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Volvograd12
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:25 annaky wrote: Look in the overall scheme of things it not that bad. At least it gives Non-Koreans a chance. Surely that's a good thing. Actually it's going to hurt them. If you aren't competing with the best, you are not going to become the best. | ||
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SovereignT
United States28 Posts
On August 12 2011 08:12 StayFrosty wrote: fuck em User was warned for this post Warn or not, this person hit it on the head. If they're going to be so ridiculous in their demands, fuck em. Really pathetic that they won't make an effort to get out and spread the game to other areas outside of Korea. I'm aware that a select few korean players go to a tiny handful of other events, but if they don't start getting out of their dark caves soon, my interest, and I assume therefore that possibly some other people's interest, will rapidly decline. NASL went far above and beyond what should have been necessary in being accommodating, as well as being perhaps overly generous in their offers. Sounds to me like the koreans don't deserve the prize money anyway. Obviously starcraft won't up and die tomorrow because of this. But I must say, such a lack of effort to support the game in other areas is going to seriously hurt this game's chances of continuing its growth, or perhaps of even maintaining its current popularity. I'm sure it's difficult to travel, but them's the breaks when you play an e-sport like SC. Gonna repeat a previous opinion: $2500 minimum for each korean player is stupidly generous. Screw em. (On a side note, I use the term "koreans" in an overly generalized manner. I'm sure there were some koreans who disagreed with this decision, but since the article seems to refer to korea as a whole, I did the same to save time.  Just a disclaimer for those nit-pickers out there.) | ||
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Xenomorph
United States137 Posts
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Volvograd12
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:22 MrBitter wrote: There is definitely a gap between foreigners and Koreans, but top guys are still quite good. I'm not saying its good that the Koreans can't come. It's obviously not good when the champ can't show up for the title fight, but I don't think its the end of the world either. I had an incredible time casting the Blizzcon EU Invitational which consisted 100% of top EU players. The games were all very close and the outcomes very exciting. I enjoyed watching it. And I also felt like the fans related more with the games because they were all European too. Its fun to cheer for your hometown hero. So while it is definitely a bummer that the very best players in the world can't attend, I do think that we will still get some very exciting games, and I love that we will be seeing foreigner vs foreigner the whole way through... If nothing else, it let's us conclusively answer the question of "who is the best non-Korean". Mr. Bitter what's your opinion this Catz video? | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:20 Junichi wrote: Personally I think it would be good to see the money flow into the NA or EU teams, by winning tournaments. If they do not earn money by playing there is less incentive to train hard. I see this as a chance for NA / EU teams and will be watching the second season with great pleasure, I think. Idk, I think it can go both ways. If they earn money by not trying as hard, what incentive will there be to actually try harder? Look at IdrA. He was considered one of the top Zergs while in Korea giving many in Code S a run for their money. He then leaves Korea, wins an MLG. Then starts practicing 3 hours a day and now the best thing he's done since then is place 4th at Columbus. | ||
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Redlol
United States181 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:43 binkman wrote: Nowhere in the OP does it say that the koreans waited til the last second to bring this up, where is this information coming from? Koreans agreed to the season 1 conditions, and abided fully by them. Second season comes round and they want to negotiate some of the conditions. The two parties can't come to a 'reasonable' solution, so the Koreans say its a no-go. I don't understand where the unprofessional nature of what they did comes into this? Re-negotiating the contract at the end of the season seems like a pretty reasonable expectation to me, or were the Koreans hooked into that same contract indefinitely, until NASL folds? I am sure most people would prefer it that a more amicable solution was found that kept the Koreans in the NASL, but sometimes thats the way the cookie crumbles. NASL is right around the corner, and the Koreans had already agreed, they're reneging on a contract that's already in place.(Individual player contracts that is.) | ||
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Kush74
Canada17 Posts
In addition, what kind of tournament asks for security deposits to a professional gamers?? That being said NASL is just greedy trying to make money off pro-gamers as jesters performing for them. | ||
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obsKura
Ireland1061 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:13 Kush74 wrote: NASL you should seriously take this post off. This is very misleading First of all, Korean players havent gotten their deposit back from the first season yet!! and NASL doubled their deposit.... Korean players feel that NASL used them to just make more money. As a "Professional gamer" they feel like they are being disrespected by NASL since NO OTHER TOURNAMENT ASK FOR DEPOSITS (and they still HAVENT GOTTEN THE MONEY BACK!!) ON TOP OF THAT NASL STILL HASNT PAID THE PLAYERS THEIR PRIZE MONEY.... which is A FUCKING JOKE If that's the truth then I can understand their reasons for not participating. | ||
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vertical101
Hong Kong311 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:26 Volvograd12 wrote: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= Read this. Use google translate if its in Korean. Puma still hasn't been paid the 50k Grand Prize that the NASL promised. 2k isn't nearly enough to cover back to back flights from Korea to San Diego. The deposits that the Koreans made hasn't even been returned yet. Sounds like American Banksters to me. GSL winner also wait for 3+months to get their money. its not like their not gonna give the money | ||
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Volvograd12
