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Whenever you hit post in this thread, think long and hard. Are you showing the proper amount of respect? If that is not the case, do not hit the post button.
SlayerS_Jessica
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)5 Posts
July 21 2011 20:01 GMT
#1
Hello. I am SlayerS_Jessica.

I would like to first say that it's such a pity for SlayerS and Lim Yohwan to have had bad words directed at them just because of certain material that Mr Haeun_Cielu decided to personally post on TL.
That is why I wanted to tell you the exact context for the things that Haeun_Cielu decided to post without even saying what happened before and after them.

Firstly, as you are all aware, the incident's origin is the appearance of the player SlayerS_Eve.
Many people are brushing her off as insignificant because she is in the Gold League.
(She is Diamond)

Please, think for a minute.
It has been less than a month since Eve joined the team. She was not selected through the pro-gamer casting system, but she is someone I selected for the team to help start having female competitors in Starcraft 2, after seeing that she had sufficient potential.
That potential is shown in the fact that she was the champion of the Female League.
You might brush off the Female League as being insignificant because the players are Silvers and Golds
but in reality, it is no mean feat for a female to reach Master level while laddering against males.
It is difficult for the average male player, too.
This is like the first steps being taken by a toddler, so it's inevitable that the starting level is low.
But if she trains and receives training, I believe that she will achieve the match ability to at least give you all entertaining matches to watch.
That is why I selected her.

She was not inducted so that she would achieve incredible feats in individual leagues like the GSL.
She is here to make the game more entertaining and to show that unlike in Starcraft 1, female players can easily do well in Starcraft 2.
If you condemn her to be unworthy for not becoming a Master in under a month, how would female players anywhere ever even attempt to make it in Starcraft?
The team SlayerS is a professional team.
I believe she should be called a pro-gamer as long as she is a member of the team, because despite her skill level being that of an amateur, it would not be right for a team member to differentiate each other as "the amateur" or "the professional".
I hope that you will be able to think of her more generously and watch over her quietly so that she may be able to enjoy playing Starcraft 2.

Haeun_Cielu used twitter to put together our my tweets and those of commentator Ahn Junyoung (out of context) to imply that the commentator had criticised my decision to show Eve during GSL.
He was manipulative, driving the mob mentality for his own benefit, and used banmal [informal speech used to social equals and inferiors, never used for someone older than oneself] to ridicule me for "not being able to speak English". I thought that as an adult, I should tell a high-school girl to remember his manners, which he then called it a "keyboard battle" and then used irritating language saying things like I "had fled twitter".
Having stumbled across this, I warned him in advance, in case he made the mistake of going too far, that current Korean laws on cybercrime allow punishment for those that circulate rumors about another person, whether the rumor is true or not.
rS, and is trying to spread his story everywhere.

I have never told this person that I would sue him.

Perhaps he thinks he is being sued because he saw his tweet on a page at the top of the pile of documents prepared in relation to the legal action.

Actually, legal procedure requires that any submitted evidence must include all surrounding events or contributing incidents occurring at the time, which is why all materials must be submitted.

Haeun_Cielu, that top page you saw was the first page of results given at the time when "김가연" was searched on twitter.

If he kept tweeting it, then of course wouldn't it be inevitable that he would keep coming up on the first page?

The point is that it was just material that I had to submit as part of evidence for the surrounding environment at the time for legal action. And having seen this, Haeun_Cielu, like how a thief feels when cornered, claimed that I was suing him and that all he did was to criticize SlayerS.

And he must have believed that it was better to spread this on TL instead of trying to do it in Korea.

(He says that someone on TL independently posted his claims. I find this hard to believe.)

And with TL unaware of his actual situation or what he had actually done, he managed to create a critical atmosphere that called all of it an overreaction.

Thanks to him, I am receiving hatemail from foreigners on my twitter, too.
This saddens me.

In Korea, there are very dark consequences due to our online culture.

