EPTDid your CSS team join for free? No because they were top players/team. You prolluy had to pay league fees and server. Skill isn't free.
vVv Academy Re Launches - Page 11
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deathr0w
United States114 Posts
Did your CSS team join for free? No because they were top players/team. You prolluy had to pay league fees and server. Skill isn't free. | ||
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KoDo
United States683 Posts
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:35 KoDo wrote: this seems quite pretentious on vVv's part. they really aren't quite on the same level as say an EG who could maybe pull this off without paying for lan expenses (even though they could obviously afford it) because their players are actually iconic and looked up to by high level players . i dont see why anyone would do this...seems like no risk for vVv just publicity. EG doesn't have any high level players.... User was warned for this post | ||
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pyaar
United States423 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:38 Peterblue wrote: EG doesn't have any high level players.... What? | ||
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MileyCyrus
United States285 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:09 RoboBob wrote: So I looked up VVV on TLPD. Only 3 out of 15 members went to MLG Anaheim. None of them made it out of the open bracket, or even the playoff to get out of the open bracket. None of them has placed highly at any MLG/IEM/Dreamhack. Most of them have only placed top3 in maybe 1 or 2 Go42 cups in the past year. Or less. Not sure why you have higher expectations for your Academy B team players. 100% of your A team doesn't meet those standards. (unless you consider dropping out in Round 4 of loser's bracket performing "well") The top30 of MLG Anaheim were players already on sponsered teams that do reimburse traveling costs. Might want to do a bit of research, i was one of those at Anaheim. Im not on the A-team, i went for fun. Might want to do some research on the other people who wore the vVv tag there as well ^_^ | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:08 Sadistx wrote: Maybe then the OP should be worded differently. It seems like you guys are willing to provide gear and community financial assistance (like room sharing) for the most dedicated members of the academy. The opening post should reflect possible cost sharing between members. How low are we talking about? I haven't seen any vVv members at Dreamhack or Assembly or WCG yet, so why is it being asked for of the academy members? It's not my decision who stays in the academy or not, but I would be surprised if low attendance meant something other than consistently missing local LANs / MLGs. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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BroboCop
United States373 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:38 Peterblue wrote: EG doesn't have any high level players.... now vvv members can acctually cite trolling (don't forget to use mla/apa guys). b/c clearly idra and puma are terrible. oh wait, puma just smashed through the open bracket of the nasl tourny defeating 3?4?5?6? korean pros many code s/a, then defeating ret, squirtle, someone, mc to take $50k. and as of late some of the other eg members haven't been putting up the best results, however, earlier in sc2 they did--some people have slumps, that is not to say that maybe their "golden-days" are over but if you honestly believe that team eg doesn't have players with skill and or potential, i don't even know how to respond or what to say. | ||
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KoDo
United States683 Posts
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celious
United States195 Posts
But to those that are saying the players would gain nothing thats just silly, think about it. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:09 RoboBob wrote: So I looked up VVV on TLPD. Only 3 out of 15 members went to MLG Anaheim. None of them made it out of the open bracket, or even the playoff to get out of the open bracket. None of them has placed highly at any MLG/IEM/Dreamhack. Most of them have only placed top3 in maybe 1 or 2 Go42 cups in the past year. Or less. Not sure why you have higher expectations for your Academy B team players. 100% of your A team doesn't meet those standards. (unless you consider dropping out in Round 4 of loser's bracket performing "well") The top30 of MLG Anaheim were players already on sponsered teams that do reimburse traveling costs. The requirements you're speaking of would be the requirements for moving onto the sponsored team. Of course you would have to do better than the currently sponsored players to earn a spot on the sponsored team... | ||
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KoDo
United States683 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:09 RoboBob wrote: So I looked up VVV on TLPD. Only 3 out of 15 members went to MLG Anaheim. None of them made it out of the open bracket, or even the playoff to get out of the open bracket. None of them has placed highly at any MLG/IEM/Dreamhack. Most of them have only placed top3 in maybe 1 or 2 Go42 cups in the past year. Or less. Not sure why you have higher expectations for your Academy B team players. 100% of your A team doesn't meet those standards. (unless you consider dropping out in Round 4 of loser's bracket performing "well") The top30 of MLG Anaheim were players already on sponsered teams that do reimburse traveling costs. ^ gg no re | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:08 duk3 wrote: You told rei that he should be more intelligent, that sounds like calling someone stupid. Any community where trolls outnumber the good posters isn't a good community, fortunately, TL isn't one of those. Maybe you should have worded the original post better to avoid all these unfortunate misunderstandings. If you feel that TL is not a good community that's unfortunate, I disagree. It has it's share of poor posters but for a community this large I think they do fairly well. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:45 KoDo wrote: my point is people would be excited at the prospect of being on a team or playing/practicing with people like idra, puma, or demuslim...if you look @ vVv's roster it doesn't really compare. i dont know why you would pay that much money to play with them. if you're at the GM level, you'd meet atleast similar players on ladder? We aren't asking people for money to play with us.. I don't know why this idea is so commonly promulgated throughout this thread. | ||
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duk3
United States807 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:53 SugarBear wrote: If you feel that TL is not a good community that's unfortunate, I disagree. It has it's share of poor posters but for a community this large I think they do fairly well. SugarBear, did you read my post? Because it says that TL isn't a bad community. May I refer you to battle.net? | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:14 MannerMan wrote: Clearly what vVv guy is missing is that if someone is good enough to crush it at MLG or these other live events they will already be sponsored by a real team who pays for their players. I think this is the major disconnect throughout this entire thread. If you are already good enough to crush at an MLG then please apply to be a sponsored player, don't bother wasting your time with the academy. If someone isn't at that level yet they will grind online until they are good enough to get a sponsor who will send them to those events. There is more to being good than grinding games, and the Academy team offers you the chance to learn what those are and assistance with developing those areas. If the player doesn't practice enough he will be wasting his money because he will lose and not gain the sponsorship, and if he has practiced enough he will be wasting his money because he could be sponsored by a team who pays his fees. If you aren't going to practice then you shouldn't be a part of the Academy. If you do well as a result of practicing you will not have to worry about vVv not covering your expenses. See vVvReo. One last thought: The people in this thread who say "if you don't think it is a good deal then don't apply, but stop criticizing" are kind of a joke. This is a public forum, in a forum someone posts something to the readership and those people give their thoughts on the matter. Some may apply, some may say it is great, and some may say they think it is stupid, but that is the point. I agree. There has been a mix of good feedback and trolling in this thread, and I respect and appreciate those of you who have provided constructive feedback. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:32 deathr0w wrote: Actually the way you're trying to recruit is horrid. You can't give people nothing to represent you. I've been on 50calibre, mainLine, Icons of Vanity, Mobility for Quake Live and they all help in some way if I wanted to go to a lan. The way you expect it and think anyone who will rep an org for free is kind of idiotic. No one who has the potential IE: Masters/GM would join an org for free or if they do they have low standards. Did your CSS team join for free? No because they were top players/team. You prolluy had to pay league fees and server. Skill isn't free. The role of the sponsored team is to represent vVv gaming. The Academy team will also represent us to a certain extent, but clearly the intent for the Academy is to provide an environment to help develop players. vVv never had a CSS team. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:58 duk3 wrote: SugarBear, did you read my post? Because it says that TL isn't a bad community. May I refer you to battle.net? Well you kept suggesting that TL was a bad community. Those are not my thoughts on TL so they must have come from you. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:41 SugarBear wrote: It's not my decision who stays in the academy or not, but I would be surprised if low attendance meant something other than consistently missing local LANs / MLGs. To add to this, obviously if we have two players of equivalent skill and one is attending MLGs and other LANs regularly, and the other has yet to attend an event, we would favor the player representing vVv over the one who is not. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:47 SugarBear wrote: The requirements you're speaking of would be the requirements for moving onto the sponsored team. Of course you would have to do better than the currently sponsored players to earn a spot on the sponsored team... Wait what? Why "of course you would have to do better than the currently sponsored players to earn a spot on the team"?? That doesnt really make sense , especially in a VVV academy setting where the players are up and comers looking to improve. How are they supposed to improve if they are already supposed to be better than the players they are training with at the academy? This seems screwed up, so you have to outperform everyone on the VVV team to even get a spot , even though that shouldnt be too hard considering their results, its ridiculous that they have higher expectations of someone who isnt sponsored / has to pay their own way to lans, then they do of people who are already sponsored on their team. That seems totally backwards. | ||
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