EPTedit: WK 2 to be clear.
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 08 2014 04:22 Sabu113 wrote: 1-15 in PL so far. All conquering protoss... not so all conquering when matches are played. Even the Bo1s commonly thought to favor toss. Quick, buff the Oracle again! | ||
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w3c.TruE
Czech Republic1055 Posts
Nobody is saying Protoss is underpowered or something... But i guess, you guys will be complaining even if Protoss would have winrate like 10%. We just can´t have players in finals of any bigger tournament, becouse if we have, Protoss is clearly IMBA. Sigh. | ||
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TheManInBlack
Nigeria266 Posts
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
I.E. We will see a ton of matches like Maru vs Dear in WCS and like TvP in the first day of PL........ Can someone tell me why casters say "Good Storms"? Honestly if it was Protoss microing in a way to cause Bio to clump up and Kiting and storming and dropping 2 bases at once and pressing the advantage on Terrans third while storming and kiting I'd say DANNNGGGGGGG GOOD STORMS........... but honestly it should be oh crap Terran didn't split or Storm dodge but identifying a clump of Marines or Marauder is something an infant could do but I just think its an easy oversight to think or see the visual aspect of a Storm or FB and say OOOOooooooOOOOOO AHHHHHHHH but its just T click or F click .... I don't know maybe Protoss can help me identify why people say Good storms when its the Only battle, Protoss just A moved and T clicked while Terran is Splitting / Kiting , Emping, Sniping, focus firing vikings just to barely break even in the engagement...... | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12318 Posts
On January 08 2014 06:11 Pirfiktshon wrote: Can someone tell me why casters say "Good Storms"? Honestly if it was Protoss microing in a way to cause Bio to clump up and Kiting and storming and dropping 2 bases at once and pressing the advantage on Terrans third while storming and kiting I'd say DANNNGGGGGGG GOOD STORMS........... but honestly it should be oh crap Terran didn't split or Storm dodge but identifying a clump of Marines or Marauder is something an infant could do but I just think its an easy oversight to think or see the visual aspect of a Storm or FB and say OOOOooooooOOOOOO AHHHHHHHH but its just T click or F click .... I don't know maybe Protoss can help me identify why people say Good storms when its the Only battle, Protoss just A moved and T clicked while Terran is Splitting / Kiting , Emping, Sniping, focus firing vikings just to barely break even in the engagement...... Most of the time the casters say good storm because they're supposed to say good things about the players, so they just see a storm and assume it's going to be good. But yeah, there is such a thing as a good storm, I'm not sure how you could not see that. JYP vs Fantasy on that awful Korhal map featured some of those. Sora vs Flash did as well at some (infamous) point :p | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
It's like not celebrating a goal in soccer just because the goalie messed up an easy save. It's still a goal. At the end of the day, if your opponent f*cks up and you capitalize, that's good play on your part. On January 08 2014 06:11 Pirfiktshon wrote: Protoss just A moved and T clicked while Terran is Splitting / Kiting , Emping, Sniping, focus firing vikings just to barely break even in the engagement...... Your lack of understanding of how protoss and TvP engagements work is astonishing tbh It doesn't surprise me why some of you QQ about losing to protoss so much if this is how you think things actually work lol Unless you were over-exagerating for effect, in which case, ok lol Also I wouldn't look too much into the proleague stats, some of those Toss builds have been like wtfff... But it's nice to know people aren't losing to "wtf" builds that should never work anymore due to better scouting and proper responses. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On January 08 2014 06:32 ffadicted wrote: They say good storms because they were good and effective storms? lol It's like not celebrating a goal in soccer just because the goalie messed up an easy save. It's still a goal. At the end of the day, if your opponent f*cks up and you capitalize, that's good play on your part. Your lack of understanding of how protoss and TvP engagements work is astonishing tbh It doesn't surprise me why some of you QQ about losing to protoss so much if this is how you think things actually work lol Unless you were over-exagerating for effect, in which case, ok lol Also I wouldn't look too much into the proleague stats, some of those Toss builds have been like wtfff... But it's nice to know people aren't losing to "wtf" builds that should never work anymore due to better scouting and proper responses. If Toss micro is more complicated than that, then list why and what they have to do.. If not dont say anything at all, As it is right now, I have never seen someone who plays as Toss counter the argument that Toss requires little battle micro by telling why they do; they just always say something like "you have no idea what you're talking about" and leave it at that, which obviously proves nothing... | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