Many celebrities are persecuted with hateful words without reason and there are incidents such as the false controversy over Tablo's educational record at Stanford.

Because of all this, there are so many celebrities that fall victim to depression and some that choose to take their own lives.

Perhaps, due to cultural differences, it may not feel so real but for Korean society, it is such a big problem.

It is impossible to know what it feels to be persecuted online until you have been a victim.

This case is a sexual crime.

They photoshopped a young female onto a pornography actress.

They humiliated her.

They wrote profanities and sexist remarks non-stop...

There are things that they are doing that you couldn't even imagine.

I am the manager of SlayerS.
I must protect our players.

I was able to ignore hateful messages during all this time that I have been a celebrity.

After all, all it took was just me to endure it and swallow the insults.

But Eve is different.
With Eve, her parents and even those who care about her have been hurt.

The only thing she has ever done, is to have been seen on television as a member of SlayerS.

She has never done something that affected society. She has never harmed anyone either.

No longer shall I stand on the sidelines and watch the bloodless murder committed by those sending messages of hate through a messageboard that, through the misguided Korean Internet culture secures them some anonymity.

To those that call this an overreaction, I ask one question.

If someone in your family was the victim of cyberbullying, would you tell them to stop overreacting?

Persistent online bullies are not "users of the internet" but "serious cyber criminals that call for justice".

DC Inside is a place that is place where such schizophrenic hate messengers reside online.

Lim Yohwan is a man who has always walked together with e-Sports in Korea.
His ability may not be at the level it was at his prime, but he is still full of passion
and for the sake of the fans that still cheer for him, he refuses to put down his mouse.

That passion alone has led him to give up all of the joys of life to do nothing but play the game to make up for the shortfall in his ability.

But he is hurt so many times every day by the bullies that abuse him like a punchbag, refusing him the courtesy that he deserves as a pioneer, instead calling him a has-been, a reject, telling him to retire and the like.

The thing that I had always been thankful for from TL was that even if his performances were lacking, you were always there with us to cheer him on together.

Because you became the force from which he could take strength.

But I am hurt that even some among you would attack us without the full evidence.

This lawsuit will progress as planned.

Whenever they are sued, Korean cyberbullies always come to the police station in tears and beg for forgiveness.

But that is always the limit to what they do.

They never stop their attacks.


That is why I accept that they are criminal and want them to receive their punishment as criminals.
You don't have to hit someone for it to be assault.

These people are a menace that launch assaults against people in cyberspace and even commit murder.


Haeun_Cielu deleted the tweets that he had sent me saying that he had jumped to a false conclusion and his tweets of apology.

I, too, have apologized for losing my temper and we have reconciled.

I have now shown to you everything that has been on my mind with sincere honesty.

If you still wish to call it an overreaction,

There is nothing more that I can say you.


I am grateful to those who read this long message.
I will take the sluggish performance of SlayerS as being the result of my own shortcomings as a manager, and will try to work even harder.

Thank you. - Jessica -
Starcraht2 Progame Team SlayerS
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
July 21 2011 20:03 GMT
#2
Wow, Amazing that you came here and posted this.
I give eve all my support, it must be hard beign the first sc2 pro female gamer,a nd i applaud you in defending your player (regardless of skill, gender, whatever) They are still your team member, and likely considered part of your family.

Keep up the good work
Slaptoast
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada134 Posts
July 21 2011 20:04 GMT
#3
Hope everything turns out allright! Korean internet people are scary D:
Flash! Aaaahhhhh!….He'll kill every one of us!
JordanPoC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
July 21 2011 20:04 GMT
#4
I'm not gonna disagree with you Jessica. Harsh words coming from the community over the simple thought of a female progamer on such a respectable team. Keep doing a good job of protecting your players.

SlayerS fightiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
July 21 2011 20:04 GMT
#5
Thanks for giving us such detailed insight! Hopefully this will conclude this sad episode.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 21 2011 20:05 GMT
#6
We support you and SlayerS.

