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masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 21:23:59
August 13 2011 21:17 GMT
#21
On August 14 2011 06:09 vVvSweep wrote:
Let me start by apologizing for the confusion in the post. I have edited the OP to be a little more accurate.

Now I will try and explain a few more things here as far as LAN and support from vVv.

If you do not attend any major LANs as defined in the OP then you are not representing vVv in anything important. When someone is looking for a sponsorship it always seems to be this question of "what will you do for me if i represent you?" If this is your thought process then you have likely never been sponsored by a real organization.

If you cannot attend major LANs (no matter what the reason) then I can settle this by saying the vVv Academy is not for you. If you CAN attend major LANs and you perform well, then there will be support from vVv. vVv-gaming is a very large organization and while strict on what we expect, our rewards are always on par with your performance.

I want you to think about the process here... If a company pays your entire travel expenses (several hundred dollars) to attend a LAN, then you are expected to produce a fan base worth those several hundred dollars. If you aren't able to keep up with your part of the deal then you are fooling yourself to think a sponsor will keep you.

And I will not discuss the benefits and support vVv can and/or will provide in a public forum.


why not just say online tournaments (where sc2 tournaments are mainly held) liek go4sc2, Zotac. Stuff like that. Cause tbh most of the best players represent their team that way.

A lot of players play mainly in online tournaments. Sheth mainly played online until mlg dallas 2011.

eourcs
Profile Joined February 2011
United States459 Posts
August 13 2011 21:17 GMT
#22
Seems like a pretty terrible deal :/. You have to constantly have to pay and find time for live events, and all you get back is a keyboard, maybe decent practice partners (but you don't need this academy for that), and you get to advertise for vVv..
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vVvSweep
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
August 13 2011 21:18 GMT
#23
On August 14 2011 06:13 TheTrueAmerican wrote:
ok so what we thought originally was true. you do not pay LAN fees but expect them to pay their way to go there and do well in them. for a "very large organization" i have to say thats pretty sad you cant pay for at least one of your academy members...

These kind of comments really make me sad. If you can prove that you deserve a sponsorship then you will be sponsored. I will not make a blanket statement on guaranteed benefits as they are based on the individuals performance.
LangJaiQQ
Profile Joined November 2010
Vietnam38 Posts
August 13 2011 21:21 GMT
#24
On August 14 2011 06:18 vVvSweep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:13 TheTrueAmerican wrote:
ok so what we thought originally was true. you do not pay LAN fees but expect them to pay their way to go there and do well in them. for a "very large organization" i have to say thats pretty sad you cant pay for at least one of your academy members...

These kind of comments really make me sad. If you can prove that you deserve a sponsorship then you will be sponsored. I will not make a blanket statement on guaranteed benefits as they are based on the individuals performance.



so what you're saying is that people need to spend several grand to attend major lan to have a chance at representing vVv? Lol is all i can say to this.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
August 13 2011 21:22 GMT
#25
On August 14 2011 06:18 vVvSweep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:13 TheTrueAmerican wrote:
ok so what we thought originally was true. you do not pay LAN fees but expect them to pay their way to go there and do well in them. for a "very large organization" i have to say thats pretty sad you cant pay for at least one of your academy members...

These kind of comments really make me sad. If you can prove that you deserve a sponsorship then you will be sponsored. I will not make a blanket statement on guaranteed benefits as they are based on the individuals performance.


What you say is true, but in most cases people make a name for themselves by succeeding in online tournaments (Nerchio), gets picked up by a sponsored team that in return sends them to LANs. I just think it's a bit weird the other way around.
vVvSweep
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
August 13 2011 21:23 GMT
#26
On August 14 2011 06:17 masterbreti wrote:

why not just say online tournaments (where sc2 tournaments are mainly held) liek go4sc2, Zotac. Stuff like that. Cause tbh most of the best players represent their team that way.


No company cares about online tournaments. I want you to come to the academy and demonstrate that you are ready willing and able to become a professional starcraft player.

I would like to change your statement to "ALL the best players represent their team at major LANs."

