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On August 14 2011 10:47 RebelMusic wrote:
I have read the OP and the entire thread and I believe you have made an error. The word "Academy" implies a school or some kind of training or development. However your requirements to join make it very clear that you essentially already have to be a superstar to gain any value out of this association. Do you intend on taking a "good" player of say, I don't know, Destiny's caliber and turning him into Idra? If so who is going to do the coaching because no one in vVv has done anything worthy enough to call themselves qualified. Not to mention the fact that if someone were of said skill level, odds are they would prefer joining a team straight up and developing via practice instead of getting some phony b-tag rating where they have to jump through hoops at great personal expense. So really, what are you providing to potential applicants? OP suggests that you will be "eligible" to receive Steelseries equipment. Eligible? ELIGIBLE?!? You won't even commit to giving away a crappy keyboard and a mouse pad? This whole thing is a joke in my opinion from beginning to end. Proving yet again that vVv just doesn't get it. Back to the drawing board, boys.
This is spot on in my eyes, great post.
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On August 14 2011 05:49 masterbreti wrote:
This would be intresting if I could afford to auctally go to major lans. But I don't have the money to do so. Sounds nice. But Just a little expensive for me.
Otherwise I would be happy to apply.
they said master or grand-master players ur in gold
stop giving shit to vvv they're a good organisation
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Seems like a decent opportunity for up and comers to get better practice in a more structured environment. If they left out the whole attending and doing good at big lans thing they would've been ok. Just kinda hilarious to even mention that when none of their players have done jack shit at a major LAN (kinda harsh but yea)...so why would someone who can place highly at a lan even want to join vVv? I don't know what their teams are like in other games but they ain't exactly dignitas or mouz in SC2.
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On August 14 2011 14:12 luckylefty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 10:47 RebelMusic wrote:
I have read the OP and the entire thread and I believe you have made an error. The word "Academy" implies a school or some kind of training or development. However your requirements to join make it very clear that you essentially already have to be a superstar to gain any value out of this association. Do you intend on taking a "good" player of say, I don't know, Destiny's caliber and turning him into Idra? If so who is going to do the coaching because no one in vVv has done anything worthy enough to call themselves qualified. Not to mention the fact that if someone were of said skill level, odds are they would prefer joining a team straight up and developing via practice instead of getting some phony b-tag rating where they have to jump through hoops at great personal expense. So really, what are you providing to potential applicants? OP suggests that you will be "eligible" to receive Steelseries equipment. Eligible? ELIGIBLE?!? You won't even commit to giving away a crappy keyboard and a mouse pad? This whole thing is a joke in my opinion from beginning to end. Proving yet again that vVv just doesn't get it. Back to the drawing board, boys. This is spot on in my eyes, great post.
This was the first odd thing that you noticed about their post?
How about the fact that they are posting a thing like this in the normal forums instead of the sponsor forums. Or the fact that they decide to post their application process and what rules you must follow instead of all the great benefits you will get if you join. I mean you can get all this information on their homepage, why not used a sponsored thread trying to hype it instead, they should take lessons from InControl, he knows how to do this properly.
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On August 14 2011 14:14 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 05:49 masterbreti wrote:
This would be intresting if I could afford to auctally go to major lans. But I don't have the money to do so. Sounds nice. But Just a little expensive for me.
Otherwise I would be happy to apply. they said master or grand-master players ur in gold stop giving shit to vvv they're a good organisation
lol desrow. I don't even ladder, in saying that if I took a day or two and laddered it would be easy to hit high masters. It's all a matter of putting in the hours to ladder.
If you read my post I wasn't saying anything negative about vVv. I was just saying I auctally cannot afford to go to lans and such because of the cost involved. Nothing againt vVv or anything, thats just my own personal circumstance.
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On August 14 2011 14:14 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 05:49 masterbreti wrote:
This would be intresting if I could afford to auctally go to major lans. But I don't have the money to do so. Sounds nice. But Just a little expensive for me.
Otherwise I would be happy to apply. they said master or grand-master players ur in gold stop giving shit to vvv they're a good organisation
lol why would u solo this guy out...you make no sense
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On August 14 2011 14:36 KoDo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:14 desrow wrote:On August 14 2011 05:49 masterbreti wrote:
This would be intresting if I could afford to auctally go to major lans. But I don't have the money to do so. Sounds nice. But Just a little expensive for me.
