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oldtimessake
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (South)2 Posts
August 12 2011 06:16 GMT
#1801
Well u know what? Korean players hasnt even received security deposit and the reward yet.
big fan of BW, SC2
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 06:17:22
August 12 2011 06:16 GMT
#1802
On August 12 2011 15:11 MrBitter wrote:
This isn't the worst news in the world.

NASL season 2 will be a true representation of its namesake: A North American, foreigner only tournament.

In all honesty, this excites me a little. It should motivate foreign players to work a little harder (because winning is more attainable) and it will serve as a chance to showcase some of the top foreigner talent that we don't know as much about.

Obviously very sad that we'll have no Koreans, and will lose some quality, but its not all bad news.



Really MrBitter? (if its really you) I expected better of you, I guess all the EU players are now North Americans... and we will have a few Koreans, Rain, Puma, Hero so don't say there wont be any.
Best in the world at what I do
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 06:17:49
August 12 2011 06:16 GMT
#1803
On August 12 2011 15:16 Volvograd12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:13 Kush74 wrote:
NASL you should seriously take this post off. This is very misleading

First of all, Korean players havent gotten their deposit back from the first season yet!!

and NASL doubled their deposit.... Korean players feel that NASL used them to just make more

money. As a "Professional gamer" they feel like they are being disrespected by NASL since NO

OTHER TOURNAMENT ASK FOR DEPOSITS (and they still HAVENT GOTTEN THE MONEY BACK!!)

ON TOP OF THAT NASL STILL HASNT PAID THE PLAYERS THEIR PRIZE MONEY.... which is A FUCKING JOKE



This is probably the most constructive post in this entire debacle.
I completely agree with you mate.
NASL are making themselves look innocent.


good job trusting a freshly made 1 post account

and I just got trolled because I'm quoting a freshly made account agreeing with another freshly made account...
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Kush74
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada17 Posts
August 12 2011 06:17 GMT
#1804
On August 12 2011 15:15 polysciguy wrote:

NASL still hasnt paid their prize money and deposits back

They certainly deserve to get special treatment because they are the best player

without korean players NASL will just be a joke and profit will certainly go down.

forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 06:18:53
August 12 2011 06:17 GMT
#1805
On August 12 2011 15:13 Kush74 wrote:
NASL you should seriously take this post off. This is very misleading

First of all, Korean players havent gotten their deposit back from the first season yet!!

and NASL doubled their deposit.... Korean players feel that NASL used them to just make more

money. As a "Professional gamer" they feel like they are being disrespected by NASL since NO

OTHER TOURNAMENT ASK FOR DEPOSITS (and they still HAVENT GOTTEN THE MONEY BACK!!)

ON TOP OF THAT NASL STILL HASNT PAID THE PLAYERS THEIR PRIZE MONEY.... which is A FUCKING JOKE


You have to consider the fact NASL says it will pay the security deposits within the time stated in the contract, NASL is still within the 60 day limit to pay it back.

If they fail to pay the deposits however things will definitely change and I will stop supporting NASL.
deroth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
August 12 2011 06:18 GMT
#1806
On August 12 2011 15:11 MrBitter wrote:
This isn't the worst news in the world.

NASL season 2 will be a true representation of its namesake: A North American, foreigner only tournament.

In all honesty, this excites me a little. It should motivate foreign players to work a little harder (because winning is more attainable) and it will serve as a chance to showcase some of the top foreigner talent that we don't know as much about.

Obviously very sad that we'll have no Koreans, and will lose some quality, but its not all bad news.


Given the current gap between koreans and foreigners, the "top foreigner talent" isn't worth much. The gap is visibly so high atm that it's become hardly interesting to even watch foreigners play (I'm not counting the very best ones that can still compete with koreans, but those you can count on one hand).
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
August 12 2011 06:20 GMT
#1807
On August 12 2011 15:17 Kush74 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:15 polysciguy wrote:

NASL still hasnt paid their prize money and deposits back

They certainly deserve to get special treatment because they are the best player

without korean players NASL will just be a joke and profit will certainly go down.



Sorry.. but Link?
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
oldtimessake
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (South)2 Posts
August 12 2011 06:20 GMT
#1808
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=


read this (use google translator) and u guys will understand a litle bit
big fan of BW, SC2
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
August 12 2011 06:20 GMT
#1809
Personally I think it would be good to see the money flow into the NA or EU teams, by winning tournaments. If they do not earn money by playing there is less incentive to train hard.

