EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 97
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Krimancer
Sweden150 Posts
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Kush74
Canada17 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:01 VillageBC wrote: I think it's pretty reasonable compromise NASL offered. It's better deal then competing in Code A isn't it? You get a $1000 stipend, and we fund your trip from your first round ($1k) prize money. If a sponsor can't afford to send you, no problem we are paying for it. Their sponsors don't have to front any money and you get a chance to win $40k at nearly no expense. What makes you think they can just go in there and take the money. Only one player wins and rest of them end up losing a lot of money to go to some shitty tournament that has terrible management | ||
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EnOmy
Australia183 Posts
Edit: I feel I also need to concur with others in this thread that the plus side of this move is that we'll get to see more NA/EU players showing off their stuff. Still though, I think we (and certainly NASL) realise that the quality of play is almost assuredly going to decline. | ||
Waxangel
United States33680 Posts
It was pretty much just a gigantic criticism of the tournament without addressing the NASL's central point of contention, where the players signed up and then withdrew without much notice. | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:03 nihoh wrote: Never paid much attention to NASL, hardly a premier event with MLG, GSL and countless other tournaments. The koreans feel the same way I bet. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:00 Ocedic wrote: Because MLG is a big success, has a proven track record and an excellent businessman (Sundance) at the helm, while NASL is a shady organization run by amateurs? The ponzi scheme posted earlier is actually eerily plausible. For what reason did NASL increase the deposit for? This entire mess could have been avoided if they didn't do this. They increased the deposit because of the amount of walk overs that happened in season 1. They don't want that to happen again. And I don't understand how the Koreans are trying to use the deposit against them as every player, foreign or Korean has to pay the deposit. Its called treating players equally. Koreans seem to think they deserve special treatment. And they complain about not being paid yet when NASL told they within 60 days. Its been what, 30-40 days? Come on now. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:57 shadymmj wrote:Ask yourself, why are korean teams willing to send non invited players using their own $$$ to the MLG (a well run tournament) to compete, but not so for NASL? Perhaps they think the way the finals are set up is stupid. A single best of 3, you lose, goodbye, pack up, go home? Because the GSL and MLG are direct partners courtesy of the same people negotiating the NASL terms we're talking about now. Think about it.... | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:53 udgnim wrote: it's a measure to make people show up for matches instead of no showing once they're mathematically eliminated from NASL playoffs anyways, if the Koreans are really citing not receiving back deposits and not receiving prize money as reasons for pulling out of NASL, then either they never bothered to read the contract terms or they are really inexperienced in how businesses operate NASL has stated that their terms are 60 days. there aren't any grounds to complain about not receiving deposits or prize money until the 60 days have past. You make the false assumption that there ARE complaints. If I paid a deposit to lease my new apartment, then after the lease expired, they demanded a new deposit that is DOUBLE the amount of the original deposit, and haven't even given me back my original deposit yet (even if it were within the legal time limit,) sorry but fuck that. You bring up that NASL has technically done nothing wrong, well neither have the Koreans. All I see is that NASL for no reason decided to raise their deposit cost, which set this whole thing into motion to begin with. | ||
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latan
740 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:52 forgottendreams wrote: You really don't see anything wrong with SC2Con demanding unlimited travel expenses? Whose to say whether players won't book luxury suites and dine out at expensive restaurants every night? where in the world are you coming up with unlimited travel expenses? even the original post by NASL doesn't use that word, unlimited, it says 100% of travel and accommodation, this can be done in a number of ways. that just means buy or refund plane tickets and arrange, provide or refund accomodation. it really isn't that unreasonable, that is, if the NASL had money. | ||
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Volvograd12
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:00 Stiluz wrote: NASL's offer seemed very generous. It seems more like the Korean teams that withdrew almost didn't want to play  The reasoning behind the Koreans deciding not to participate. First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500. Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning. The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it. Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port. NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money. Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money. You are welcome. Source + Show Spoiler + http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:03 Kush74 wrote: What makes you think they can just go in there and take the money. Only one player wins and rest of them end up losing a lot of money to go to some shitty tournament that has terrible management Well for starters, only 8 players would be walking away with the $1000 in prize money. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
To add to the fact of the finals were just subpar, they lost many fans. | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:43 Volvograd12 wrote: You sound very ignorant of the true backdoor dealings that occurred. The reasoning behind this Koreans deciding not to participate First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500. Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning. The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it. Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port. NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money. Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money You are welcome. The article posted by thisisgame is stupidly sensationalist and should be ignored until SC2con makes its official statement. stop spamming this post. NASL already have made a statement saying the payouts happen 60 days after the event, and as someone pointed out, this is pretty normal for a small business in USA. They came to NASL event KNOWING NASL is only paying $500 in travel expenses; its their fault if they misjudged the actual cost and 500 didn't even cover half of it. NASL charging them 80 bucks is pretty messed up though, but really, that's just a small fault and should not be a reason for boycotting an entire tournament. NASL already stated that is the maximum they can afford in their budget. This is a relatively small operation compared to the likes of GSL/MLG etc. It costs the PLAYERS absolutely NOTHING to come to participate in the event if they take 1000 stipend and 1000 prize money they get for being in Ro16. The teams have absolutely no right to bar their players from participating if they want to. | ||
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
But by the word of them not having paid the deposit yet, I wonder if there actually was an established contract. On August 12 2011 16:00 Stiluz wrote: NASL's offer seemed very generous. It seems more like the Korean teams that withdrew almost didn't want to play Very generous? I'd think not. For any sports, if they are to invite a top class player, it is very common for them to not only cover the travel & accommodation expense, but pay a big sum of guarantee on top of that. The fact that NASL isn't even fully covering their travel expense (don't give me that $2000 thingie.. NASL's only offering to cover up to $1000 out of their own pocket). NASL are inviting Koreans for the sake of raising their tournament's value & reputation. If they can't afford to provide transportation & accommodation for big number of Korean players coming over, then they should lower the number of invitations and be ready to host them properly & accordingly. | ||
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gogoplata
2 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:04 Volvograd12 wrote: The reasoning behind the Koreans deciding not to participate. First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500. Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning. The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it. Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port. NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money. Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money. You are welcome. Source + Show Spoiler + http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= Hm, this is very interesting. I hope someone translates the whole article. I won't take a side till both are put forward. I'm still sad we won't get to see Optimus or MKP in Los Angeles. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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Andrew2658
United States356 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:04 Volvograd12 wrote: The reasoning behind the Koreans deciding not to participate. First, NASL demanded deposit of $250 per players back in April. For season 2, they doubled the deposit to $500. Second is about how players had to deal with ungodly lag and inconsistent schedule to compete at 4 in the morning. The grand final that took place in the States was even worse. The players had to pay out of their own pockets for food, hotel, and travelling fee. The $500 NASL promised to cover for the expense wasn't even enough to cover the half of it. Not only that, NASL charged players $80 when picking them up from the air port. NASL offered to pay $2000 for the travelling fee, at the cost of taking $1000 OUT of the prize money. Also, players who competed in season 1 still have not received any of their deposit or the prize money. You are welcome. Source + Show Spoiler + http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= You do know NASL stated they will pay within 60 days. Also they said they would waive the deposit for Korean players in this thread.They also said they covered the expenses of the Koreans for the grand final. Which included Airfare, taxi, hotel, and food. You need to stop trolling you are making yourself look very foolish. | ||
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