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Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
August 14 2011 16:29 GMT
#301
So I have a time to apply up to first tournament right?
Be the change you want to see in the world.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 16:30 GMT
#302
On August 15 2011 01:26 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 01:01 LordJerith wrote:
On August 15 2011 00:50 rei wrote:
What I would like to see from an academy is

1) reward based on effort, not lan results. The reasoning behind this that your recruit managers have the responsibility to spot talents, and your coaching staff will be responsible to raise this talents, if they have done their job, the players with talents and effort will eventually yield results on lan. and if the players don't get the expected results, the one should take responsibility lies on the managers and coaches.

2)a challenge system that internally ranks your recruits, if a recruit places last they get remove after a week, this way you keep your recruit managers busy. In the same time this will result in competitiveness between recruits and pressure on them to preform internally. The idea is that if you don't get better faster than your peers you will be removed.

So you reward your top internal ranked players with traveling expenses, to lan to see if they yield results, if they don't then blame it on the coaches and your recruit managers. they obviously either failed at assessing the talents or didn't provide a solid coaching curriculum. Because it can't be the player's fault if your player have been playing 8 hours a day 7 days a week and ranked on top of your internal ranking. At that point you look for new coaches and new recruitment managers.


1)How do you quantify effort? Hours logged? Just wanting some clarification on how this would work.
2)Yes, we would have something like that, but monthly not weekly.
3)I do like the idea of holding the managers responsible, and we will use that. Great suggestion.

If you are talking about recruits playing from their home, then you have your recruits upload all their replays they played at the end of each day, there is a time stamp on the duration of each replay file, you can log their hours practiced for the day.(you need to create a personal replay upload thing in your vVv website, so your recruits can log on and upload)

Oh and its your coaching staff's job to go through all those bloody replays, and single out mistakes and errors, and shit to and post comments and suggestions behind each reply recruits upload. Make sure these comments can only be seen by that player, and make sure it notify the coach whether or not the player have click on the comments to read it.

TL is a huge resource, we will help you guys out with free ideas as long as we can see there is a potential in promoting further development of Esport.

PS. you might actually have to pay your coaches for doing this, going through all the replays will take a long ass time


Interesting idea. I actually like it, and I agree we would have to compensate qualified managers/coaches for this. We may use our sponsored players in this role. Of course, we would then need to hold them accountable for the players performance if we compensate them, but I really like the idea. Thanks for this.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 16:31 GMT
#303
On August 15 2011 01:29 Netto. wrote:
So I have a time to apply up to first tournament right?


Correct.
rontol
Profile Joined June 2011
71 Posts
August 14 2011 16:32 GMT
#304
GJ on the review.

Wish u all luck.
Life is a (fateful) choice
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
August 14 2011 16:32 GMT
#305
Good luck guys~
Dear Sixsmith...
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
August 14 2011 16:38 GMT
#306
seriously,

focus on online tournaments for your new and upcoming players, not lan. maybe have them go to a lan once or twice a year for just experience.

lan tournaments are just NOT feasible. there are plenty of talented and great players that were noticed by online results, and got sponsored. From this thread, sheth and nerchio come to mind. They got sponsored by legit teams through their online efforts. You should follow precedent and do the same. If you can take one game off of idra, even online, then you are GOING to get noticed.

Being a sponsor, it's all about advertisement and marketing. SC2 thrives through the internet, such as teamliquid, twitter, AND online tournaments. You are severely undervaluing what online tournaments can offer.

starting things off online present a much bigger and better opportunity.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
August 14 2011 16:38 GMT
#307
On August 15 2011 01:17 Glon wrote:


@Zdrastochye if you were serious about joining vVv I'm sure that with some searching on vvv-gaming.com you could find our achievements within 5 minutes. Since you're obviously not serious in joining the academy, I feel no reason to do that work for you



Actually I did go to vvv-gaming.com, and when I clicked on the SC2 team link it was empty and I couldn't see anything.

THEN I went to liquidpedia which also has no information besides the second place finish to ROOT in the Team League (which wasn't what I asked anyways). The only vVv member I've heard from is Titan on Bitters' 12 weeks.

