EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 90
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Nowis0n
United States47 Posts
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:54 CoR wrote: the worst thing of all is the TIME why the koreans not ask for this BEFORE qualifer ? why they kicked out some awesome gamers in the 1st round who have no chance now ? thats whats makes me more angry then sad that they wait until start to get what they want  Think why from a business perspective from SC2Con. NASL encroaches upon viewership and expendable income viewers dedicate towards them (them being the GSL-MLG partnership), and gives a real possibility of stealing players away from the GSL if NASL continues to have more success. 1) Let the Korean players knock out a ton of foreigners (NA and EU) and qualify. 2) Let NASL hype it up and begin the Korean hype train 3) Make ridiculous demands like unlimited travel expenses a requirement and no security deposits 4) Leave NASL high and dry leaving a huge vaccuum of players no longer there anymore, and to add to it a vaccuum of a ton of foreign players that could've qualified. 5) Subscribers get angry at NASL and do not purchase season passes 6) NASL dies slowly as SC2Con continues to pressure Korean teams to not participate. It's just cold hard business, and the Korean players nor the Korean team managers IMO should not be to blame, there's bigger forces at hand behind it. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:04 Rokk wrote: There's a minimum extra you will earn for 16th place. But yeah, then you have to factor in the 9 weeks of waking up at the crack of dawn. I'm not disagreeing with their reasons or saying that they are BS, my issue is with their timing of when they decided to bring all this up, which was AFTER they had their players qualified for the season and NASL had made up the schedule. | ||
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Zenic
53 Posts
The NASL 1 finals had nine Koreans, looking at the Qualifiers there would be even more in the NASL 2 finals. This means the chance of getting a KvK in the Ro16 is quite high and every Korean (respectively their team) who gets eliminated in the Ro16 will make a deficit. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
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Firewood
Sweden49 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:03 Volvograd12 wrote: This is great news for Paulo 'CatZ' Vizcarra. Long time reader, first time poster. That was just the saddest thing i've watched on the internet for a while. | ||
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DueSs
United States765 Posts
Mr. Chae: "Ah Yes, Korean Players.. exposing Korean players to more of the world .. the simple and best way is participating in all foreign tournaments.." + Show Spoiler + | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:51 lim1017 wrote: Does anyone remember when one of the GSL guys (mr.chae?). Said if the scenes were reversed and the big scene was over here (which it is in this case) top players would come LIVE in america for the chance to compete. Now they won't even pay the costs over 2000? NASL is not the big scene though. Not in the sense of prize pool, nor in the sense of prestige, nor in the sense of competition. On August 12 2011 14:52 Ownos wrote: Gee I don't know. When the worker's union you're a part of goes on strike, I don't think they'd be very happy if you just ignored them and continue working. Except not every team is on SC2con. Not to mention, SC2con is basically the leaders of all the participating teams. In the end, it's a decision from those teams not to send players. Same with SlayerS. On August 12 2011 14:54 Zdravko wrote: I think this is really unfortunate, but also I think the blame should lie with SC2Con and not NASL. It sounds like NASL was pretty much blindsided with these new demands and they did what they could, within reason and time allotted, to accommodate the Korean teams. They even went as far as to propose a complete redistribution of the prize pool for the entire league so that they could more easily afford the trip. I would call the bending over backwards to accommodate them and it is a shame that, at least from the information that was presented, the Korean teams couldn't at least try to meet somewhere in the middle. I think this is actually a great opportunity for NASL to shine and I don't think that it cheapens the competition at all. I think it will prove that even if the Koreans aren't there, you can still have an incredibly high level of competition and have a really kick-ass tournament. When European basketball leagues have a tournament, they don't say, "Well, if the Americans aren't there, then it's not worth watching." Or when they have a soccer tournament in the US they don't say, "Well, the Brazilians aren't there, so it's not a real tournament." This is an amazing tournament with top tier competition and I don't think NASL should be denied that. So what if the winner of the tournament isn't objectively the "Best in the World"? They are the best in that tournament, and when you consider the level of competition there, that is still a damn fine achievement. Keep it up NASL! You guys had the stones to put together a first class foreign league dedicated to Starcraft II and I will continue to buy season tickets and support you! Wait, so by keeping the top of the competition out of the tournament, they are having top tier competition? No one is denying that it's a legitimate tournament, it's just sad that the best players won't be there. And to draw from sports, do soccer/football fans tune into MLS or do they tune into Premier League and the World Cup? On August 12 2011 14:59 Slider954 wrote: Its already been stated both by NASL and TL that a cost of a round trip ticket from Korea would be around 1200, really not that bad, all things considered. No it's not but again, that's assuming that they got through 3 months of disadvantaged play and that it didn't interfere with anything else. If you're a top player, would you rather spend the time prepping for GSL/attending foreign LANs with good prize pools/prepping for and playing NASL games with extra latency at 4am in the morning to maybe get a top 16 spot and then possibly get paid like $400 for the whole thing? Keep in mind that doing any one will negatively impact the other two. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
