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HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
August 12 2011 06:49 GMT
#1881
I think it's up to the koreans to choose if they want to travel abroad to NASL. You're all acting like entitled babies, even paying 500$ is generous from NASL but who cares if the sum is 5000$? There might be other motives, the strain that travelling does to you, the bad shape you get in from travelling and being jetlagged etc. It's all fair, and we will still see korean players at the event...

I don't understand why this has to be the biggest deal.
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
August 12 2011 06:49 GMT
#1882
It's already been stated by NASL that deposits are being returned and some have already. So that is contradictory, or old information. Cutting cheques, getting them to the correct people etcetera does take time. Tournament payouts often take time, we haven't even reached 3 months where other tournaments have taken years. There was a whole article on the different tournaments and how long they take. IIRC GSL itself was in the 6-9month range.

There is more to the story here. But from what we know so far I think SC2Con is demanding too much and were seeing with $$$ signs. There are reasons for players/teams to not want to participate. But for an organization to just say no and not leave it in the hands of the teams, players and sponsors seems very Kespa-ish to me.
Ansalem
Profile Joined November 2010
564 Posts
August 12 2011 06:50 GMT
#1883
The Korean response didn't really say much that the NASL didn't post or comment about in this thread already
Kush74
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada17 Posts
August 12 2011 06:50 GMT
#1884
On August 12 2011 15:46 Von wrote:
More power to NASL and the West. Nothing personal and no disrespect to the Koreans:

But we don't need them. The level of players here is sick. The games will still be great.

It's about time we stop referring to all non-Koreans in this game as 'foreigners'.

Why are people still using that term? It's 2011. They don't own this sport.

This news is a big step in the direction of stepping up and losing that tired label.


Thats why almost every foreigners lost in NASL round of 16 right?

Thats why top 6 MLG finish was koreans right?

Honestly when i watch koreans gamers play and watch other tournaments I can clearly see the difference in the quality of games....

No disrespect to non-Korean players, but games with korean pros are just simply better.
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 12 2011 06:50 GMT
#1885
On August 12 2011 15:48 kinetic_skink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:41 Defacer wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:33 Fission wrote:
If its true that NASL has not paid back deposits or prize money and that they are misrepresenting the stipend amount by wrapping it up with the minimum prize money, then I think this post should be Mod Edited to reflect the truth.


NASL already addressed this. The terms in their contract is 60 days after the event.

Most invoices and payments in NA are paid in 30 days, which is standard, however it is not abnormal for payments to take longer for small or mid-size business.

Waiting 60 days before refunding deposits or paying out prize money is neither unfair or extraordinary in anyway. People are just trying to invent controversy.

Edit: one douchebag is trying to create controversy.


Some would say requiring deposits from top players is abnormal in the first place.


Some would say pulling your players out of a league after they've already qualified and after said league has already made up the schedule and started filming matches is abnormal.
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Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
August 12 2011 06:51 GMT
#1886
On August 12 2011 15:48 kinetic_skink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:41 Defacer wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:33 Fission wrote:
If its true that NASL has not paid back deposits or prize money and that they are misrepresenting the stipend amount by wrapping it up with the minimum prize money, then I think this post should be Mod Edited to reflect the truth.


NASL already addressed this. The terms in their contract is 60 days after the event.

Most invoices and payments in NA are paid in 30 days, which is standard, however it is not abnormal for payments to take longer for small or mid-size business.

Waiting 60 days before refunding deposits or paying out prize money is neither unfair or extraordinary in anyway. People are just trying to invent controversy.

Edit: one douchebag is trying to create controversy.


Some would say requiring deposits from top players is abnormal in the first place.

Others would say that some of those top players missed matches which was the very reason for the deposits in the first place.
This is the tale of Captain Jack Sparrow!
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
August 12 2011 06:51 GMT
#1887
On August 12 2011 15:46 Von wrote:
More power to NASL and the West. Nothing personal and no disrespect to the Koreans:

But we don't need them. The level of players here is sick. The games will still be great.

It's about time we stop referring to all non-Koreans in this game as 'foreigners'.

Why are people still using that term? It's 2011. They don't own this sport.

This news is a big step in the direction of stepping up and losing that tired label.



Actually the level of skill here PALES in comparison to the Korean scene. I have no clue what world you live in.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 06:52:24
August 12 2011 06:52 GMT
#1888
On August 12 2011 15:49 latan wrote:
it's good decision by the koreans, NASL as an organization (if it can even be called that), seems dodgy, suspicions of it being nothing but a scam can't be dispelled yet.

And i don't find their demands being too unreasonable, but could be either way. a good organization would arrange for expenses to be covered. a not so good one would warn beforehand that competitors would have to arrange for themselves (limiting the quality of competitors) but that would still be fair game. a bit of a shit move by the koreans to wait so long for the move, seems like they're just asking for the prizes to be paid before contracting them into another season, but we don't know the full story anyway.


You really don't see anything wrong with SC2Con demanding unlimited travel expenses?

Whose to say whether players won't book luxury suites and dine out at expensive restaurants every night?
Kush74
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada17 Posts
August 12 2011 06:52 GMT
#1889
Amount of money NASL made by bringing korean players and making high quality stream unavailable to viewers who didnt pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What korean players are asking

So who's greedy here?
Volvograd12
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation19 Posts
August 12 2011 06:52 GMT
#1890
On August 12 2011 15:49 latan wrote:
it's good decision by the koreans, NASL as an organization (if it can even be called that), seems dodgy, suspicions of it being nothing but a scam can't be dispelled yet.