If you think that I/we will say "hey, you got first in go4sc2, add vVv to your name and ill pay you a salary!" If sponsors did that then eSports would collapse.
imEnex
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
August 13 2011 21:24 GMT
#27
Good luck vVv Gaming!
Program yourself to Success
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
August 13 2011 21:27 GMT
#28
On August 14 2011 06:23 vVvSweep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:17 masterbreti wrote:

why not just say online tournaments (where sc2 tournaments are mainly held) liek go4sc2, Zotac. Stuff like that. Cause tbh most of the best players represent their team that way.


No company cares about online tournaments. I want you to come to the academy and demonstrate that you are ready willing and able to become a professional starcraft player.

I would like to change your statement to "ALL the best players represent their team at major LANs."

If you think that I/we will say "hey, you got first in go4sc2, add vVv to your name and ill pay you a salary!" If sponsors did that then eSports would collapse.



Were not talking aobut a salary here though. Were talking about a non-paid, non sponsored academy.

Nericho, Sheth both played extremely well in online touraments and they were both picked up by major teams. neither of them went to a lan afaik before their first ones after they joined a major team.

I would love to apply to something like this but in all honesty I can't afford to go to mlg's and such. I don't have a full time job nor have a job able to pay for the $1500 is takes to go to a major lan.
vVvSweep
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
August 13 2011 21:29 GMT
#29

On August 14 2011 06:13 TheTrueAmerican wrote:

What you say is true, but in most cases people make a name for themselves by succeeding in online tournaments (Nerchio), gets picked up by a sponsored team that in return sends them to LANs. I just think it's a bit weird the other way around.


If you are a known player, getting sponsorship requests from other teams, performing well in online tournaments and just too broke to attend any LAN then we can talk in private. If you aren't in that position then you can feel free to continue to be unsponsored or you can try out for the vVv Academy for a chance to prove yourself with your prospective sponsor watching. Performance at a LAN is a VERY important part of proving your skill and value and that is why it is part of the process.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 13 2011 21:32 GMT
#30
I have a question, is it for american citizens only or is it open for anyone?
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
August 13 2011 21:33 GMT
#31
I'm sure there are many very good players who can't afford to attend lans because let's be realistic: flight tickets, hotels, entry fees, food, are not cheap. To require acadamy members whom basicly get no compensation and nothing in return to travel to lans out of their own pocket, seems a bit off to me.

And no there are plenty of online tournamnets that sponsord DO care about. WCG qualifiers that are online? IPL qualifiers, winning all the minor tournaments which still have some pros in them? Sponsors do care about those, they know there are very talanted players out there that don't have the money to go to lans by themselves.
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Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 21:39:05
August 13 2011 21:36 GMT
#32
Honestly, I feel like you'd be incredibly lucky to find 6 players who come close to meeting your criteria. Even if you limit to only GM+ skill level (and really you're not gonna be sponsoring masters players anyways), the amount of players available who aren't already on a team and would be interested in joining vVv is incredibly low. Add onto that the fact that they have to pay for what seems like a crap ton of LANs for very little reward, I highly doubt you'll find many players.


The various above points about online tournaments are valid. You could at least reduce it to like one or two MLGs or something (especicially considering its halfway through the circuit, and you seriously expect people to go to Europe to join your team? El oh El.)


Either way you will have to lower your standards somewhere, either in financial or skill ability.
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
August 13 2011 21:37 GMT
#33
On August 14 2011 06:33 hunts wrote:To require acadamy members whom basicly get no compensation and nothing in return to travel to lans out of their own pocket, seems a bit off to me.


They do get compensation, it's just that for some crazy reason the details are private until you're already committed.
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
August 13 2011 21:38 GMT
#34
I don't understand why vVv is getting all this heat. If you don't think this opportunity is reasonable, then fine, don't apply. I'm sure, however, that there are many people out there who are scrambling to apply.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 21:44:06
August 13 2011 21:41 GMT
#35
On August 14 2011 06:38 pyaar wrote:
I don't understand why vVv is getting all this heat. If you don't think this opportunity is reasonable, then fine, don't apply. I'm sure, however, that there are many people out there who are scrambling to apply.


