EPTDesignated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 848
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Frex
Finland888 Posts
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
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MrLightning
306 Posts
On December 19 2013 10:26 Survivor61316 wrote: He just did a two base blink stalker build..with obs and a msc for some reason..against a gm terran who had stim and medivacs and a bunker being repaired by 6 scvs..and just crushed the terran Don't worry about it, this stupendous amount of Terran bitching will force Blizzard to remove Protoss from the game and severely nerf Zerg. But only after the holidays. Meaning, nothing will change for another 4 months... so enjoy blink stalkers while they last cause I guarantee their permanent absence come 2014. | ||
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RampancyTW
United States577 Posts
On December 19 2013 10:26 Survivor61316 wrote: I'd have to see a replay of this. I don't buy that a Terran that had all of that already set up (implying a delayed all-in) could lose to stalkers without some sort of glaring macro mistake or just utter sacrifice of production buildings for faster tech/upgrades. And I definitely don't trust you as an unbiased reporter.He just did a two base blink stalker build..with obs and a msc for some reason..against a gm terran who had stim and medivacs and a bunker being repaired by 6 scvs..and just crushed the terran | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On December 19 2013 10:40 RampancyTW wrote: I'd have to see a replay of this. I don't buy that a Terran that had all of that already set up (implying a delayed all-in) could lose to stalkers without some sort of glaring macro mistake or just utter sacrifice of production buildings for faster tech/upgrades. And I definitely don't trust you as an unbiased reporter. I literally just watched it on his stream...not 30 minutes ago now. There wont be any replays; it was a stream. Demu threw a timewarp on the ramp, used the time it bought to kill the bunker on the low ground, and then just kept blinking back as stalkers got in the yellow. It wasnt an all in either, thats the problem. It was an aggressive macro build (an oxymoron if I've ever heard one). I'm pretty sure he was on a 12 "l" barcode if you want to go look at the builds on battlenet. And why would I just come on here and lie? How cynical do you have to be assume someone would come onto a forum, that in the end will have no influence on the blizzard balance team's decision making process, and just make shit up? Kinda sad.. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
There's a problem with the matchup, but this thread has become cluttered with complete shit and nothing at all constructive in the last few days. | ||
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mangofrancesco
46 Posts
On December 19 2013 11:00 Wombat_NI wrote: Do you make posts on anything other than whining about Protoss or have I just missed them? There's a problem with the matchup, but this thread has become cluttered with complete shit and nothing at all constructive in the last few days. People have been bitching and whining about Protoss even back when they weren't winning much tourneys, it's a bit sad really but not surprising as well... | ||
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Hider
Denmark9442 Posts
Btw it was Neeb he played against. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
Even though your reason for asking is completely transparent..yes I have made a post regarding the widow mine nerf going too far in TvZ, However, I do mostly post my concerns about balance in TvP. Thats only because I dont see any other major problems with the game, and dont see a need to make shit up just to post something different than what everyone else is also concerned about... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
I've probably made more posts than any non-Terran here suggesting nerfs and redesigns to Protoss anyway. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
And good for you Mr. Self-Righteous | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On December 19 2013 11:00 Wombat_NI wrote: Do you make posts on anything other than whining about Protoss or have I just missed them? There's a problem with the matchup, but this thread has become cluttered with complete shit and nothing at all constructive in the last few days. Here's the problem with being constructive. What sort of feedback is Blizzard looking for? What the magic number is for how much damage the Oracle's beam should do? The magic number for how fast its movement speed should be? All right, bump its pricetag up by 100 gas and revert its speed to pre-patch. There's absolutely no reason such a gimmicky unit should be a macro opening. None whatsoever. If it has a chance of ending the game outright, it should have a significant drawback. But I haven't said anything here that hasn't been said before. I also haven't made it a non-shitty unit, all I did was make it not quite so shitty as it is right now. It's still a dumb, one-dimensional A-move unit that emphasizes Protoss's non-standard play. So what sort of feedback would be constructive? How to make it a solid macro unit? How about how to fix the MSC so it doesn't completely shut down Terran aggression? How about preventing Blink Stalker all-in from being so low risk, low reward? Should I suggest how to redesign the Colossus while I'm at it, so it doesn't encourage the same stupid deathball A-move play that we've been looking at for three years? Should I provide suggestions on how to redesign warp in so that it encourages positional play and micro instead of deathballs and the worst mirror (or any, for that matter) MU in the game? Redesign Immortals not to completely shut down mech play? What sort of feedback do you figure would be useful to Blizzard? I think they've heard it all before. I think they know what the problems and the solutions are. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
Other people do the work as it is, Lalush on air units recently being a prime example. The suggestions are there, pay ONE guy to trawl through and bring it to the dev team. You've got here, their own forums and r/Starcraft, enough on there. (Also that rant post wasn't really aimed at you btw) | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 19 2013 11:00 Wombat_NI wrote: Do you make posts on anything other than whining about Protoss or have I just missed them? There's a problem with the matchup, but this thread has become cluttered with complete shit and nothing at all constructive in the last few days. Most of the last few pages is DinoToss try to explain why Protoss having 'macro' builds that can outright win games if not scouted or prepared for is ok. One of the main issues with Protoss early game is the risk reward. We have already cover the oracle builds so let's look at blink. Blink all-ins have been here since WoL, so why is it an issue now? Because the protoss doesn't have to commit if they see enough defenses and can transition out. While the terran has no idea if the protoss is warping in more stalkers or they have transition. So they are forced to keep building units. Once they have enough units, they can push the protoss back. But the protoss just blinks away and goes back to their base where they already have enough units to defend. These high reward builds (outright win games if terran doesn't have enough bunkers/pulled SCVs/well split units) should have some downside if they are scouted. Imagine if a mine drop or hellion drop got scouted early, the terran is behind. One thing that would increase the risk would be lower the sight range of the MsC, with the MsC sight range, they can basically control the ramp on most maps while they can choose to blink into the main or focus down the bunk in front. So even if the terran has good unit distribution, they will lose some SCVs/bunkers/marines. If their unit distribution is poor, it just snowballs and they win outright. Time warp is also a big issue, its AoE is so big for that stage in the game. It nullifies SCVs pulled to defend while taking out a big chunk of the terrans bio. I don't think time warp is needed that early in the game in any of the 3 match ups. Maybe they can consider putting it as a low cost 50/50 reseach tech at templar archives. | ||
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Phoenix2003
126 Posts
Only when they're getting their 70% win rates vs.(the inferior) P race they believe their entitled to will theses bitches stop whining. Or I suppose we could just put all T players on a ship and hurl towards the sun. User was banned for this post. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On December 19 2013 12:29 Phoenix2003 wrote: I wish these scumbag T players would quit the game or life already.(like some have already threaten to do) Starcraft would be so much better off without their superiority complexes and entitlement attitudes. Only when they're getting their 70% win rates vs.(the inferior) P race they believe their entitled to will theses bitches stop whining. Or I suppose we could just put all T players on a ship and hurl towards the sun. User was banned for this post. I know you can't answer, but why do you figure Terrans bitch about Protoss and not Zerg? The winrates are nearly identical. Food for thought while you take your timeout. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
When does S1 WCS start anyway? I was thinking that this so-called off season would be the perfect time to try some even more drastic balance and design changes. Feels like Blizzard is missing a golden opportunity here, or maybe they are about to do that in the coming weeks. | ||
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