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Xog
Profile Joined August 2011
7 Posts
August 14 2011 17:41 GMT
#321
The foreign scene needs to develop more programs like this in order to increase the pool of players with pro-level skills and discover new talent. I think it's great that vVv is stepping forward as a leader in this regard.
Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
August 14 2011 17:48 GMT
#322
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On August 14 2011 16:37 Jibba wrote:
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On August 14 2011 15:16 SugarBear wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:54 Hossinaut wrote:
Well, originally I was going to post my personal opinion on the matter, but I think I'll let others speak for me.

From vVvSweep
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If you are going to try and be rude and a smart ass I would highly encourage you to ask an adult


From SugarBear in one of his more offensive posts:
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Actually, I sincerely apologize. I just realized how incredibly offensive it is to provide this opportunity to the SC2 community. I should have realized that people want to be stuck finding their own practice partners, finding contact info for sponsors, building their own fan base, and that every master level player is getting offers from top level organizations like EG and SK gaming left and right.

Oh wait.


from iCCup.Diamond
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Just for the record on the PR side of things (as I do PR and have done PR), repeatedly telling users they know nothing and you are too smart to explain it to them is not a good thing.


From rei
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@ vVvSweep
wow, I have been trying to defend you with every one of my post in this thread, now i feel like a dumb ass for saying all the unintelligent things when I was trying to help you guys out.

you really taught me a lot about being adult, and what it means to be smart, thank you so much on pointing out my mistakes. and you are right that I know nothing about owning a business, and i am no way consider myself an intelligent person, in fact I consider myself to be very stupid trying to be less stupid by getting help from others who are more intelligent than I am, such as yourself.

Again thank you for replying to me, i never thought someone as stupid as I am is actually worthy of the time you spend in typing out 6 paragraph of text trying to enlighten me.


From Polskaa
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On August 14 2011 10:11 lorkac wrote:
Sigh...

People who perform well in lans get paid

People who don't go to lans, don't get paid

vVv will only sponsor those who are already committed in trying to do well.

For example.

You don't get a burger from a restaurant until you pay for the burger first.

The lower quality burger "shacks" require you to pay before you get your item

"classy" resteraunts give you a bill at the end

I think we have made the the connection here.
I wont say it
But I will leave it to the people.


From ExO_
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On August 14 2011 10:39 Jawmare wrote:

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On August 14 2011 06:09 vVvSweep wrote:
And I will not discuss the benefits and support vVv can and/or will provide in a public forum.


Sounds fishy



Nah that's standard practice for competitive e-sports right now. Unlike in sports such as football, teams do not generally divulge contract details outside of their organizations

(personal opinion INC)
Idk why anyone else hasn't commented on this being an issue. If SC2 wants to be an E-Sport, why isn't behaving like a real sport, where players' signings and salaries are widely known? Its pub and its good in my opinion- also makes it so the stronger teams survive while the weaker ones don't, which provides for higher levels of play, which is good.




From TemplarRage
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On August 14 2011 05:47 SugarBear wrote:
Lots of feelings of entitlement so far in this thread. Are there any players serious about personal development in a structured environment who want to comment?



Are you implying that because we don't agree with your approach, we cannot possibly be serious about improving? Because I would love an opportunity like the one you're presenting. I'm in what seems to be a fairly unique position where I could probably manage to get myself to multiple MLGs this year, so I could fulfill that portion. But a lot of people aren't. I honestly cannot fathom how you and Sweep fail to understand that concept. I also cannot understand what makes you guys think that the approach you're taking ITT is at all in the best interest of this project.


From: Don't remember, didn't write it down
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But wow. Wow, wow, wow the vVv representatives in this thread are dicks.

Quit being condescending, arrogant assholes to people asking honest questions about the workings and motivation of this academy. As a community we are entitled to ask questions and receive answers. If you think otherwise, don't bring your academy into the public light.


and another


On the other hand, a team trying to help and develop talented players who shown potential at the game is willing to pay their players and help them gain valuable offline lan experiences, even if said player don't show any results.

But then again, a person as intelligent as the vVvsweep, he has to be well aware of this fact, by even bring this up i'm actually insulting his intelligence.

He obviously has his reasons why he would propose for the players to pay for their own traveling to attend lan, and attending lan is a requirement to stay on the team. As for his reason, he need not let us know because there is no way someone as stupid as I am can even remotely come close to understanding the logic behind this complex business operation. Even if he were to try, it would be a major waste of time, and he has wasted enough time on me by even replying to my post which was trying to but unsuccessfully defend the honor of vVv.



