, what match-ups do you feel most confident against? What about the weakest? DaSakura: So, the match-up I feel most confident against is… I think it’s ZvZ, because I think my late game is good. But I have to work harder on my early build. My weakest is ZvP. I really hate the death-ball. I used to do some kind of all-in build in this match-up, but I don’t like it. I’m a macro player, so I need a better build. I’m actually trying to do some kind of bane bomb on the Protoss army. I don’t know. I’ll watch some [replays]. ESL.NyxRose: Banelings are always fun to use! Can you tell us a little bit about how you got into competitive Starcraft II? DaSakura: I just started to play ladder and I started facing very good players [such] as TT1 and Select. So, I felt like I have a lot of potential to do well in tournaments. ESL.NyxRose: Did you have any previous SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Nope. ESL.NyxRose: That’s awesome. Did you start out in a pretty high league when you first started playing? Or did you start out at the bottom of bronze like me and most other people who just picked up Starcraft II in the past year? DaSakura: I started pretty high. I’ve always been in the highest league, except for the last season because I didn’t play. I haven’t played ladder for a while, but I’m still second, I think. With 700 points, I was 800, but I had a losing streak of eight games.
ESL.NyxRose: How did you get so good so quickly? Most new people don’t start out that highly ranked. Where did those RTS skills come from if not from the first Starcraft? DaSakura: I really don’t know. The only game I really play [besides Starcraft II] is Diablo II, and that’s not really a strategy game. I watch stream every day. I participate in LANs. ESL.NyxRose: How excited are you for Diablo III? DaSakura: Too excited! [I'm excited for] multiplayer, of course. ESL.NyxRose: What class did you play in Diablo II, and what do you plan on playing in Diablo III? DaSakura: I play Bowazon and Shadow Assassin. [In Diablo III] I’ll try the Demon Hunter first, I think. She’s so bad-ass. ESL.NyxRose: So, what advice do you have for other players who want to be good enough to compete? Especially for the newer players who also don’t have any SC1/Brood War experience? DaSakura: Watch their own replays and try to find what mistakes they made, even if they won. And play a lot, obviously. Watching the pro streams is helpful, too. ESL.NyxRose: Considering your own experiences with the Iron Lady tournaments and the Starcraft community, what are your thoughts on being a female gamer in the e-sports industry, in which the majority is made up of men? DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. ESL.NyxRose: Is one of your goals to reach that male competitive level you speak of? DaSakura: Not really. I’m not addicted to this game. I don’t play that much. Last season I played like 200 games, maximum. So, I don’t think I’m enough in the game to reach this level. ESL.NyxRose: If you had the opportunity to play against any pro in the community, who would you pick and why? DaSakura: Nestea, because I think he’s the best Zerg by far. Even though I know I could never beat him, I know I would gain a lot of experience from a player of this level. ESL.NyxRose: Hey, you never know. You got good pretty fast so I bet you could give him a run for his money. What are you up to besides gaming? DaSakura: My boyfriend, poker, PC, movies… That’s all. I’m not a very “cool” girl. I don’t like to go to clubs or go out with friends. I prefer my boyfriend and my computer. ESL.NyxRose: That’s understandable and respectable. I’m a homebody myself. Are you planning on going to university soon? DaSakura: Yeah, I will go to university but not really soon. I have to do my college before. I took a break of one year and I played Starcraft II instead [laughs]. ESL.NyxRose: Should we be expecting you at any live events this year? MLG Raleigh is a little less than two weeks away now. DaSakura: I will not be at the MLG. I will be participating at the Lan ETS in Montreal. ESL.NyxRose: Good luck with that! Would you like to give any shout-outs at this time? DaSakura: I’d like to give a shout-out to my only fan Mura [laughs] and to my boyfriend for the help and the support. ESL.NyxRose: I’m sure you have more fans now that you’re winning all these Iron Lady tournaments. DaSakura: Yeah, probably. I’d like to thank them, too! ESL.NyxRose: And thanks to you for taking the time out to do this interview. We really appreciate it here at ESL Iron Lady! DaSakura: Thanks to you! No problem.
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Honestly i've checked out this iron lady business and basically every girl has this "quote" attached to them and they all say they're the best, or that they have potential to be better, or that they've always been in a high league, or that they've always been good. It sounds like a lot of arrogance right off the spot if you ask me.