I see this as a chance for NA / EU teams and will be watching the second season with great pleasure, I think.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
August 12 2011 06:21 GMT
#1810
On August 12 2011 15:07 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 14:54 CoR wrote:
the worst thing of all is the TIME
why the koreans not ask for this BEFORE qualifer ? why they kicked out some awesome gamers in the 1st round who have no chance now ?

thats whats makes me more angry then sad that they wait until start to get what they want


Think why from a business perspective from SC2Con. NASL encroaches upon viewership and expendable income viewers dedicate towards them (them being the GSL-MLG partnership), and gives a real possibility of stealing players away from the GSL if NASL continues to have more success.

1) Let the Korean players knock out a ton of foreigners (NA and EU) and qualify.
2) Let NASL hype it up and begin the Korean hype train
3) Make ridiculous demands like unlimited travel expenses a requirement and no security deposits
4) Leave NASL high and dry leaving a huge vaccuum of players no longer there anymore, and to add to it a vaccuum of a ton of foreign players that could've qualified.
5) Subscribers get angry at NASL and do not purchase season passes
6) NASL dies slowly as SC2Con continues to pressure Korean teams to not participate.

It's just cold hard business, and the Korean players nor the Korean team managers IMO should not be to blame, there's bigger forces at hand behind it.


This is pretty important to note. In the end, it's just business. For everyone chalking the Puma thing to being just business...well, here we go again.


On August 12 2011 15:05 anrimayu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 14:58 Rokk wrote:
This is a league, not a tournament, so adjust your prize pool to reflect that.


I think Puma has something to say about that.

Oh and for anyone who's wants to see underdogs/hidden talents rather than the big names:
NASL's invitation only format in season 1 prevented exactly that anyway.
There's many more Koreans who fit the criteria to be the next Puma, having skills but lack of stage experience keeping them from GSL spotlights and whatnot.


This. We have just seen mediocre Koreans trounce some of the best the foreign scene has to offer. There are many more of them languishing in Code A and B waiting for a chance to break through in the meat grinder that is GSL. If people want to see underdogs and hidden talents, it makes much more sense to look there.


On August 12 2011 15:10 DueSs wrote:
Edward Starcraft: "So you were talking about eSports and making sure Korea and the rest of the world is all part of one global community; how are you guys looking to exposing Korean players to more of the world?"

Mr. Chae: "Ah Yes, Korean Players.. exposing Korean players to more of the world .. the simple and best way is participating in all foreign tournaments.."

+ Show Spoiler +

Source


They do participate in just about every major foreign tournament now. NASL being what amounts to a full time league with the time commitment, I'm willing to give them an exception given the crap they had to deal with in season 1.


On August 12 2011 15:08 Zenic wrote:
I do understand this decision, playing in the middle of the night, with lag and travel around the world to play maybe only one bo3 on their own costs isn’t that great.
The NASL 1 finals had nine Koreans, looking at the Qualifiers there would be even more in the NASL 2 finals. This means the chance of getting a KvK in the Ro16 is quite high and every Korean (respectively their team) who gets eliminated in the Ro16 will make a deficit.


This is also true. Can you imagine if something like 14/16 finalists were Korean? "Ugh what the heck, I just invested 3 months of time and traveled half way across the world to play another code A match? fufufufufuffufufu"
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vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
August 12 2011 06:22 GMT
#1811
NASL say: top 4 koreans here take our money.
koreans : we dont want your prize money, we want travel stipend!!
seriously??????????

i think SC2con are scheming something, i think they are setting a example for the other tournaments.this is bad for small tournaments or future new tournaments. this need to stop
funny they didnt include MLG with their crappy prize pool. GSL+MLG partnership lol?
is GSL and MLG is part of this bullshit i hope not. glad that slayers is not part of this shit.
its like what Kespa did to GOM in BW, SC2CON(or kespa 2.0) is gonna kill NASL.
its like their trying to sell talents
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 12 2011 06:22 GMT
#1812
Lets please ignore the troll posts from the people (person) that have less than 10 posts to their name, who all started posting at the same time with all the same viewpoints...
Best in the world at what I do
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
August 12 2011 06:22 GMT
#1813
On August 12 2011 15:18 deroth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:11 MrBitter wrote:
This isn't the worst news in the world.