People are always going to be hating on the internet - don't think that the community stands with them! Lim Yohwan is a hero to me, and I support him and all of SlayerS.

SlayerS_EvE fighting!
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Kaz04
Profile Joined September 2010
United States53 Posts
July 21 2011 20:06 GMT
#7
Hopefully this will stop the crap that is floating around because of this... Thank you for coming forward Jessica! You werent in the wrong dont worry!
HappyMan
Profile Joined June 2010
United States129 Posts
July 21 2011 20:07 GMT
#8
Well said. The depths to which people will stoop on the internet is astonishing... and i'm embarassed that some of us here on TL would jump to conclusions and join in the hatred.

Hopefully this puts a stop to all the drama once and for all.
Treva
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States533 Posts
July 21 2011 20:07 GMT
#9
While hate is going to happen the amount of hate, how the hate was expressed and the reason the hate was expressed was truly on a different level from the sounds of these stories. The people involved should be ashamed and if I could apologize for them I would. I personally wish you, your team and Eve great success in the future.
Live it up.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
July 21 2011 20:09 GMT
#10
great response.. hope slayers and boxer can rebound. and i hope we can see a game of eve's
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Pulzlulz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany412 Posts
July 21 2011 20:10 GMT
#11
SlayerS fighting!
Yggydraseal
Profile Joined April 2011
United States285 Posts
July 21 2011 20:11 GMT
#12
As said previously, much thanks for coming out with this. Hopefully the unnecessary hate will falter. SlayerS taking the win at MLG!
"The greatest athletes of all time... Michael Jordan, Roger Federer, and SlayerSBoxer." - Artosis
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
July 21 2011 20:11 GMT
#13
That was incredibly well written.

I'm sorry to see the situation that has transpired with Slayers_EvE but I think it's wonderful what you're doing for e-sports.

Most of TL supports you and SlayerS, and we'll continue to do so.

SlayerS Fighting!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
July 21 2011 20:11 GMT
#14
Yes, I would agree with you completely. The reaction against eve was completely disgusting

However, some of the tweets that you print screened were not Bad but mainly constructive. I think that these were caught up in your "sweep" and I think that was rather unfair on these people.
Postman
Profile Joined July 2010
United States269 Posts
July 21 2011 20:12 GMT
#15
Bloodless murder? Why are you being so dramatic? What these people are doing is wrong, but it's certainly not akin to murder of any kind.

I hope that this gets settled and the flaming stops, almost everyone on TL supports SlayerS and every member of it.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 21 2011 20:12 GMT
#16
Amazing to see that you care about foreigners opinions so much <3
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
July 21 2011 20:12 GMT
#17
True words spoken

I think you have every right to prosecute those who seek to harm others over the internet, things are out of control really. Sometimes I wonder If they even realize there are real people behind every gamer/id.

I'm looking forward to see great games by EvE and the SlayerS team
VirtuallyJesse
Profile Joined February 2011
United States398 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 20:15:28
July 21 2011 20:13 GMT
#18
Thank you for explaining, but I am afraid some people will never understand because of the culture differences. I find the fact that people can be held accountable for continuous insulting and bullying online in Korea a brilliant thing. I wish you support and the best of luck to SlayerS as a whole, but I feel your efforts are in vain. You do not need to explain anything to your haters, their minds wont change. ~_~ But, it does show how much you care about foreigner opinion and TL, for that, ♥.
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
July 21 2011 20:13 GMT
#19
T_T This post is so sad, to have it come to this extent. I'm proud of the aspirations of the SlayerS team, to already have created such a great team and still want to strive for continued excellence in new fields.

I hope you succeed in your endeavors SlayerS_Jessica and that you and your team will continue to prosper.

SlayerS hwaiting!
Writer@joonjoewong
Exclamator
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Korea (North)27 Posts
July 21 2011 20:13 GMT
#20
The SC2 scene is being treated as some sort of soap opera. I am sick of it.

Jessica, I think you might be suffering from schizophrenia.


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