Otherwise I would be happy to apply. they said master or grand-master players ur in gold stop giving shit to vvv they're a good organisation lol why would u solo this guy out...you make no sense
the 2nd line was to everyone else
the first line was a friendly reminder =)
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I can't say what the academy's plan is, but if you join the academy me, alej, hasuu, murder, titan and ruff will play practice games with you and if you're protoss you can chill with alej and I all day.
That's all I'm going to say in this thread.
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What? Do I need to link you? They had a CSS team you obviously don't know you're own community.
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So, what does this do for the players? Other than the practice, isn't this an inconvenience? Maybe I'm not understanding it completely.
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On August 14 2011 14:41 vVvTime wrote:
I can't say what the academy's plan is, but if you join the academy me, alej, hasuu, murder, titan and ruff will play practice games with you and if you're protoss you can chill with alej and I all day.
That's all I'm going to say in this thread.
What i dont understand is their expectations, they expect academy members to outperform the current members to get a place on the team
quote from babysteps "The requirements you're speaking of would be the requirements for moving onto the sponsored team. Of course you would have to do better than the currently sponsored players to earn a spot on the sponsored team..."
So an academy member training with you guys is supposed to take what you have taught him, and outperform everyone on the team, to get a shot at being on VVV after covering their own expenses to go to these lans in the first place....
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Well, originally I was going to post my personal opinion on the matter, but I think I'll let others speak for me.
From vVvSweep
+ Show Spoiler +If you are going to try and be rude and a smart ass I would highly encourage you to ask an adult
From SugarBear in one of his more offensive posts:
+ Show Spoiler + Actually, I sincerely apologize. I just realized how incredibly offensive it is to provide this opportunity to the SC2 community. I should have realized that people want to be stuck finding their own practice partners, finding contact info for sponsors, building their own fan base, and that every master level player is getting offers from top level organizations like EG and SK gaming left and right.
Oh wait.
from iCCup.Diamond
+ Show Spoiler +Just for the record on the PR side of things (as I do PR and have done PR), repeatedly telling users they know nothing and you are too smart to explain it to them is not a good thing.
From rei
+ Show Spoiler +@ vVvSweep
wow, I have been trying to defend you with every one of my post in this thread, now i feel like a dumb ass for saying all the unintelligent things when I was trying to help you guys out.
you really taught me a lot about being adult, and what it means to be smart, thank you so much on pointing out my mistakes. and you are right that I know nothing about owning a business, and i am no way consider myself an intelligent person, in fact I consider myself to be very stupid trying to be less stupid by getting help from others who are more intelligent than I am, such as yourself.
Again thank you for replying to me, i never thought someone as stupid as I am is actually worthy of the time you spend in typing out 6 paragraph of text trying to enlighten me.
From Polskaa
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On August 14 2011 10:11 lorkac wrote:
Sigh...
People who perform well in lans get paid
People who don't go to lans, don't get paid
vVv will only sponsor those who are already committed in trying to do well.
For example.
You don't get a burger from a restaurant until you pay for the burger first.
The lower quality burger "shacks" require you to pay before you get your item
"classy" resteraunts give you a bill at the end
I think we have made the the connection here.
I wont say it
But I will leave it to the people.
From ExO_
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On August 14 2011 10:39 Jawmare wrote:
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On August 14 2011 06:09 vVvSweep wrote:
And I will not discuss the benefits and support vVv can and/or will provide in a public forum.
Sounds fishy
Nah that's standard practice for competitive e-sports right now. Unlike in sports such as football, teams do not generally divulge contract details outside of their organizations
(personal opinion INC)
Idk why anyone else hasn't commented on this being an issue. If SC2 wants to be an E-Sport, why isn't behaving like a real sport, where players' signings and salaries are widely known? Its pub and its good in my opinion- also makes it so the stronger teams survive while the weaker ones don't, which provides for higher levels of play, which is good.
From TemplarRage
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On August 14 2011 05:47 SugarBear wrote:
Lots of feelings of entitlement so far in this thread. Are there any players serious about personal development in a structured environment who want to comment?
Are you implying that because we don't agree with your approach, we cannot possibly be serious about improving? Because I would love an opportunity like the one you're presenting. I'm in what seems to be a fairly unique position where I could probably manage to get myself to multiple MLGs this year, so I could fulfill that portion. But a lot of people aren't. I honestly cannot fathom how you and Sweep fail to understand that concept. I also cannot understand what makes you guys think that the approach you're taking ITT is at all in the best interest of this project.