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:28 SovereignT wrote: Warn or not, this person hit it on the head. If they're going to be so ridiculous in their demands, fuck em. Really pathetic that they won't make an effort to get out and spread the game to other areas outside of Korea. NASL went far above and beyond what should have been necessary in being accommodating, as well as being perhaps overly generous in their offers. Sounds to me like the koreans don't deserve the prize money anyway. Obviously starcraft won't up and die tomorrow because of this. But I must say, such a lack of effort to support the game in other areas is going to seriously hurt this game's chances of continuing its growth, or perhaps of even maintaining its current popularity. I'm sure it's difficult to travel, but them's the breaks when you play an e-sport like SC. Gonna repeat a previous opinion: $2500 minimum for each korean player is stupidly generous. Screw em. (On a side note, I use the term "koreans" in an overly generalized manner. I'm sure there were some koreans who disagreed with this decision, but since the article seems to refer to korea as a whole, I did the same to save time. Just a disclaimer for those nit-pickers out there.)So much ignorance, I don't blame you. Puma still hasn't been paid his 50k grand prize. The Koreans who gave deposits to the NASL still haven't been reimbursed. Overall, all the Korean teams, primarily OGS and Star Tale are fed up with the NASL lack of business ethics. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= Use google translate, if you can't read Hangul. | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:16 Volvograd12 wrote: This is probably the most constructive post in this entire debacle. I completely agree with you mate. NASL are making themselves look innocent. LOL. Combat ex, is that you? Troll another tournament, buddy. | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:28 SovereignT wrote: Warn or not, this person hit it on the head. If they're going to be so ridiculous in their demands, fuck em. Really pathetic that they won't make an effort to get out and spread the game to other areas outside of Korea. I'm aware that a select few korean players go to a tiny handful of other events, but if they don't start getting out of their dark caves soon, my interest, and I assume therefore that possibly some other people's interest, will rapidly decline. NASL went far above and beyond what should have been necessary in being accommodating, as well as being perhaps overly generous in their offers. Sounds to me like the koreans don't deserve the prize money anyway. Obviously starcraft won't up and die tomorrow because of this. But I must say, such a lack of effort to support the game in other areas is going to seriously hurt this game's chances of continuing its growth, or perhaps of even maintaining its current popularity. I'm sure it's difficult to travel, but them's the breaks when you play an e-sport like SC. Gonna repeat a previous opinion: $2500 minimum for each korean player is stupidly generous. Screw em. (On a side note, I use the term "koreans" in an overly generalized manner. I'm sure there were some koreans who disagreed with this decision, but since the article seems to refer to korea as a whole, I did the same to save time. Just a disclaimer for those nit-pickers out there.)It's not $2000 minimum. It's a 3 month commitment for free...at a chance for a $1000 minimum and a $1000 travel stipend. 3 months of NASL not doing what it can to make decent accommodations for Korean players and their teams. NASL hasn't gone far and above and beyond anything in my book if they don't have the decency to even make play times somewhat fair for the 3 months leading up to this prize pool. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:20 oldtimessake wrote: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=2&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= read this (use google translator) and u guys will understand a litle bit According to google translate they are basically saying NASL hasnt payed back deposites or puma's check, also that combined with the lag and the fact that they have to pay for expenses is why the are withdrawing I find it laughable, how do they think foreigners going to GSL is? they have to spend a month instead of 3 days, sure if they go via the MLG exchange the flight is paid for , but they still have to pay for food. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Volvograd12
Russian Federation19 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:33 vertical101 wrote: GSL winner also wait for 3+months to get their money. its not like their not gonna give the money You are comparing the GSL to NASL? LAUGH. GSL is actually reputable, and if you followed Ming Chul's twitter he has already spent a great deal of his hard earned cash. NASL is very nefarious in its dealings. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:33 vertical101 wrote: GSL winner also wait for 3+months to get their money Well, I don't know if what that guy posted is true or fully understood by me and google translate. But to be fair regarding GSL, GSL is backed up by a lot of well known corporations while... a lot of the stuff behind the NASL is still not quite clear. I can see why someone might be more reserved regarding NASL | ||
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
Korean players feel that NASL used them to just make more money. We all know, that NASL hadn't had all the money before the finals. They had like NO SPONSORS when the season started. They were so stupid to believe that the hype would get them all the money, after the horrible failiure they tried to hype up the Finals with a OpenBracket etc and some Koreans but at the End they still don't had the money. No Money + Bad Production = It only get's worse. Even the NASL Finals are dead now. Sorry, I don't want to watch bad Foreigners get owned by B-Team Koreans who where to bad for a paid spot at a Korean Team, that they joined a Foreign Team. Its the fault of NASL, they wanted to have a big hype beacuse of the 50k #1st Prize but had no money for Flightcosts/Banners/Tech left. Too bad that NASL was organized so bad. If NASL took more time to find sponsors and don't rushed it, they wouldn't have had all the ridiculous sound/stream-problems and maybe they decided for a better league-format what would have helped the League. There goes 80% of NASL's viewers. The whole 1000? :o | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:11 MrBitter wrote: This isn't the worst news in the world. NASL season 2 will be a true representation of its namesake: A North American, foreigner only tournament. In all honesty, this excites me a little. It should motivate foreign players to work a little harder (because winning is more attainable) and it will serve as a chance to showcase some of the top foreigner talent that we don't know as much about. Obviously very sad that we'll have no Koreans, and will lose some quality, but its not all bad news. This is very wrong and here's why. NASL stands for North American Star League. There's is no correlation between its name and the idea that the tournament is meant for foreigners only. Foreigners, when used in the context of Starcraft, implies everyone not Korean. Thus, such a term includes Europeans and Taiwanese players. The only player limitation you can deduce SOLELY based on its name is that ONLY NORTH AMERICAN players could play. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
But it sucks. If they at least make their money back from winnings it's a good deal cause they get loads of foreign press and might even get some sponsors interested that way, isn't it? | ||
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