Can you please stop with the negativity, right after the owner of vVv apologizes for vVv's terrible terrible PR, and assume the best of everyone in here to save some face? Seriously, I'm pretty tired of the negativity after a whole thread of it, especially when an unassuming question gets thrown back in my face.
Hey! How you doin'?
VPreboot
Profile Joined April 2011
United States132 Posts
August 14 2011 16:42 GMT
#308
Thanks LordJerith, I appreciate your efforts to keep this under control and to compromise. I wish that I was a better player so I could apply. GL!
Writer, Wizard, esports Warrior
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 14 2011 16:43 GMT
#309
On August 15 2011 01:30 LordJerith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 01:26 rei wrote:
On August 15 2011 01:01 LordJerith wrote:
On August 15 2011 00:50 rei wrote:
What I would like to see from an academy is

1) reward based on effort, not lan results. The reasoning behind this that your recruit managers have the responsibility to spot talents, and your coaching staff will be responsible to raise this talents, if they have done their job, the players with talents and effort will eventually yield results on lan. and if the players don't get the expected results, the one should take responsibility lies on the managers and coaches.

2)a challenge system that internally ranks your recruits, if a recruit places last they get remove after a week, this way you keep your recruit managers busy. In the same time this will result in competitiveness between recruits and pressure on them to preform internally. The idea is that if you don't get better faster than your peers you will be removed.

So you reward your top internal ranked players with traveling expenses, to lan to see if they yield results, if they don't then blame it on the coaches and your recruit managers. they obviously either failed at assessing the talents or didn't provide a solid coaching curriculum. Because it can't be the player's fault if your player have been playing 8 hours a day 7 days a week and ranked on top of your internal ranking. At that point you look for new coaches and new recruitment managers.


1)How do you quantify effort? Hours logged? Just wanting some clarification on how this would work.
2)Yes, we would have something like that, but monthly not weekly.
3)I do like the idea of holding the managers responsible, and we will use that. Great suggestion.

If you are talking about recruits playing from their home, then you have your recruits upload all their replays they played at the end of each day, there is a time stamp on the duration of each replay file, you can log their hours practiced for the day.(you need to create a personal replay upload thing in your vVv website, so your recruits can log on and upload)

Oh and its your coaching staff's job to go through all those bloody replays, and single out mistakes and errors, and shit to and post comments and suggestions behind each reply recruits upload. Make sure these comments can only be seen by that player, and make sure it notify the coach whether or not the player have click on the comments to read it.

TL is a huge resource, we will help you guys out with free ideas as long as we can see there is a potential in promoting further development of Esport.

PS. you might actually have to pay your coaches for doing this, going through all the replays will take a long ass time


Interesting idea. I actually like it, and I agree we would have to compensate qualified managers/coaches for this. We may use our sponsored players in this role. Of course, we would then need to hold them accountable for the players performance if we compensate them, but I really like the idea. Thanks for this.


Your sponsored players can't spare too much of their time analyzing others replays, they have to take care of their own business. You want to free up your stars with no burden, so they can concentrate on getting better faster than let's say EG.idra.

Oh and about spotting talents, make sure your recruitment managers know what talent means in sc2, it is defined as "the ability to consistently make the right decision given limited information and under stress". and make sure they don't confuse this talent with "having mass experience in sc2". Because people like Idra who uses his experience to make up for his lack of talents will still make the right decision most of the time under scripted scenarios that he has experienced at least once, but his lack of talents shows up when the Koreans put him on the spot where he doesn't have a lot of experience with.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 16:45 GMT
#310
On August 15 2011 01:26 RedJustice wrote:
Gl to vVv then! I think you will have a lot of very interested players willing to apply now! :D

EDIT: P.S. Might wanna ask Sweep to edit the OP with the change to the LAN requirement.


He is at work, I will have him edit it.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
August 14 2011 16:47 GMT
#311
On August 15 2011 01:26 LordJerith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 01:18 celious wrote:
I would like to know more about how the monthly placement tournament is going to be structured. Is it going to be a single bracket? What if I'm having an off day and lose to a lesser player first round, does that mean I'm out of academy until the next month?


Double elimination over a weekend with flexible times. It will be a Friday-Sun type of event.


First off thanks for responding to this thread and clearing up all the confusion and negativity that brewed from the somewhat ambiguous OP, and from the replis of sweep/sugarbear.