NASL season 2 will be a true representation of its namesake: A North American, foreigner only tournament. In all honesty, this excites me a little. It should motivate foreign players to work a little harder (because winning is more attainable) and it will serve as a chance to showcase some of the top foreigner talent that we don't know as much about. Obviously very sad that we'll have no Koreans, and will lose some quality, but its not all bad news. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:43 binkman wrote: Nowhere in the OP does it say that the koreans waited til the last second to bring this up, where is this information coming from? Koreans agreed to the season 1 conditions, and abided fully by them. Second season comes round and they want to negotiate some of the conditions. The two parties can't come to a 'reasonable' solution, so the Koreans say its a no-go. I don't understand where the unprofessional nature of what they did comes into this? Re-negotiating the contract at the end of the season seems like a pretty reasonable expectation to me, or were the Koreans hooked into that same contract indefinitely, until NASL folds? I am sure most people would prefer it that a more amicable solution was found that kept the Koreans in the NASL, but sometimes thats the way the cookie crumbles. OP says they already started filming when Koreans started complaining. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:57 theBizness wrote: I don't think people know realize how expensive round trip tickets are between Korea and the US, especially during busy travel times/on shorter notice. Also, there's the opportunity cost involved. I think most of the top teams/players would rather spend time preparing for the GSL unless there's a good incentive (most likely financial) to do otherwise. Kind of a crappy how it played out, but foreign players should be happy they might make some money. Expedia.com gives a range of $887 to $1540 with korean air (which I assume would be convienient for them) falling in at $1468 for the weekend after thanksgiving which would be my approx guess for when the finals would be, mabye a weekend later but that would only be cheaper considering the weekend I chose is a high traffic weekend. Look I realize there are variables I'm probably not considering but the meat of it is this. People keep acting like playing on a tournament for a chance at $40k even if your out in round 1 prize money is a wash after tickets is a huge waste of time. and I disagree. These guys are professional starcraft players have you seen the code a prize pool? the code b prize pool is a right to play for the code a prize pool. if your job is to play Starcraft, 1 series a week for a chance at 40k isn't a big deal. and a weekend business trip when your odds have increased to 1 in 16 for 40k should also be reasonable. lets not talk like these guys are doctors, this sort of thing is worth their time. | ||
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Excomm
United States152 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:13 Kush74 wrote: NASL you should seriously take this post off. This is very misleading First of all, Korean players havent gotten their deposit back from the first season yet!! and NASL doubled their deposit.... Korean players feel that NASL used them to just make more money. ON TOP OF THAT NASL STILL HASNT PAID THE PLAYERS THEIR PRIZE MONEY.... which is A FUCKING JOKE *edit - If this is true then that would explain this situation, but I don't think anyone would be playing in the tournament if that was the case. Also there is probably a payment deadline in the original contract and there is no problem if that deadline has not been reached. Seeing the contract would be helpful. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:11 Kavas wrote: That's because it's not a 2000 dollar stipend. It's 1000 stipend and 1000 from the player's own prize money. NASL has cleverly worded it so it seems what they're offering is generous but it's really not. So as a Korean pro I would have to endure 9 (days in 9) weeks of hiccups in my sleeping schedule to just compete. Assuming I get to Finals, I would have endure travel and jet lag, bad playing conditions (from what I gather from threads), and then more competition. Not only that but I would have provide for my own accommodations from my own prize money with absolutely no guarantee on the rest of the prize pool. So all in all, I'm only guaranteed an earning of ~400 U.S dollars for 9 weeks of work. No wonder the Koreans declined. I can earn more than that amount in that time period working part-time for McDonalds. Idra earns more than that for the amount he charges for his coaching for a single session. These conditions are completely unacceptable for a professional league, especially one claiming to be a future top league. but if you are good you can win 40k. ... tournaments for 99% not worth playing but you have a CHANCE a chance to win alot alot of money the condotions are not only acceptable, they are perfect! i mean if you wanna play in a soccer world championchip, your country better pay it or your league or whatever the fifa wont pay it for you its just normal .... you cant get a "free time come and get money" trip anywhere | ||
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Kush74
Canada17 Posts
First of all, Korean players havent gotten their deposit back from the first season yet!! and NASL doubled their deposit.... Korean players feel that NASL used them to just make more money. As a "Professional gamer" they feel like they are being disrespected by NASL since NO OTHER TOURNAMENT ASK FOR DEPOSITS (and they still HAVENT GOTTEN THE MONEY BACK!!) ON TOP OF THAT NASL STILL HASNT PAID THE PLAYERS THEIR PRIZE MONEY.... which is A FUCKING JOKE | ||
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deroth
United States83 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:10 DueSs wrote: Edward Starcraft: "So you were talking about eSports and making sure Korea and the rest of the world is all part of one global community; how are you guys looking to exposing Korean players to more of the world?" Mr. Chae: "Ah Yes, Korean Players.. exposing Korean players to more of the world .. the simple and best way is participating in all foreign tournaments.." + Show Spoiler + You... do know that even Xeris said that Mr Chae had nothing to do with the decision? | ||
polysciguy
United States488 Posts
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Kush74
Canada17 Posts
2000$ doesnt even cover the flight over to the states and taking money off of their winnings sounds pretty fucking ridiculous to me | ||
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Volvograd12
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:13 Kush74 wrote: NASL you should seriously take this post off. This is very misleading First of all, Korean players havent gotten their deposit back from the first season yet!! and NASL doubled their deposit.... Korean players feel that NASL used them to just make more money. As a "Professional gamer" they feel like they are being disrespected by NASL since NO OTHER TOURNAMENT ASK FOR DEPOSITS (and they still HAVENT GOTTEN THE MONEY BACK!!) ON TOP OF THAT NASL STILL HASNT PAID THE PLAYERS THEIR PRIZE MONEY.... which is A FUCKING JOKE This is probably the most constructive post in this entire debacle. I completely agree with you mate. NASL are making themselves look innocent. | ||
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