From: Don't remember, didn't write it down
+ Show Spoiler + But wow. Wow, wow, wow the vVv representatives in this thread are dicks.
Quit being condescending, arrogant assholes to people asking honest questions about the workings and motivation of this academy. As a community we are entitled to ask questions and receive answers. If you think otherwise, don't bring your academy into the public light.
and another
On the other hand, a team trying to help and develop talented players who shown potential at the game is willing to pay their players and help them gain valuable offline lan experiences, even if said player don't show any results.
But then again, a person as intelligent as the vVvsweep, he has to be well aware of this fact, by even bring this up i'm actually insulting his intelligence.
He obviously has his reasons why he would propose for the players to pay for their own traveling to attend lan, and attending lan is a requirement to stay on the team. As for his reason, he need not let us know because there is no way someone as stupid as I am can even remotely come close to understanding the logic behind this complex business operation. Even if he were to try, it would be a major waste of time, and he has wasted enough time on me by even replying to my post which was trying to but unsuccessfully defend the honor of vVv.
So if you read all that you have just read the compiled efforts of the thread up until now (the end of page 12 with vVvTime) and should probably have gotten the idea that vVv Gaming's representatives aren't very professional, nor is the deal they're selling very well thought out, especially when compared to this:
On August 14 2011 14:21 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:12 luckylefty wrote:On August 14 2011 10:47 RebelMusic wrote:
I have read the OP and the entire thread and I believe you have made an error. The word "Academy" implies a school or some kind of training or development. However your requirements to join make it very clear that you essentially already have to be a superstar to gain any value out of this association. Do you intend on taking a "good" player of say, I don't know, Destiny's caliber and turning him into Idra? If so who is going to do the coaching because no one in vVv has done anything worthy enough to call themselves qualified. Not to mention the fact that if someone were of said skill level, odds are they would prefer joining a team straight up and developing via practice instead of getting some phony b-tag rating where they have to jump through hoops at great personal expense. So really, what are you providing to potential applicants? OP suggests that you will be "eligible" to receive Steelseries equipment. Eligible? ELIGIBLE?!? You won't even commit to giving away a crappy keyboard and a mouse pad? This whole thing is a joke in my opinion from beginning to end. Proving yet again that vVv just doesn't get it. Back to the drawing board, boys. This is spot on in my eyes, great post. This was the first odd thing that you noticed about their post?
How about the fact that they are posting a thing like this in the normal forums instead of the sponsor forums. Or the fact that they decide to post their application process and what rules you must follow instead of all the great benefits you will get if you join. I mean you can get all this information on their homepage, why not used a sponsored thread trying to hype it instead, they should take lessons from InControl, he knows how to do this properly.
/my post
TL;DR, this is a TL;DR for the thread :D
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On August 14 2011 14:42 deathr0w wrote:
What? Do I need to link you? They had a CSS team you obviously don't know you're own community.
I think you might be confusing Vision Valor Victory with Veni Vedi Vici, a German Counterstrike team.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2011 14:49 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:41 vVvTime wrote:
I can't say what the academy's plan is, but if you join the academy me, alej, hasuu, murder, titan and ruff will play practice games with you and if you're protoss you can chill with alej and I all day.
That's all I'm going to say in this thread. What i dont understand is their expectations, they expect academy members to outperform the current members to get a place on the team quote from babysteps "The requirements you're speaking of would be the requirements for moving onto the sponsored team. Of course you would have to do better than the currently sponsored players to earn a spot on the sponsored team..." So an academy member training with you guys is supposed to take what you have taught him, and outperform everyone on the team, to get a shot at being on VVV after covering their own expenses to go to these lans in the first place.... On August 14 2011 14:20 antelope591 wrote:
Seems like a decent opportunity for up and comers to get better practice in a more structured environment. If they left out the whole attending and doing good at big lans thing they would've been ok. Just kinda hilarious to even mention that when none of their players have done jack shit at a major LAN (kinda harsh but yea)...so why would someone who can place highly at a lan even want to join vVv? I don't know what their teams are like in other games but they ain't exactly dignitas or mouz in SC2. On August 14 2011 14:12 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 13:47 SugarBear wrote:On August 14 2011 13:09 RoboBob wrote:
So I looked up VVV on TLPD. Only 3 out of 15 members went to MLG Anaheim. None of them made it out of the open bracket, or even the playoff to get out of the open bracket. None of them has placed highly at any MLG/IEM/Dreamhack. Most of them have only placed top3 in maybe 1 or 2 Go42 cups in the past year. Or less.