You need to - Place zealots in front of the army - Blink near vikings and target fire them - Micro back colossi - Cast guardian shield and possibly FF - Cast Time Warp (again) - Feedback ghosts - Target archons on clumps of marines Did I miss anything? | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On January 08 2014 04:22 Sabu113 wrote: 1-15 in PL so far. All conquering protoss... not so all conquering when matches are played. Even the Bo1s commonly thought to favor toss. Well I haven't checked the stats for all the games..but I did watch the first match and I know Rain and Parting won..so you're already wrong.. Forgive me at this point if I don't believe a word you say.. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On January 08 2014 09:30 Ghanburighan wrote: What they say is: You need to - Place zealots in front of the army - Blink near vikings and target fire them - Micro back colossi - Cast guardian shield and possibly FF - Cast Time Warp (again) - Feedback ghosts - Target archons on clumps of marines Did I miss anything? Well half of these are things you do before the battle (fb, zealots in front, blinks, timewarp). Also, theres really no reason to target fire with archons, its just wasted apm since storms will most likely kill all marines anyways. Stalkers will autotarget vikings for the most part bc theyre going to be the first enemy they run across in an a-move scenario (the bio will have to kite or just lose to zealots). And microing back a collosi isnt taxing at all seeing how the unit is so damn easy to click on. And come on, who uses sentries anymore, especially late game?? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 08 2014 09:53 Survivor61316 wrote: Well half of these are things you do before the battle (fb, zealots in front, blinks, timewarp). Also, theres really no reason to target fire with archons, its just wasted apm since storms will most likely kill all marines anyways. Stalkers will autotarget vikings for the most part bc theyre going to be the first enemy they run across in an a-move scenario (the bio will have to kite or just lose to zealots). And microing back a collosi isnt taxing at all seeing how the unit is so damn easy to click on. And come on, who uses sentries anymore, especially late game?? Wrong. Kinda funny that you think that blink/target fire with stalkers on Vikings which are attacking Colossi during the engagements is something you do before battle rather than during. What part is the battle then? When one side is cleaning up the stragglers? Although based on the comments you made here about all the stuff that "so easy for Protoss" if you're suiciding Vikings into an unengaged Protoss army to try and kill Colossi (i.e. meaning the blink/target fire stuff is before the battle). Or are suiciding all of your Ghosts in to try and EMP/Snipe rather than keeping a few back for the engagement itself. Or are a-moving your army into a well ordered Protoss army to the point your Vikings fly right over the top of his stalkers. Well...I think I just found some of your TvP problems. Also to throw a few more on the list: - Target fire Colossi. Target fire Immortals. - Zealots to front yes, but that's forgetting the the optimal layering as follows: Archons, Immortals + Stalkers, Colossi. As well as maneuvering for effect on your HTs. - Adjust sentry positioning for Guardian Shield coverage. Oh and: - Look away from the battle to warp more stuff in or you can flat out die if you lose the engagement. Easy to forget that one. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
Hahahaha! Movespeed buff to 5 right? Or can we restore that ridiculous phase out ability? edit: Also went and checked the source. To the person doubting, Rain won a PvP. It's a bit silly but I couldn't resist when apparently the sky was falling. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On January 08 2014 10:14 -Celestial- wrote: Wrong. Kinda funny that you think that blink/target fire with stalkers on Vikings which are attacking Colossi during the engagements is something you do before battle rather than during. What part is the battle then? When one side is cleaning up the stragglers? Although based on the comments you made here about all the stuff that "so easy for Protoss" if you're suiciding Vikings into an unengaged Protoss army to try and kill Colossi (i.e. meaning the blink/target fire stuff is before the battle). Or are suiciding all of your Ghosts in to try and EMP/Snipe rather than keeping a few back for the engagement itself. Or are a-moving your army into a well ordered Protoss army to the point your Vikings fly right over the top of his stalkers. Well...I think I just found some of your TvP problems. Also to throw a few more on the list: - Target fire Colossi. Target fire Immortals. - Zealots to front yes, but that's forgetting the the optimal layering as follows: Archons, Immortals + Stalkers, Colossi. As well as maneuvering for effect on your HTs. - Adjust sentry positioning for Guardian Shield coverage. Oh and: - Look away from the battle to warp more stuff in or you can flat out die if you lose the engagement. Easy to forget that one. Please don't act like Protoss is seriously ordering their army. You attack, blink stalkers away to hit vikings, meanwhile, Charge and the Archon speed manouver the army for you. And also, it is not cool to act like warp in is a disadvantage. If it takes longer than a second or 2 to z shift clickclickclick or you have to look very far away it is your fault, try 5aaaaaadddddd7vv WHILE dodging storms and kite auto-move Archon/Zealot. In an optimal situation, yes, Protoss could be doing those things to get tiny tiny tiny little advantages. However, Toss doesn't have to because SC2s great pathing allow Archon Zealot to attack bio near optimally after Stalkers have blunk away. Toss micro: BLink and preferably targetfire stalkers, you probably had the timewarps down beforehand, pull away all collosi Only if you screwed up on that, slick storms. Terrans usually EMP before the fight, just as viking position. When the fight starts, Terran has to target the vikings, perhaps EMP a few more times, after that, it is only kiting/splitting/Storm dodging, mostly there is no macro going on just because you cant. Terran has more intensive micro to do as the battle is raging, IMO, but you are both exaggerating how much you 'do', of which you both know you probably don;'t even do half. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On January 08 2014 10:16 Sabu113 wrote: Hahahaha! Movespeed buff to 5 right? Or can we restore that ridiculous phase out ability? edit: Also went and checked the source. To the person doubting, Rain won a PvP. It's a bit silly but I couldn't resist when apparently the sky was falling. Rain won a PvT and Parting won a PvZ..again, get your facts straight. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On January 08 2014 10:14 -Celestial- wrote: Wrong. Kinda funny that you think that blink/target fire with stalkers on Vikings which are attacking Colossi during the engagements is something you do before battle rather than during. What part is the battle then? When one side is cleaning up the stragglers? Although based on the comments you made here about all the stuff that "so easy for Protoss" if you're suiciding Vikings into an unengaged Protoss army to try and kill Colossi (i.e. meaning the blink/target fire stuff is before the battle). Or are suiciding all of your Ghosts in to try and EMP/Snipe rather than keeping a few back for the engagement itself. Or are a-moving your army into a well ordered Protoss army to the point your Vikings fly right over the top of his stalkers. Well...I think I just found some of your TvP problems. Also to throw a few more on the list: - Target fire Colossi. Target fire Immortals. - Zealots to front yes, but that's forgetting the the optimal layering as follows: Archons, Immortals + Stalkers, Colossi. As well as maneuvering for effect on your HTs. - Adjust sentry positioning for Guardian Shield coverage. Oh and: - Look away from the battle to warp more stuff in or you can flat out die if you lose the engagement. Easy to forget that one. Lmao ok man, you think whatever you want. You're clearly so delusional, pointing out why will have no effect, bc logic clearly isn't playing a huge part in your argument. Have a good day though. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
But what's the point of arguing really lol | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On January 08 2014 10:32 Survivor61316 wrote: Rain won a PvT and Parting won a PvZ..again, get your facts straight. also Jila beat soulkey with proxy 1gate+cannon rush. (starting to think this guy is just an idiot) edit: Rain vs Dream PartingG vs DRG Squirtle vs Terror Sora vs Flash Stats vs hydra Zest vs Bbyong Trap vs Shine YongHwa vs keen Jila vs Soulkey Parting vs Terror These are the protoss wins. Soo vs Super Byul vs Remember // vs creator Solar vs sos Maru vs stork rogue vs trend Solar vs sos TY vs herO Sniper vs squirtle TY vs sos cure vs zest Maru vs stats Maru vs zest roro vs sora Sniper vs Jila Keen vs creator Byul vs rain Soo vs Trap Soulkey vs squirtle Maru vs hero Rogue vs trust Flash vs emotion Roro vs stats Solar vs zest Protoss is currently 10-23. Lie more pls. | ||
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