So if you read all that you have just read the compiled efforts of the thread up until now (the end of page 12 with vVvTime) and should probably have gotten the idea that vVv Gaming's representatives aren't very professional, nor is the deal they're selling very well thought out, especially when compared to this:
On August 14 2011 14:21 Integra wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:12 luckylefty wrote:
On August 14 2011 10:47 RebelMusic wrote:
I have read the OP and the entire thread and I believe you have made an error. The word "Academy" implies a school or some kind of training or development. However your requirements to join make it very clear that you essentially already have to be a superstar to gain any value out of this association. Do you intend on taking a "good" player of say, I don't know, Destiny's caliber and turning him into Idra? If so who is going to do the coaching because no one in vVv has done anything worthy enough to call themselves qualified. Not to mention the fact that if someone were of said skill level, odds are they would prefer joining a team straight up and developing via practice instead of getting some phony b-tag rating where they have to jump through hoops at great personal expense. So really, what are you providing to potential applicants? OP suggests that you will be "eligible" to receive Steelseries equipment. Eligible? ELIGIBLE?!? You won't even commit to giving away a crappy keyboard and a mouse pad? This whole thing is a joke in my opinion from beginning to end. Proving yet again that vVv just doesn't get it. Back to the drawing board, boys.




This is spot on in my eyes, great post.

This was the first odd thing that you noticed about their post?
How about the fact that they are posting a thing like this in the normal forums instead of the sponsor forums. Or the fact that they decide to post their application process and what rules you must follow instead of all the great benefits you will get if you join.
I mean you can get all this information on their homepage, why not used a sponsored thread trying to hype it instead, they should take lessons from InControl, he knows how to do this properly.


/my post

TL;DR, this is a TL;DR for the thread :D


I take exception to your selective quoting of my post. Taking that paragraph out of context is highly unprofessional and I hope you take more care in the future not to misquote people.

I agree completely, Hossinaut's post was completely unprofessional and I'm rather disappointed in him.

For those of you interested in reaching professional poster status, I am opening the JBA Academy to cultivate the very best writing talent in the community and provide them with full sponsorships towards other message boards.

To qualify for this prestigious Academy, you must participate in at least two of the following mediums, along with your regular forum posting: Twitter, Facebook, Google+, Blogspot, Xanga and Friendster.

We will provide you with the tools and training to reach your fullest professional posting abilities, and for those skilled enough to complete the rigorous training process, a complimentary copy of Spybot S&D awaits!



For those of you who say that my post was unprofessional, I am not a professional writer, I am not a professional PR guy. I was attempting to give the general theme of the thread up until then, and any quotes that looked out of context were taken by me as a representative of larger themes the authors were presenting.

Since that though, LordJerith has been a really good face for vVv, and I for one appreciate his efforts and the considerations being made. So, hats off to you LordJerith, I applaud you and your organization's willingness to change to the community's reasonable requests. I hope you all the best.
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
August 14 2011 17:51 GMT
#323
Glad to see that this thing is getting back on the right track. I want to add that I was told that the "vVv Academy" is basically just a fancy name for the B-team. If that's the case, then SugarBear's position becomes much clearer. If you're a B-teamer, they're not going to put you on the A-team unless you prove you should be (i.e. outperform an A-teamer and take their spot).

If they are altering the LAN thing, then I think I will grind myself into Masters so I can apply after all. That was really the only thing that was stopping me. I will say that I still think there should be some incentive for top-performing Academy members beyond free gear, namely at least sending them to a LAN. Even if it's only the top performer, or even if it's multiple people, but you only split the costs. I think having something like this as a goal to strive for will motivate whoever gets selected even more.
Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
August 14 2011 18:12 GMT
#324
LordJerith is the man. Good luck to vVv and their endeavours!
aka. Samael
Zkivlingen
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden11 Posts
August 14 2011 18:57 GMT
#325
I have a question since vVv is an NA clan i take it that you need an NA ladder account to apply correct? Also great too see that you stepped in and cleared up the confusion LordJerith props to you!
wtiii
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3 Posts
August 14 2011 18:59 GMT
#326
So if a player is unable to attend a "major LAN" with no expenses paid, vVv reserves the right to drop the player at any time, and even if they do manage to do that, they're expected to gain a fanbase worth hundreds (read: a few, as quoted) of dollars for a CHANCE at having their next LAN paid for?