Not sure why you have higher expectations for your Academy B team players. 100% of your A team doesn't meet those standards. (unless you consider dropping out in Round 4 of loser's bracket performing "well") The top30 of MLG Anaheim were players already on sponsered teams that do reimburse traveling costs. The requirements you're speaking of would be the requirements for moving onto the sponsored team. Of course you would have to do better than the currently sponsored players to earn a spot on the sponsored team... Wait what? Why "of course you would have to do better than the currently sponsored players to earn a spot on the team"?? That doesnt really make sense , especially in a VVV academy setting where the players are up and comers looking to improve. How are they supposed to improve if they are already supposed to be better than the players they are training with at the academy? This seems screwed up, so you have to outperform everyone on the VVV team to even get a spot , even though that shouldnt be too hard considering their results, its ridiculous that they have higher expectations of someone who isnt sponsored / has to pay their own way to lans, then they do of people who are already sponsored on their team. That seems totally backwards.
So you want us to drop our longstanding loyal sponsored players to pick up an Academy player because they did *almost* as good at a LAN? Or if we have one player who has been committed and represented vVv for years and someone from the Academy places equal at an MLG we should drop the sponsored player to pick up the Academy player?
Like I said, obviously the Academy players would have to outperform the sponsored players in order to get picked up.
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On August 14 2011 14:41 vVvTime wrote:
I can't say what the academy's plan is, but if you join the academy me, alej, hasuu, murder, titan and ruff will play practice games with you and if you're protoss you can chill with alej and I all day.
That's all I'm going to say in this thread.
you a sexy man time if I wasn't already friends with you I might join just so I could be friends with you! <3.
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On August 14 2011 14:54 Hossinaut wrote:Well, originally I was going to post my personal opinion on the matter, but I think I'll let others speak for me. From vVvSweep + Show Spoiler +If you are going to try and be rude and a smart ass I would highly encourage you to ask an adult From SugarBear in one of his more offensive posts: + Show Spoiler + Actually, I sincerely apologize. I just realized how incredibly offensive it is to provide this opportunity to the SC2 community. I should have realized that people want to be stuck finding their own practice partners, finding contact info for sponsors, building their own fan base, and that every master level player is getting offers from top level organizations like EG and SK gaming left and right.
Oh wait. from iCCup.Diamond + Show Spoiler +Just for the record on the PR side of things (as I do PR and have done PR), repeatedly telling users they know nothing and you are too smart to explain it to them is not a good thing. From rei + Show Spoiler +@ vVvSweep
wow, I have been trying to defend you with every one of my post in this thread, now i feel like a dumb ass for saying all the unintelligent things when I was trying to help you guys out.
you really taught me a lot about being adult, and what it means to be smart, thank you so much on pointing out my mistakes. and you are right that I know nothing about owning a business, and i am no way consider myself an intelligent person, in fact I consider myself to be very stupid trying to be less stupid by getting help from others who are more intelligent than I am, such as yourself.
Again thank you for replying to me, i never thought someone as stupid as I am is actually worthy of the time you spend in typing out 6 paragraph of text trying to enlighten me. From Polskaa + Show Spoiler +
On August 14 2011 10:11 lorkac wrote:
Sigh...
People who perform well in lans get paid
People who don't go to lans, don't get paid
vVv will only sponsor those who are already committed in trying to do well.
For example.
You don't get a burger from a restaurant until you pay for the burger first.
The lower quality burger "shacks" require you to pay before you get your item
"classy" resteraunts give you a bill at the end
I think we have made the the connection here.
I wont say it
But I will leave it to the people. From ExO_ + Show Spoiler +
On August 14 2011 10:39 Jawmare wrote:
Hide nested quote -
On August 14 2011 06:09 vVvSweep wrote:
And I will not discuss the benefits and support vVv can and/or will provide in a public forum.
Sounds fishy
Nah that's standard practice for competitive e-sports right now. Unlike in sports such as football, teams do not generally divulge contract details outside of their organizations
(personal opinion INC)
Idk why anyone else hasn't commented on this being an issue. If SC2 wants to be an E-Sport, why isn't behaving like a real sport, where players' signings and salaries are widely known? Its pub and its good in my opinion- also makes it so the stronger teams survive while the weaker ones don't, which provides for higher levels of play, which is good. From TemplarRage + Show Spoiler +
On August 14 2011 05:47 SugarBear wrote:
Lots of feelings of entitlement so far in this thread. Are there any players serious about personal development in a structured environment who want to comment?