I just had a quetion of just how flexible would the times be? I've concidered applying to the academy but the main thing that stopped me was the LAN requirement. Other than that, I work friday-sunday so it wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world for me to make games on friday-sunday, but I would still have some time each of those days.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
BeefyKnight
Profile Joined November 2010
United States127 Posts
August 14 2011 16:48 GMT
#312
Thank you LordJerith, for stepping in and pushing this thread in another direction. A help us improve the plan direction is always a good one. That being said I still think a stern talking to or 2 are in order. Unfortunately I don't really have anything to add that hasn't already been said. But good luck with your team and academy.
Eogris
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States148 Posts
August 14 2011 16:52 GMT
#313
Good luck vVv! This seems like a really exciting opportunity for some skilled players. Hopefully we get to see some new names on the scene. Even if they're not AAA players its still fun to see new faces.
THE NUKES GONNA LAND ON HIS ARMYYYYYYYYYYY
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 17:04 GMT
#314
On August 15 2011 01:38 akalarry wrote:
seriously,

focus on online tournaments for your new and upcoming players, not lan. maybe have them go to a lan once or twice a year for just experience.

lan tournaments are just NOT feasible. there are plenty of talented and great players that were noticed by online results, and got sponsored. From this thread, sheth and nerchio come to mind. They got sponsored by legit teams through their online efforts. You should follow precedent and do the same. If you can take one game off of idra, even online, then you are GOING to get noticed.

Being a sponsor, it's all about advertisement and marketing. SC2 thrives through the internet, such as teamliquid, twitter, AND online tournaments. You are severely undervaluing what online tournaments can offer.

starting things off online present a much bigger and better opportunity.


Yes, we agree!
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 17:06 GMT
#315
On August 15 2011 01:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 01:17 Glon wrote:


@Zdrastochye if you were serious about joining vVv I'm sure that with some searching on vvv-gaming.com you could find our achievements within 5 minutes. Since you're obviously not serious in joining the academy, I feel no reason to do that work for you



Actually I did go to vvv-gaming.com, and when I clicked on the SC2 team link it was empty and I couldn't see anything.

THEN I went to liquidpedia which also has no information besides the second place finish to ROOT in the Team League (which wasn't what I asked anyways). The only vVv member I've heard from is Titan on Bitters' 12 weeks.

Can you please stop with the negativity, right after the owner of vVv apologizes for vVv's terrible terrible PR, and assume the best of everyone in here to save some face? Seriously, I'm pretty tired of the negativity after a whole thread of it, especially when an unassuming question gets thrown back in my face.


Yup, we just upgraded our forums, and this will be up this week. We're catching up on those team pages. Probably by Tuesday.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 17:12:53
August 14 2011 17:07 GMT
#316
On August 15 2011 01:43 rei wrote:
Your sponsored players can't spare too much of their time analyzing others replays, they have to take care of their own business. You want to free up your stars with no burden, so they can concentrate on getting better faster than let's say EG.idra.

Oh and about spotting talents, make sure your recruitment managers know what talent means in sc2, it is defined as "the ability to consistently make the right decision given limited information and under stress". and make sure they don't confuse this talent with "having mass experience in sc2". Because people like Idra who uses his experience to make up for his lack of talents will still make the right decision most of the time under scripted scenarios that he has experienced at least once, but his lack of talents shows up when the Koreans put him on the spot where he doesn't have a lot of experience with.


Thanks! Good points, and we will keep that in mind.
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
August 14 2011 17:09 GMT
#317
Sent you a pm on here LordJerith. just a couple questions about vvv academy that were rather offtopic so I sent you a pm
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 17:16 GMT
#318
On August 15 2011 01:47 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 01:26 LordJerith wrote:
On August 15 2011 01:18 celious wrote:
I would like to know more about how the monthly placement tournament is going to be structured. Is it going to be a single bracket? What if I'm having an off day and lose to a lesser player first round, does that mean I'm out of academy until the next month?


Double elimination over a weekend with flexible times. It will be a Friday-Sun type of event.


First off thanks for responding to this thread and clearing up all the confusion and negativity that brewed from the somewhat ambiguous OP, and from the replis of sweep/sugarbear.

I just had a quetion of just how flexible would the times be? I've concidered applying to the academy but the main thing that stopped me was the LAN requirement. Other than that, I work friday-sunday so it wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world for me to make games on friday-sunday, but I would still have some time each of those days.


We'll have to handle that on a case by case basis. You could schedule matches at times that work for you, but we would need to handle those scheduling conflicts as they come up.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
August 14 2011 17:17 GMT
#319
On August 15 2011 01:52 Eogris wrote:
Good luck vVv! This seems like a really exciting opportunity for some skilled players. Hopefully we get to see some new names on the scene. Even if they're not AAA players its still fun to see new faces.


Thanks for the support. Again, I apologize for how we handled it.
ihavetherain
Profile Joined July 2011
United States15 Posts
August 14 2011 17:31 GMT
#320
The basic idea of an academy to help players get better in a team experience is great. Also I love how you are taking every suggestion into consideration and refining them. Lastly, why not help a player set up a stream that way they get experience playing with viewers watching and it will help bring publicity to vVv, the player, and the sponsors creating a win win situation for everybody.
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