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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:16 Rhaegal wrote: June 50% TvZ = buff zerg? TvZ was 50% before the Queen buff in wings. Buffing a race when the matchup is statistically balanced is stupid, I don't think Blizzard will make the same mistake twice. they already did, it's called the MSC | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:16 Rhaegal wrote: June 50% TvZ = buff zerg? TvZ was 50% before the Queen buff in wings. Buffing a race when the matchup is statistically balanced is stupid, I don't think Blizzard will make the same mistake twice. Yeah but its going to happen eventually man. Its all innovations fault too. I'm just hoping its a zerg buff rather than terran nerf, since it might open up more options in the match up. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:16 Rhaegal wrote: The game is clearly Terran-favoured in theory. Terrans just haven't been smart enough to exploit it yet, and that probably has to do with the demographics. June 50% TvZ = buff zerg? TvZ was 50% before the Queen buff in wings. Buffing a race when the matchup is statistically balanced is stupid, I don't think Blizzard will make the same mistake twice. I can't imagine Protoss being handed the best turtling powers in the game and an unbeatable deathball that gives them a free win if they can tech to it...and not actually using it. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
 ...+ Show Spoiler +Why can't innovation and maru just win? Did the zergs deserve the win? | ||
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:16 Rhaegal wrote: June 50% TvZ = buff zerg? TvZ was 50% before the Queen buff in wings. Buffing a race when the matchup is statistically balanced is stupid, I don't think Blizzard will make the same mistake twice. source? | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:20 GreenGringo wrote: The game is clearly Terran-favoured in theory. Terrans just haven't been smart enough to exploit it yet, and that probably has to do with the demographics. I can't imagine Protoss being handed the best turtling powers in the game and an unbeatable deathball that gives them a free win if they can tech to it...and not actually using it. Seriously dude? This trolling is starting to get repetitive. I mean, I could talk about protoss being a no-skill all in poker theory race, but I'd get banned so I won't | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
this is widely known... http://imgur.com/a/5uKDQ | ||
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
this is 2012, he means june 2013... | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
my mistake, i didn't know we were still collecting data for wings of liberty winrates in 2013, please read his post | ||
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:26 c0sm0naut wrote: my mistake, i didn't know we were still collecting data for wings of liberty winrates in 2013, please read his post guess you should read it. he compares the 50% winrate in june 2013 with the 50% in WoL before queen patch and says dont make the same mistake twice. so i asked for his source for the 50% winrate since theres a google spreadsheet that suggests it was 50% in june but is 56% T favored in july and aligulac (or however its spelled  ) which says TvZ was T favored for all of HOTS. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:20 GreenGringo wrote: The game is clearly Terran-favoured in theory. Terrans just haven't been smart enough to exploit it yet, and that probably has to do with the demographics. I can't imagine Protoss being handed the best turtling powers in the game and an unbeatable deathball that gives them a free win if they can tech to it...and not actually using it. Your back here again? Didn't your whole Avilo argument get debunked, someone informing you that it is Major's smurf. I want to see this unbeatable deathball from Terran and I want to know how Terran is supposed to get to it without dying. What are you even talking about lol. And for the love of god please don't tell me you are suggesting mech in TvP. | ||
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:35 c0sm0naut wrote: No, you just typed "source?" And expected him to read your mind on which number you wanted. Aligulac is not the finial word on stats, and 56%, regardless is not enough to justify a nerf to a core Terran unit two weeks after another was changed uh i never suggested nerfing mines or speedvacs. i like blizz attempt that buffs >>> nerfs. just buff one of the following: ovidrop, nydus, burrowmovement, corruption, contamination, hatchtech burrow, hatchtech ovispeed, BL counter, hydras, neural parasite. and Z will gain some percent winrate AND will be more fun since more strats might be viable except the notorious ling bane muta into ultra/infestor (which in the last time doesnt even come to that point). | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:16 Rhaegal wrote: June 50% TvZ = buff zerg? TvZ was 50% before the Queen buff in wings. Buffing a race when the matchup is statistically balanced is stupid, I don't think Blizzard will make the same mistake twice. They just nerfed hellbats. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
so yes, releasing a balance patch even if the game is statistic balanced is not stupid | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:38 Rhaegal wrote: Your back here again? Didn't your whole Avilo argument get debunked, someone informing you that it is Major's smurf. I want to see this unbeatable deathball from Terran and I want to know how Terran is supposed to get to it without dying. What are you even talking about lol. And for the love of god please don't tell me you are suggesting mech in TvP. Dude I just want Parting to make the switch and apparently teach everyone how to really play terran, lol. We obviously have so much to learn | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:21 Snowbear wrote: It's just sad how zergs start whining about the widowmine, less than 14 days after the hellbat nerf. At least show some respect and wait a month. Just take a look at the osl r8 thread, it's full of whine about terran and mines . Less than 14 days ...+ Show Spoiler +Why can't innovation and maru just win? Did the zergs deserve the win? It's going on for longer, and Terrans like INnoVation and Flash didn't need hellbats to kill zergs. The bread and butter 14 cc into early third is what making them dominate every Zerg from the beginning of Hots till now. The nerf to hellbats was aimed for TvT and did affect TvP alot because it gave them strong timings where they could tank storms etc. | ||
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willstertben
427 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On July 24 2013 03:39 Decendos wrote: uh i never suggested nerfing mines or speedvacs. i like blizz attempt that buffs >>> nerfs. just buff one of the following: ovidrop, nydus, burrowmovement, corruption, contamination, hatchtech burrow, hatchtech ovispeed, BL counter, hydras, neural parasite. and Z will gain some percent winrate AND will be more fun since more strats might be viable except the notorious ling bane muta into ultra/infestor (which in the last time doesnt even come to that point). that's such a random compilation of suggestions that it seems to me there is no balance problem you are directly trying to address, until there is i dont think it's smart to arbitrarily change things in a matchup with a close to 50% win ratio | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
make it like queen have 13 range or something lol I wonder how that's gonna affect the game | ||
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