Are you implying that because we don't agree with your approach, we cannot possibly be serious about improving? Because I would love an opportunity like the one you're presenting. I'm in what seems to be a fairly unique position where I could probably manage to get myself to multiple MLGs this year, so I could fulfill that portion. But a lot of people aren't. I honestly cannot fathom how you and Sweep fail to understand that concept. I also cannot understand what makes you guys think that the approach you're taking ITT is at all in the best interest of this project.
From: Don't remember, didn't write it down + Show Spoiler + But wow. Wow, wow, wow the vVv representatives in this thread are dicks.
Quit being condescending, arrogant assholes to people asking honest questions about the workings and motivation of this academy. As a community we are entitled to ask questions and receive answers. If you think otherwise, don't bring your academy into the public light.
and another
On the other hand, a team trying to help and develop talented players who shown potential at the game is willing to pay their players and help them gain valuable offline lan experiences, even if said player don't show any results.
But then again, a person as intelligent as the vVvsweep, he has to be well aware of this fact, by even bring this up i'm actually insulting his intelligence.
He obviously has his reasons why he would propose for the players to pay for their own traveling to attend lan, and attending lan is a requirement to stay on the team. As for his reason, he need not let us know because there is no way someone as stupid as I am can even remotely come close to understanding the logic behind this complex business operation. Even if he were to try, it would be a major waste of time, and he has wasted enough time on me by even replying to my post which was trying to but unsuccessfully defend the honor of vVv. So if you read all that you have just read the compiled efforts of the thread up until now (the end of page 12 with vVvTime) and should probably have gotten the idea that vVv Gaming's representatives aren't very professional, nor is the deal they're selling very well thought out, especially when compared to this: Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:21 Integra wrote:On August 14 2011 14:12 luckylefty wrote:On August 14 2011 10:47 RebelMusic wrote:
I have read the OP and the entire thread and I believe you have made an error. The word "Academy" implies a school or some kind of training or development. However your requirements to join make it very clear that you essentially already have to be a superstar to gain any value out of this association. Do you intend on taking a "good" player of say, I don't know, Destiny's caliber and turning him into Idra? If so who is going to do the coaching because no one in vVv has done anything worthy enough to call themselves qualified. Not to mention the fact that if someone were of said skill level, odds are they would prefer joining a team straight up and developing via practice instead of getting some phony b-tag rating where they have to jump through hoops at great personal expense. So really, what are you providing to potential applicants? OP suggests that you will be "eligible" to receive Steelseries equipment. Eligible? ELIGIBLE?!? You won't even commit to giving away a crappy keyboard and a mouse pad? This whole thing is a joke in my opinion from beginning to end. Proving yet again that vVv just doesn't get it. Back to the drawing board, boys. This is spot on in my eyes, great post. This was the first odd thing that you noticed about their post?
How about the fact that they are posting a thing like this in the normal forums instead of the sponsor forums. Or the fact that they decide to post their application process and what rules you must follow instead of all the great benefits you will get if you join. I mean you can get all this information on their homepage, why not used a sponsored thread trying to hype it instead, they should take lessons from InControl, he knows how to do this properly. /my post TL;DR, this is a TL;DR for the thread :D
I take exception to your selective quoting of my post. Taking that paragraph out of context is highly unprofessional and I hope you take more care in the future not to misquote people.
You may also want to be more balanced in your future reporting on threads, as there were a number of people accusing vVv of exploiting potential academy members and generally talking trash about the organization. Where is your selective quoting of those posts?
For reference here is the post I was responding to:
I have read the OP and the entire thread and I believe you have made an error. The word "Academy" implies a school or some kind of training or development. However your requirements to join make it very clear that you essentially already have to be a superstar to gain any value out of this association. Do you intend on taking a "good" player of say, I don't know, Destiny's caliber and turning him into Idra? If so who is going to do the coaching because no one in vVv has done anything worthy enough to call themselves qualified. Not to mention the fact that if someone were of said skill level, odds are they would prefer joining a team straight up and developing via practice instead of getting some phony b-tag rating where they have to jump through hoops at great personal expense. So really, what are you providing to potential applicants? OP suggests that you will be "eligible" to receive Steelseries equipment. Eligible? ELIGIBLE?!? You won't even commit to giving away a crappy keyboard and a mouse pad? This whole thing is a joke in my opinion from beginning to end. Proving yet again that vVv just doesn't get it. Back to the drawing board, boys.
