Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 93

On August 12 2011 15:33 Defacer wrote:


LOL. Combat ex, is that you?

Troll another tournament, buddy.

On August 12 2011 15:35 Volvograd12 wrote:


You are comparing the GSL to NASL?

LAUGH.

GSL is actually reputable, and if you followed Ming Chul's twitter he has already spent a great deal of his hard earned cash.

NASL is very nefarious in its dealings.

On August 12 2011 15:34 taLbuk wrote:


According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing

I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food.

On August 12 2011 15:34 taLbuk wrote:


According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing

I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food.

On August 12 2011 15:36 theBizness wrote:


Ah, but what you don't understand is GSL is the big leagues, while NASL isn't - therein lies the difference.

On August 12 2011 15:34 taLbuk wrote:


According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing

I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food.

On August 12 2011 15:37 anrimayu wrote:
Partly translated from http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=

The reasoning behind this Koreans deciding not to participate
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First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500.

Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning.

The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it.

Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port.

NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money.

Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money.

On August 12 2011 15:37 taLbuk wrote:


Eh? I'm quite aware GSL is the big leagues and NASL is not, that has nothing to do with the monetary expenses towards the events.

On August 12 2011 15:37 anrimayu wrote:
Partly translated from http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=

The reasoning behind this Koreans deciding not to participate
.
First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500.

Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning.

The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it.

Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port.

NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money.

Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money.

On August 12 2011 15:33 Fission wrote:
If its true that NASL has not paid back deposits or prize money and that they are misrepresenting the stipend amount by wrapping it up with the minimum prize money, then I think this post should be Mod Edited to reflect the truth.

On August 12 2011 14:55 dormer wrote:


The NASL does not qualify as "the big scene." It's one tournament. It's not the global center of the SC2 scene. What he said doesn't apply here.

On August 12 2011 15:28 SovereignT wrote:

Warn or not, this person hit it on the head. If they're going to be so ridiculous in their demands, fuck em.

Really pathetic that they won't make an effort to get out and spread the game to other areas outside of Korea. I'm aware that a select few korean players go to a tiny handful of other events, but if they don't start getting out of their dark caves soon, my interest, and I assume therefore that possibly some other people's interest, will rapidly decline.

NASL went far above and beyond what should have been necessary in being accommodating, as well as being perhaps overly generous in their offers. Sounds to me like the koreans don't deserve the prize money anyway.

Obviously starcraft won't up and die tomorrow because of this. But I must say, such a lack of effort to support the game in other areas is going to seriously hurt this game's chances of continuing its growth, or perhaps of even maintaining its current popularity. I'm sure it's difficult to travel, but them's the breaks when you play an e-sport like SC.

Gonna repeat a previous opinion: $2500 minimum for each korean player is stupidly generous. Screw em.

(On a side note, I use the term "koreans" in an overly generalized manner. I'm sure there were some koreans who disagreed with this decision, but since the article seems to refer to korea as a whole, I did the same to save time. Just a disclaimer for those nit-pickers out there.)

On August 12 2011 15:42 Unidus wrote:
Personally I am tired of hearing about Koreans. I watch GSL for Korean matches. I want to see players like Incontrol, Idra, Catz in the finals of NASL and other NA tournaments. I think that the lesser amount of top Koreans at NASL will be a good thing. A lot of the foreigners look at the brackets and see MC, Moon, and the top Koreans and think to themselves "oh great I have no chance at winning the tournament. This causes them to slack off and provide subpar results.

Think of it as a 1 on 1 basketball tournament and players looking at the bracket and seeing Michael Jordan, Kobe, Lebron on it. The other players know they have little chance at beating them so why the heck would they even put in the effort or practice.

On August 12 2011 15:34 taLbuk wrote:


According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing

I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food.

On August 12 2011 15:35 windsupernova wrote:


Well, I don't know if what that guy posted is true or fully understood by me and google translate.

But to be fair regarding GSL, GSL is backed up by a lot of well known corporations while... a lot of the stuff behind the NASL is still not quite clear. I can see why someone might be more reserved regarding NASL

On August 12 2011 15:35 BackSideAttack wrote:


This is very wrong and here's why. NASL stands for North American Star League. There's is no correlation between its name and the idea that the tournament is meant for foreigners only. Foreigners, when used in the context of Starcraft, implies everyone not Korean. Thus, such a term includes Europeans and Taiwanese players. The only player limitation you can deduce SOLELY based on its name is that ONLY NORTH AMERICAN players could play.