I think it's a cool initiative by vVv, they probably are just setting the bar very high. They're essentially expecting people to travel cross-country to participate in Open Bracket (reasonable), show up to NASL to watch the games (err...), and then go to Europe to play in the Open Bracket for Dreamhack (for which only 2 people qualify)...... that one doesn't sound so reasonable (assuming you're from NA). I think it's just a little challenging.

The thing that really bugs me is that they say Dreamhack counts as a Major event, yet I can't find any actual vVv member participating in the Open BYOC tournament to qualify (yet they expect an Academy member to do so)... correct me if I'm wrong though, I just don't see it in the bracket (I have it open right now).

tldr: If vVv holds their team members to these standards then it's fine. But I don't see it being enforced, which makes it seem a bit ridiculous.
vVvSweep
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
August 13 2011 21:43 GMT
#36
On August 14 2011 06:36 Russano wrote:
Honestly, I feel like you'd be incredibly lucky to find 6 players who come close to meeting your criteria. Even if you limit to only GM+ skill level (and really you're not gonna be sponsoring masters players anyways), the amount of players available who aren't already on a team and would be interested in joining vVv is incredibly low. Add onto that the fact that they have to pay for what seems like a crap ton of LANs for very little reward, I highly doubt you'll find many players.


The various above points about online tournaments are valid. You could at least reduce it to like one or two MLGs or something (especicially considering its halfway through the circuit, and you seriously expect people to go to Europe to join your team? El oh El.)


Either way you will have to lower your standards somewhere, either in financial or skill ability.

You are not required to attend ALL major lans. The list of major lans is the lans that your performance in will be looked at in order to determine sponsorship. If you do not attend lans then you will not be sponsored. simple as that.
vVvSweep
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
August 13 2011 21:44 GMT
#37
On August 14 2011 06:41 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:38 pyaar wrote:
I don't understand why vVv is getting all this heat. If you don't think this opportunity is reasonable, then fine, don't apply. I'm sure, however, that there are many people out there who are scrambling to apply.


I think it's a cool initiative by vVv, they probably are just setting the bar very high. They're essentially expecting people to travel cross-country to participate in Open Bracket (reasonable), show up to NASL to watch the games (err...), and then go to Europe to play in the Open Bracket for Dreamhack (for which only 2 people qualify)...... that one doesn't sound so reasonable (assuming you're from NA). I think it's just a little challenging.

The thing that really bugs me is that they say Dreamhack counts as a Major event, yet I can't find any actual vVv member participating in the Open BYOC tournament to qualify (yet they expect an Academy member to do so)... correct me if I'm wrong though, I just don't see it in the bracket (I have it open right now).

tldr: If vVv holds their team members to these standards then it's fine. But I don't see it being enforced, which makes it seem a bit ridiculous.

See the post above this
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
August 13 2011 21:44 GMT
#38
While I understand the importance of participation in LANs, you simply cannot expect your amateur academy players to pay thousands and thousands of dollars a year to attend major tournaments across the globe to retain the privilege of being on your academy team. I would love to apply for this and work my ass off to compete with the very best, but, and this is almost assuredly the case for 99% of potential applicants, there is absolutely no way I can afford to fly myself out to these events in exchange for a keyboard that I already own.

I suggest you mirror coL academy's format for something more accessible.
vVvSweep
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
August 13 2011 21:47 GMT
#39
On August 14 2011 06:37 Soleron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 06:33 hunts wrote:To require acadamy members whom basicly get no compensation and nothing in return to travel to lans out of their own pocket, seems a bit off to me.


They do get compensation, it's just that for some crazy reason the details are private until you're already committed.

Can you tell me how much Idra makes, huk, destiny... any pro player?
If you can.... do they each get the same benefits?
That is why compensation is not discussed. It is based on performance, and if you cannot perform well enough but are dedicated to improving then we will help you get there through training and coaching until you are ready.
You will not be given money if you do not prove you deserve it.
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 21:49:19
August 13 2011 21:48 GMT
#40
Just curious, what do you consider good enough to be worthy of being on your team?

edit: Both in general skill level, and LAN results wise.
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