Given what is said above, I feel my response was adequately measured and not at all out of line as a response to the general tone of this post.
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On August 14 2011 14:21 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:12 luckylefty wrote:On August 14 2011 10:47 RebelMusic wrote:
I have read the OP and the entire thread and I believe you have made an error. The word "Academy" implies a school or some kind of training or development. However your requirements to join make it very clear that you essentially already have to be a superstar to gain any value out of this association. Do you intend on taking a "good" player of say, I don't know, Destiny's caliber and turning him into Idra? If so who is going to do the coaching because no one in vVv has done anything worthy enough to call themselves qualified. Not to mention the fact that if someone were of said skill level, odds are they would prefer joining a team straight up and developing via practice instead of getting some phony b-tag rating where they have to jump through hoops at great personal expense. So really, what are you providing to potential applicants? OP suggests that you will be "eligible" to receive Steelseries equipment. Eligible? ELIGIBLE?!? You won't even commit to giving away a crappy keyboard and a mouse pad? This whole thing is a joke in my opinion from beginning to end. Proving yet again that vVv just doesn't get it. Back to the drawing board, boys. This is spot on in my eyes, great post. This was the first odd thing that you noticed about their post? How about the fact that they are posting a thing like this in the normal forums instead of the sponsor forums. Or the fact that they decide to post their application process and what rules you must follow instead of all the great benefits you will get if you join. I mean you can get all this information on their homepage, why not used a sponsored thread trying to hype it instead, they should take lessons from InControl, he knows how to do this properly.
I agree that the OP was not very clear on the benefits of joining, and also that the requirement for activity was poorly thought out. There were internal reasons for making the definition so strict, but I am working behind the scenes to revise the definition to something more reasonable. Obviously we don't expect players to spend thousands of dollars to attend LANs (unless the want to).
The original intent was to provide an OPTION to drop players for inactivity IF NEEDED, not to punish players for not living up to impossible standards.
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Guys, this is not to join the actual vVv team, this is a training academy and if you do well then someday maybe you could get sponsored, just like the pro team. The idea is that by training with these guys they'd help you improve and maybe you're the next big SC2 talent and they pick you up and maybe you're not and they drop you.
Sugarbear: vVv is expecting people to pay money, not *to* vVv but to hotels and airlines etc. to get to these major LAN events. The expectation for a student who's just begun training at your academy (even for several months) to go to even half of just the MLG events is way too high, imo. I don't know what your place in the organization is but I really think you should talk with the higher-ups (or your fellows if you are a higher-up) about this LAN *requirement*. Some people just can't afford to and you'd be missing out on a large swath of what could be the "next big SC2 talent".
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So you want us to drop our longstanding loyal sponsored players to pick up an Academy player because they did *almost* as good at a LAN? Or if we have one player who has been committed and represented vVv for years and someone from the Academy places equal at an MLG we should drop the sponsored player to pick up the Academy player?
Like I said, obviously the Academy players would have to outperform the sponsored players in order to get picked up.
being a successful organization isnt about sticking with the same players because they are loyal no matter their results. if you can replace your current players with better players then you should do so -- if you want to make a more successful team. if you are just into helping out people who are nice and are pretty good then stick with who you have.
but to say that academy players actually have to OUTPERFORM your sponsored players just to join the team completely goes against the point of what an academy is as we know it.
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On August 14 2011 15:24 TheTrueAmerican wrote:Show nested quote +
So you want us to drop our longstanding loyal sponsored players to pick up an Academy player because they did *almost* as good at a LAN? Or if we have one player who has been committed and represented vVv for years and someone from the Academy places equal at an MLG we should drop the sponsored player to pick up the Academy player?
Like I said, obviously the Academy players would have to outperform the sponsored players in order to get picked up.
being a successful organization isnt about sticking with the same players because they are loyal no matter their results. if you can replace your current players with better players then you should do so -- if you want to make a more successful team. if you are just into helping out people who are nice and are pretty good then stick with who you have. but to say that academy players actually have to OUTPERFORM your sponsored players just to join the team completely goes against the point of what an academy is as we know it.
That's not what he means at all...
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