And i don't find their demands being too unreasonable, but could be either way. a good organization would arrange for expenses to be covered. a not so good one would warn beforehand that competitors would have to arrange for themselves (limiting the quality of competitors) but that would still be fair game. a bit of a shit move by the koreans to wait so long for the move, seems like they're just asking for the prizes to be paid before contracting them into another season, but we don't know the full story anyway.



Very constructive points, kudos to you, my friend.

The NASL producers are akin to nefarious bankers.

Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port.

NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money.

Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money.



http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=


Stay Classy, NASL.

User was warned for this post
Suck my Russian blank.
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
August 12 2011 06:52 GMT
#1891
On August 12 2011 15:52 Kush74 wrote:
Amount of money NASL made by bringing korean players and making high quality stream unavailable to viewers who didnt pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What korean players are asking

So who's greedy here?


Koreans

don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
August 12 2011 06:53 GMT
#1892
On August 12 2011 15:43 bgrN. wrote:
Well, CatZ will be happy atleast! :D

This is just what I was thinking haha.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
gogoplata
Profile Joined August 2011
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 06:54:31
August 12 2011 06:53 GMT
#1893
Interesting series of events.

- Have not paid the Korean players who participated in NASL Season 1
- Upped the deposit fee for Season 2 from $250 to $500
~ Use deposit for Season 2 to pay prize money and deposits from Season 1
~ Profit

Ponzi Scheme anyone?

~ annotates guess/opinion
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
August 12 2011 06:53 GMT
#1894
Good i wasn't watching the regular NASL season because of lag between the servers and I would never watch a game where the one player has delay and the other doesn't. This isn't a game this is a handicap match no thx. So now when i know it is fair and both players (EU and NA) have equal chances i might watch some games. I like that move.
+1 tournament for me
gehgrfhgrh
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany294 Posts
August 12 2011 06:53 GMT
#1895
But we don't need them. The level of players here is sick.


You're either not funny or really stupid! If you think NA "Top-Players" like KiwiKaki, SeleCt or IdrA are "sick" you should watch some games them playing koreans.

Everyone who gives money to NASL is pretty retarded if you can get nearly 3 GSLs for the same price. Sorry NASL, but GSL is the only league worth paying money for. The Production Quality of Foreign Tournaments is really bad or they aren't live.
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
August 12 2011 06:53 GMT
#1896
On August 12 2011 15:48 kinetic_skink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:41 Defacer wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:33 Fission wrote:
If its true that NASL has not paid back deposits or prize money and that they are misrepresenting the stipend amount by wrapping it up with the minimum prize money, then I think this post should be Mod Edited to reflect the truth.


NASL already addressed this. The terms in their contract is 60 days after the event.

Most invoices and payments in NA are paid in 30 days, which is standard, however it is not abnormal for payments to take longer for small or mid-size business.

Waiting 60 days before refunding deposits or paying out prize money is neither unfair or extraordinary in anyway. People are just trying to invent controversy.

Edit: one douchebag is trying to create controversy.


Some would say requiring deposits from top players is abnormal in the first place.


it's a measure to make people show up for matches instead of no showing once they're mathematically eliminated from NASL playoffs

anyways, if the Koreans are really citing not receiving back deposits and not receiving prize money as reasons for pulling out of NASL, then either they never bothered to read the contract terms or they are really inexperienced in how businesses operate

NASL has stated that their terms are 60 days. there aren't any grounds to complain about not receiving deposits or prize money until the 60 days have past.
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Volvograd12
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation19 Posts
August 12 2011 06:54 GMT
#1897
On August 12 2011 15:52 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:49 latan wrote:
it's good decision by the koreans, NASL as an organization (if it can even be called that), seems dodgy, suspicions of it being nothing but a scam can't be dispelled yet.

And i don't find their demands being too unreasonable, but could be either way. a good organization would arrange for expenses to be covered. a not so good one would warn beforehand that competitors would have to arrange for themselves (limiting the quality of competitors) but that would still be fair game. a bit of a shit move by the koreans to wait so long for the move, seems like they're just asking for the prizes to be paid before contracting them into another season, but we don't know the full story anyway.


You really don't see anything wrong with SC2Con demanding unlimited travel expenses?

Whose to say whether players won't book luxury suites and dine out at expensive restaurants every night?



That's not what they are demanding.

Please read, before you spout ignorance.

Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port.

NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money.

Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money.


http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=
Suck my Russian blank.
Kush74
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada17 Posts
August 12 2011 06:54 GMT
#1898
On August 12 2011 15:52 VillageBC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:52 Kush74 wrote:
Amount of money NASL made by bringing korean players and making high quality stream unavailable to viewers who didnt pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What korean players are asking

So who's greedy here?


Koreans


You must have no brain lol or its full of shit
Unidus
Profile Joined June 2011
United States24 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 06:54:47
August 12 2011 06:54 GMT
#1899
On August 12 2011 15:52 VillageBC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:52 Kush74 wrote:
Amount of money NASL made by bringing korean players and making high quality stream unavailable to viewers who didnt pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What korean players are asking

So who's greedy here?


Koreans



Pretty much. Why should we have to pay for them to come over here? You don't see them paying for people like Huk to come over to Korea. If they want to compete over here then pay for it themselves.
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
August 12 2011 06:54 GMT
#1900
Really really disappointing from the Koreans on this one. They are Starcraft players not rockstars, you can't demand the world.. $2000 seems like plenty to fall back on should you do badly at the finals and the prize pool is enormous, it makes no sense to me.
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