NASL season 2 will be a true representation of its namesake: A North American, foreigner only tournament.

In all honesty, this excites me a little. It should motivate foreign players to work a little harder (because winning is more attainable) and it will serve as a chance to showcase some of the top foreigner talent that we don't know as much about.

Obviously very sad that we'll have no Koreans, and will lose some quality, but its not all bad news.


Given the current gap between koreans and foreigners, the "top foreigner talent" isn't worth much. The gap is visibly so high atm that it's become hardly interesting to even watch foreigners play (I'm not counting the very best ones that can still compete with koreans, but those you can count on one hand).


On August 12 2011 15:16 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:11 MrBitter wrote:
This isn't the worst news in the world.

NASL season 2 will be a true representation of its namesake: A North American, foreigner only tournament.

In all honesty, this excites me a little. It should motivate foreign players to work a little harder (because winning is more attainable) and it will serve as a chance to showcase some of the top foreigner talent that we don't know as much about.

Obviously very sad that we'll have no Koreans, and will lose some quality, but its not all bad news.



Really MrBitter? (if its really you) I expected better of you, I guess all the EU players are now North Americans... and we will have a few Koreans, Rain, Puma, Hero so don't say there wont be any.


There is definitely a gap between foreigners and Koreans, but top guys are still quite good.

I'm not saying its good that the Koreans can't come. It's obviously not good when the champ can't show up for the title fight, but I don't think its the end of the world either.

I had an incredible time casting the Blizzcon EU Invitational which consisted 100% of top EU players. The games were all very close and the outcomes very exciting.

I enjoyed watching it. And I also felt like the fans related more with the games because they were all European too. Its fun to cheer for your hometown hero.

So while it is definitely a bummer that the very best players in the world can't attend, I do think that we will still get some very exciting games, and I love that we will be seeing foreigner vs foreigner the whole way through... If nothing else, it let's us conclusively answer the question of "who is the best non-Korean".
cdhstarbuck
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria84 Posts
August 12 2011 06:23 GMT
#1814
Isn't the SC2Con made up of players and managers? The way I remember it the captains of every team are representing the players in there. Which would mean that it also was the players choice not to go.
Software is like sex: it's better when it's free
Kush74
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada17 Posts
August 12 2011 06:24 GMT
#1815
Honestly NASL take this post off. You guys are just trying to make urselves look innocent by blaming Koreans.

They just realized that you guys are just trying to make money off of their quality performance....

They deserve better since they are in fact the best players in the world...
Roffu
Profile Joined April 2011
United States143 Posts
August 12 2011 06:24 GMT
#1816
I can see Kespa All over again.. this is bad for the viewers, and more so, in the long term for foreign players.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
August 12 2011 06:25 GMT
#1817
On August 12 2011 15:20 oldtimessake wrote:
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=


read this (use google translator) and u guys will understand a litle bit


Hmm, thanks. I semi understood what it meant but I'd rather comment on it until it gets translated, but yeah respect for backing up
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
annaky
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia2 Posts
August 12 2011 06:25 GMT
#1818
Look in the overall scheme of things it not that bad. At least it gives Non-Koreans a chance.

Surely that's a good thing.
Volvograd12
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation19 Posts
August 12 2011 06:26 GMT
#1819
On August 12 2011 15:22 vertical101 wrote:
NASL say: top 4 koreans here take our money.
koreans : we dont want your prize money, we want travel stipend!!
seriously??????????

i think SC2con are scheming something, i think they are setting a example for the other tournaments.this is bad for small tournaments or future new tournaments. this need to stop
funny they didnt include MLG with their crappy prize pool. GSL+MLG partnership lol?
is GSL and MLG is part of this bullshit i hope not. glad that slayers is not part of this shit.
its like what Kespa did to GOM in BW, SC2CON(or kespa 2.0) is gonna kill NASL.
its like their trying to sell talents


http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=

Read this. Use google translate if its in Korean.

Puma still hasn't been paid the 50k Grand Prize that the NASL promised.

2k isn't nearly enough to cover back to back flights from Korea to San Diego.

The deposits that the Koreans made hasn't even been returned yet.

Sounds like American Banksters to me.
Suck my Russian blank.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 06:28:41
August 12 2011 06:27 GMT
#1820
Except the top three non Koreans aren't playing either
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