But you get free peripherals roughly equal to what you already had after 90 days!
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
August 14 2011 19:40 GMT
#327
On August 15 2011 02:51 templar rage wrote:
Glad to see that this thing is getting back on the right track. I want to add that I was told that the "vVv Academy" is basically just a fancy name for the B-team. If that's the case, then SugarBear's position becomes much clearer. If you're a B-teamer, they're not going to put you on the A-team unless you prove you should be (i.e. outperform an A-teamer and take their spot).

If they are altering the LAN thing, then I think I will grind myself into Masters so I can apply after all. That was really the only thing that was stopping me. I will say that I still think there should be some incentive for top-performing Academy members beyond free gear, namely at least sending them to a LAN. Even if it's only the top performer, or even if it's multiple people, but you only split the costs. I think having something like this as a goal to strive for will motivate whoever gets selected even more.

I think they're looking for more of a high masters level player.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
August 14 2011 19:40 GMT
#328
On August 15 2011 03:59 wtiii wrote:
So if a player is unable to attend a "major LAN" with no expenses paid, vVv reserves the right to drop the player at any time, and even if they do manage to do that, they're expected to gain a fanbase worth hundreds (read: a few, as quoted) of dollars for a CHANCE at having their next LAN paid for?

But you get free peripherals roughly equal to what you already had after 90 days!

They dropped the LAN requirement, and originally it wasn't even required.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 20:02 GMT
#329
On August 15 2011 02:31 ihavetherain wrote:
The basic idea of an academy to help players get better in a team experience is great. Also I love how you are taking every suggestion into consideration and refining them. Lastly, why not help a player set up a stream that way they get experience playing with viewers watching and it will help bring publicity to vVv, the player, and the sponsors creating a win win situation for everybody.


Yes, streaming is included. We want to educate them on revenue streams and how to market themselves.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 14 2011 21:04 GMT
#330
LordJerith is this academy open for people not in the US as with the updated requirements i am tempted to apply.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 21:20 GMT
#331
On August 15 2011 03:57 Zkivlingen wrote:
I have a question since vVv is an NA clan i take it that you need an NA ladder account to apply correct? Also great too see that you stepped in and cleared up the confusion LordJerith props to you!


Yes, correct.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 21:21 GMT
#332
On August 15 2011 02:51 templar rage wrote:
Glad to see that this thing is getting back on the right track. I want to add that I was told that the "vVv Academy" is basically just a fancy name for the B-team. If that's the case, then SugarBear's position becomes much clearer. If you're a B-teamer, they're not going to put you on the A-team unless you prove you should be (i.e. outperform an A-teamer and take their spot).

If they are altering the LAN thing, then I think I will grind myself into Masters so I can apply after all. That was really the only thing that was stopping me. I will say that I still think there should be some incentive for top-performing Academy members beyond free gear, namely at least sending them to a LAN. Even if it's only the top performer, or even if it's multiple people, but you only split the costs. I think having something like this as a goal to strive for will motivate whoever gets selected even more.


It is not just a B team. I want to make that clear.
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
August 14 2011 21:26 GMT
#333
Then how is it different?
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 21:27:05
August 14 2011 21:26 GMT
#334
On August 15 2011 06:04 Zaros wrote:
LordJerith is this academy open for people not in the US as with the updated requirements i am tempted to apply.


Yes, but you must have a north american account.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 14 2011 21:35 GMT
#335
On August 15 2011 06:26 LordJerith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:04 Zaros wrote:
LordJerith is this academy open for people not in the US as with the updated requirements i am tempted to apply.


Yes, but you must have a north american account.


OK i will look at all the specifics and then make a decision about applying
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#336
I'm glad to see that vVv has a smart, caring, and receptive owner. Kudos to LordJerith for handling the situation in a professional manner.
Don't mind me
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 22:12 GMT
#337
Original thread is edited. This removes the LAN requirement.
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 23:06:09
August 14 2011 23:05 GMT
#338
nvm mod please delete my post.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 00:52:12
August 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#339
Thanks for all the feedback!

Moderators. Please close this thread, as we will start a new one with changes from all this feedback.

Thanks again, everyone.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 15 2011 18:47 GMT
#340
On August 14 2011 19:16 Heazy wrote:
This thread is very indicative of how Clan vVv is run as a whole... terribly. The only thing that stands out about your clan is the severe immaturity and rage after losing clan wars and ladder games (and now immaturity in a major public forum as well).

Let me put this another way... a 'vVv' player has never won any major tournament ever, and you're expecting people to jump at the chance to represent you? Great business model there.


YO Haezy, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=238282

get own you hypocrite.
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