Don't get me wrong, I have a girlfriend, a mother, 2 sisters and a sister-in-law, and I love them all dearly, and I have the utmost respect for women in general, but it doesn't really set the right image or tone when they all step in and say they're the best, or always have been really great at the game when we've never even heard of 95% of them before.
However I do look forward to seeing the female side of e-sports grow. One day we may see girl vs boy!
Placing in higher league except GM is not that hard. I consider myself as an average player, mid master, not laddering too much, and i placed S1 Diamond (which was the highest at the time), S2 Master S3 Master. What is so crazy about it ?
On August 19 2011 04:03 aXa wrote: I think sexism should be banhammered on TL.
What do you think about people picking up females on teams to further women in the scene? What about women only tournaments? Technically, I'd call these sexist, but the more important part is whether or not they're actually good for the scene.
It's not quite simple, if women can compete with the top males, they should compete with the top males. We won't know until we see it happen.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
On August 19 2011 03:47 IronManSC wrote: Honestly i've checked out this iron lady business and basically every girl has this "quote" attached to them and they all say they're the best, or that they have potential to be better, or that they've always been in a high league, or that they've always been good. It sounds like a lot of arrogance right off the spot if you ask me.
Don't get me wrong, I have a girlfriend, a mother, 2 sisters and a sister-in-law, and I love them all dearly, and I have the utmost respect for women in general, but it doesn't really set the right image or tone when they all step in and say they're the best, or always have been really great at the game when we've never even heard of 95% of them before.
However I do look forward to seeing the female side of e-sports grow. One day we may see girl vs boy!
Whaaat? which girl has ever sounded arrogant in Iron Lady?? o.O Is it your opinion that them saying the tournament makes them want to get better at the game is making them sound arrogant?
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
Emotion control, that's the key.
You're generalizing for all women, just because YOU don't have "emotion control", doesn't mean the next woman doesn't.. same goes for men.. there's idra and jinro then there's MC and july, for example.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
I know what you mean, maybe I missed her "apology for generalizing."
I'm talking mainly about this:
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft.. ..boys will always be better at this kind of game.
All I'm saying is that anyone can be as good as MC or NesTea or (insert fav progamer).
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a lot and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.If you don't care for the spotlights, its because you are not the target audience for it. Its that simple :D
On August 19 2011 03:49 aXa wrote: Placing in higher league except GM is not that hard. I consider myself as an average player, mid master, not laddering too much, and i placed S1 Diamond (which was the highest at the time), S2 Master S3 Master. What is so crazy about it ?
That's arrogant. Not just anyone can place masters, and the way the leagues are divided, proves this.
There is no way that you can say that anyone, anywhere, can fit into the top 2% of all players in a region.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.
Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else.
As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play.
All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.
Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else.
As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play.
All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already.
The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments.
Keep in mind we have another tournament that offers a chocolate bunny as prize, and another tournament that offers a mousepad. Can you say with a straight face we are really all about the money?
Firstly, i believe that girls can be just as good at sc2, or any video game, as boys. The main reason why boys are normally better, is that there are far more boys than girls in esports. Im nto saying that being a girl handicapps you, but it seems to give the illsuion that your handicapped.
lets say that 99/100 people in a pretend world are born with red hair, and teh other 1/100 is born with blue hair. It is far less liekly for a blue haired person to be at the top, just becuase of the sheer numbers of red haired people. Now take into consideration the blue haired person is not handicapped, just out numbered. So say there were 1000 people in this imaginay world, would it be likely that at the top, there were equall amounts of blue haired people and red haired people? No, most liekely it would be all red hairs, and mabye 1 blue hair in the top 100.
the stats i used arent necesarilly mattching to boys:girls, but they show the general concept. And, in esports, there are alot more boys participating that girls, so the chance of a girl being at the tip top is unlikely. and please stop blaming women for being interviewed and getting unneeded or "undeserved" attention/interviews. its not there fault there being interviewed, if you wanna be mad blame the people interviewing them. Congratulate the person being interviewed for going out on a ledge and making themselves known. mabye not for yall, but for me i would just be mad at her out of jelousy. getting girls involved into esports needs to start at the community level. if in game and on websites, girls are getting called out or made feel unwelcoem, why woudl they come back? Just my 2 $ on the matter.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.
Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else.
As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play.
All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already.
The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments.
It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much.
Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.
Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else.
As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play.
All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already.
The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments.
It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much.
Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing.
