| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
Kush74
Canada17 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:33 Defacer wrote: LOL. Combat ex, is that you? Troll another tournament, buddy. I'm only stating facts i'm not trolling. The post made by NASL is very misleading and only presents information that benefits them | ||
|
taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:35 Volvograd12 wrote: You are comparing the GSL to NASL? LAUGH. GSL is actually reputable, and if you followed Ming Chul's twitter he has already spent a great deal of his hard earned cash. NASL is very nefarious in its dealings. Dude, you made an account just to post 6 condescending replies in this thread, and manage to country bash while your at it? | ||
|
theBizness
United States696 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:34 taLbuk wrote: According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food. Ah, but what you don't understand is GSL is the big leagues, while NASL isn't - therein lies the difference. | ||
|
Volvograd12
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:34 taLbuk wrote: According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food. The GSL provides you free housing, you have to buy food, which is dirt cheap and healthy. Where is the NASL free housing? | ||
|
anrimayu
United States875 Posts
The reasoning behind this Koreans deciding not to participate . First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500. Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning. The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it. Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port. NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money. Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money. | ||
|
taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:36 theBizness wrote: Ah, but what you don't understand is GSL is the big leagues, while NASL isn't - therein lies the difference. Eh? I'm quite aware GSL is the big leagues and NASL is not, that has nothing to do with the monetary expenses towards the events. to the two people who responded , just going to edit to let you know im not the guy last page arguing the difference, im saying according to the article, the MONETARY aspect of the trade-off is fairly equal when comparing korea to NASL expense to MLG to GSL expense, thats it, stop taking what im saying out of context | ||
|
Slider954
United States342 Posts
| ||
|
Kush74
Canada17 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:34 taLbuk wrote: According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food. They also provide foreigners with practice houses and places to sleep during their stay. | ||
|
Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:37 anrimayu wrote: Partly translated from http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= The reasoning behind this Koreans deciding not to participate . First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500. Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning. The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it. Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port. NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money. Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money. Rofl nasl, stay clasy | ||
|
theBizness
United States696 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:37 taLbuk wrote: Eh? I'm quite aware GSL is the big leagues and NASL is not, that has nothing to do with the monetary expenses towards the events. With the GSL being the big leagues, it's less about what they can do for you and more about you wanting to actually compete against the best. They shouldn't really have to do much to "entice' people to participate. Also, as it's been stated, NASL isn't offering extra but rather adjusting the prize money. In some areas, they are offering less, and we're just talking money. If you want to talk about prestige etc. it's no comparison. | ||
|
Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
| ||
|
Volvograd12
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:37 anrimayu wrote: Partly translated from http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= The reasoning behind this Koreans deciding not to participate . First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500. Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning. The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it. Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port. NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money. Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money. You, my friend deserve acclaim and respect. This man speaks truth. | ||
|
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:33 Fission wrote: If its true that NASL has not paid back deposits or prize money and that they are misrepresenting the stipend amount by wrapping it up with the minimum prize money, then I think this post should be Mod Edited to reflect the truth. NASL already addressed this. The terms in their contract is 60 days after the event. Most invoices and payments in NA are paid in 30 days, which is standard, however it is not abnormal for payments to take longer for small or mid-size business. Waiting 60 days before refunding deposits or paying out prize money is neither unfair or extraordinary in anyway. People are just trying to invent controversy. Edit: one douchebag is trying to create controversy. | ||
|
xlnt
Sweden106 Posts
NASL Season 2 is still gonna rock I feel, just sad that we won't see any "koreans" there, even though most of them didn't even prepare for their matches. : [ | ||
|
lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:55 dormer wrote: The NASL does not qualify as "the big scene." It's one tournament. It's not the global center of the SC2 scene. What he said doesn't apply here. The face that its one tourny makes it even worse. What Mr.chae said was in response to foreigners not coming to korea for months to compete in the GSL (one tourny) Now koreans won't come to america for 3 days to win the same amount of money as GSL, are you saying they would come live in America for a league if it had a bigger prize pool? | ||
|
anrimayu
United States875 Posts
| ||
|
Unidus
United States24 Posts
Think of it as a 1 on 1 basketball tournament and players looking at the bracket and seeing Michael Jordan, Kobe, Lebron on it. The other players know they have little chance at beating them so why the heck would they even put in the effort or practice. | ||
|
Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:28 SovereignT wrote: Warn or not, this person hit it on the head. If they're going to be so ridiculous in their demands, fuck em. Really pathetic that they won't make an effort to get out and spread the game to other areas outside of Korea. I'm aware that a select few korean players go to a tiny handful of other events, but if they don't start getting out of their dark caves soon, my interest, and I assume therefore that possibly some other people's interest, will rapidly decline. NASL went far above and beyond what should have been necessary in being accommodating, as well as being perhaps overly generous in their offers. Sounds to me like the koreans don't deserve the prize money anyway. Obviously starcraft won't up and die tomorrow because of this. But I must say, such a lack of effort to support the game in other areas is going to seriously hurt this game's chances of continuing its growth, or perhaps of even maintaining its current popularity. I'm sure it's difficult to travel, but them's the breaks when you play an e-sport like SC. Gonna repeat a previous opinion: $2500 minimum for each korean player is stupidly generous. Screw em. (On a side note, I use the term "koreans" in an overly generalized manner. I'm sure there were some koreans who disagreed with this decision, but since the article seems to refer to korea as a whole, I did the same to save time.  Just a disclaimer for those nit-pickers out there.)Yeah, grab your pitchfork before you've heard the other side of the argument. Never mind the fact that NASL has thus far been far and above the sketchiest SC2 event ever, or that Koreans have attended numerous foreign events with zero drama, and without the tournament hosters having to empty their coffers to pay for things. On August 12 2011 15:42 Unidus wrote: Personally I am tired of hearing about Koreans. I watch GSL for Korean matches. I want to see players like Incontrol, Idra, Catz in the finals of NASL and other NA tournaments. I think that the lesser amount of top Koreans at NASL will be a good thing. A lot of the foreigners look at the brackets and see MC, Moon, and the top Koreans and think to themselves "oh great I have no chance at winning the tournament. This causes them to slack off and provide subpar results. Think of it as a 1 on 1 basketball tournament and players looking at the bracket and seeing Michael Jordan, Kobe, Lebron on it. The other players know they have little chance at beating them so why the heck would they even put in the effort or practice. That's nice, but pretty sure 98% of people would rather see Jordan, Kobe and Lebron play rather than some no names. Also, if they 'don't try because they feel they have no chance,' that's honestly a pretty pathetic mindset and I highly doubt that's the case. | ||
|
tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:34 taLbuk wrote: According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food. I believe MLG exchange and other GOM sanctioned events like Road To GSL also offer room and board at the GOM house. For the duration of their stay. Which is generally more than 3 days. Not to mention, at least the people at GOM go out of their way to schedule for foreigners? When's the last time NASL did anything along the lines of reorganizing an entire group of players so that 4 people could attend other events? Not to mention, at least foreigners competing in GSL are on even footing. They don't have to play handicapped with extra latency and piss poor time slots. On August 12 2011 15:35 windsupernova wrote: Well, I don't know if what that guy posted is true or fully understood by me and google translate. But to be fair regarding GSL, GSL is backed up by a lot of well known corporations while... a lot of the stuff behind the NASL is still not quite clear. I can see why someone might be more reserved regarding NASL I think we need an official translation of this article... On August 12 2011 15:35 BackSideAttack wrote: This is very wrong and here's why. NASL stands for North American Star League. There's is no correlation between its name and the idea that the tournament is meant for foreigners only. Foreigners, when used in the context of Starcraft, implies everyone not Korean. Thus, such a term includes Europeans and Taiwanese players. The only player limitation you can deduce SOLELY based on its name is that ONLY NORTH AMERICAN players could play. The only thing we can deduce from NASL is that it's a starleague in North America lol. Because even without any Koreans, it's still FAR from a North Americans only tournament. And I'm pretty sure such a tournament would not make for great viewership numbers. | ||
|
bgrN.
Sweden66 Posts
| ||
| ||
|
|
PiGosaur Monday
GSL Code S
Cure vs Zoun
Solar vs Creator
The PondCast
Road to EWC
Online Event
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
HupCup
Road to EWC
Road to EWC
GSL Code S
GuMiho vs Bunny
ByuN vs SHIN
Road to EWC
[ Show More ] |
|
|
EPT