I feel I am pretty consistent, as you see tournaments limited to certain regions all the time. When exclusions are set for the most part they have their reasons for setting them. I would agree that this is a problem if there were a lack of open tournaments for everyone to compete in, but its the exact opposite, so a few exclusive tournaments with a driven purpose does not hurt the scene.
Why this thread became a debate about sexist? Just enjoy that DaSakura won that tournament and stop picking every little line on her interview and try to make her look sexist or anything. Nobody knows her and everyone can have their own opinion about 'girls that cannot reach the same level as boys at this game.' It's normal that in certain domain girls will do better than boys and boys better than girls just because their mind work differentely and they are some biological difference. For example, girls will generaly do better in reading and vocabulary and boys in math and logical tests. So please, just enjoy the win of that nice girl and wish her good sucess in the future if that's what she want. ( Especialy with her very nice boyfriend )
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.
Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else.
As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play.
All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already.
The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments.
It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much.
Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing.
I feel I am pretty consistent, as you see tournaments limited to certain regions all the time. When exclusions are set for the most part they have their reasons for setting them. I would agree that this is a problem if there were a lack of open tournaments for everyone to compete in, but its the exact opposite, so a few exclusive tournaments with a driven purpose does not hurt the scene.
Fair enough.
I'd say smaller tournaments aren't an issue simply because of scale(as I said earlier, on principle, I think the best players should win). However, as the prize pool and number of tournaments grows, I think it becomes quite problematic, if women's tournaments can generate even 25% of weekly prizes as open tournaments, I think that's problematic and I would be vehemently against any larger prized tournament that's exclusive for women.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.
Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else.
As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play.
All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already.
The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments.
It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much.
Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing.
I feel I am pretty consistent, as you see tournaments limited to certain regions all the time. When exclusions are set for the most part they have their reasons for setting them. I would agree that this is a problem if there were a lack of open tournaments for everyone to compete in, but its the exact opposite, so a few exclusive tournaments with a driven purpose does not hurt the scene.
Fair enough.
I'd say smaller tournaments aren't an issue simply because of scale(as I said earlier, on principle, I think the best players should win). However, as the prize pool and number of tournaments grows, I think it becomes quite problematic, if women's tournaments can generate even 25% of weekly prizes as open tournaments, I think that's problematic and I would be vehemently against any larger prized tournament that's exclusive for women.
Yes I agree with you as you want the reward the best players in the world with the highest prizes, but I also assure you that we are no where near offering 25% of weekly prizes considering we run once a month. Larger prizes would also give a huge incentive to cheat, and we want to keep that in check as well. Good debate though, hopefully other people saw this debate and learned alot.
Glad to read more about DaSakura. I saw/stalked your Livestream VODs a few weeks ago and was seriously impressed with the level of play. I'm not going to read too much into her attitude just from one interview but for those who haven't seen her play, you should. I don't mean to be rude to anyone else, but it was a step up from the other people I've seen previously competing.
On August 19 2011 03:32 SirGlinG wrote: Why u so sexist? Seriously if there's one certain thing I dislike more than men being sexist it's women being sexist.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.
Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else.
As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play.
All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already.
The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments.
It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much.
Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing.
Not every tournament has the goal of finding the best overall player. I'm sure pharside would admit as much. MLG/GSL/etc. have that goal in mind, but most tournaments don't.
In your ideal situation, there would be no bronze-masters tournaments either nor would there be country-specific tournaments. Well there are, and you're not involved in them nor is your welfare at stake, so you should probably not complain about them.
DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD
So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter.
I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart.
Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all.
XD
She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing.
Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent.
But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical.
Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it.
As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world.
Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else.
As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play.
All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already.
The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments.
It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much.
Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing.
Not every tournament has the goal of finding the best overall player. I'm sure pharside would admit as much. MLG/GSL/etc. have that goal in mind, but most tournaments don't.
In your ideal situation, there would be no bronze-masters tournaments either nor would there be country-specific tournaments. Well there are, and you're not involved in them nor is your welfare at stake, so you should probably not complain about them.
And... I don't?
I pretty much said that in my post, at this small scale it's not problematic.
Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
But doesn't everyone do the same? Not all men are machines. We rage also (or maybe I'm just pathetic).
Nope, I just lost 3 games in a row a few hours ago and I haven't even thought about playing since.
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She doesn't seem really excited about the game and improving herself, and she has a bad attitude about women in sc2. Seems like she came into the game doing pretty well and didn't care to put the time into it to really improve (200 games a season, even though taking off of school for a year to play? wut?).
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