EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 71
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RedMorning
Canada117 Posts
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:24 obesechicken13 wrote: So does NASL stand for North Asian Star League? I don't see the problem here tbh. The problem is this happened just as S2 was about to start. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:26 magnaflow wrote: I would like to hold judgment till I hear the other side of the story, but I can't help but feel that this sc2con is concerned about the growth of SC2 in the west. I am not familiar with the BW scene, but how did things work for them. Were there any foreign tournaments then? If so did Koreans participate? professional starcraft started in south korea, and professional sc2 started there also i guess you could say. the interest in the entire scene was much higher in korea than anywhere else when sc1 and bw were just released, and everything multiplied extremely fast from there. aside from TSL, i've never heard of an actually large BW tournament in NA or europe, let alone any koreans attending. a lot of the interviews of korean players at first mostly went like: 'oh, this i my first time attending a tournament abroad' | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Based on the players ? Because IEM actually will have arguably lower level Koreans/players than NASL. | ||
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Xelnas
Canada65 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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larnigan8
United States2 Posts
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:29 Hatsu wrote: It's not just the $500. It has to be worth investing several hours in preparing for it. I think that, given the chance of winning a big enough prize, it simply was not worth it to them. Now mind you, they might be wrong. But they have the right to make their own decisions and branding a move like this as "greedy" or "wrong" is pointless considering we don't know their reasons. Hopefully they will release a statement soon. You have to spend time preparing for any tournament you are in, thats part of the job. They knew the conditions and still allowed their players to qualify and then asked for things to be changed. I'm sorry, thats just not how you do business. | ||
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probablywrong
Philippines209 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:29 Crushgroove wrote: This is like KeSPA shenanigans all over again... only the players NOT bound to SC2Con decisions are able to play in this great tournament and take advantage of the 2k? Must be nice to NOT be a part of that situation. I don't see them balking at coming to MLG, despite the fact that they DON'T get the 2k and they have a lower statistical likelihood of winning.... This is baffling, and angering as well. If I were a player contractually bound to the decisions of the SC2Con, I'd be pissed, and I'd be re-evaluating the career decisions that led me to that circumstance. Bet Puma feels like a boss right now. To be honest the sc2con seems like a bit of a joke right now. When TSL didn't like their ruling they simply ignored it. They were expelled but as a far as I can tell there were no real consequences. | ||
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:23 whateverpeeps wrote: Can people read and stop posting stuff like this? Obviously if the issue was with NASL and the quality of playing at NASL, then INDIVIDUAL players can back out on their own will. Instead, we have a committee that has decided to ban ALL Korean players from participating (a union-type boycott), regardless of whether they may personally want to play in NASL or not. The reason why they did this is because they asked the NASL for certain monetary concessions that NASL did not agree to. NASL responded with their own offer that the committe didn't agree to, and here we are. This has NOTHING to do with how players feel about NASL. In fact, I wish we could hear from some of the affected players how they feel about this decision because I can't imagine too many are happy to be banned from playing in the NASL. Did they actually get banned tho? I thought it was more of "Noone can afford it" | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:32 Disquiet wrote: To be honest the sc2con seems like a bit of a joke right now. When TSL didn't like their ruling they simply ignored it. They were expelled but as a far as I can tell there were no real consequences. there were consequences. sc2con apologized to tsl after expelling them. lol.... | ||
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UnknownReclaimer
United States146 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:52 FliedLice wrote: Book months in advance if they don't even know if they will make it to the finals or not? Seems pretty silly to me. Would have responded to this earlier but I had to go make supper. Perhaps I exaggerated a little, but not much. I wasn't saying that they should book it at the beginning of the season. But it was pretty clear (for the top 5 I believe) 2-3weeks to go in the season last year who was going to be playing in the finals and who wasn't. That coupled with the fact that I believe there was 2 and a half week break in between the last week and the finals and you have at least a 1 month time span to book everything. Longer for some of the players. That is plenty of time to book in advance and receive some sort of discount, especially if you are flying 4 or 5 people together. Besides, with 2k per player, and it only cost 1650 last year per player, I don't see why they are complaining. They only have to play 1 game a week for 9 weeks. Then they fly out here and make roughly 200 bucks if the come in dead last. With a possibility to make 40k!!! 1 game a week is nothing. They don't have to do practically anything, and if they make it to the finals they get, at the very least, a nice trip to America. In Korea they have to fight against the other Koreans, in many many more games, in a harder tournament for the same amount. | ||
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Saraf
United States160 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:23 dookudooku wrote: The problem is with the $650 that's not covered by the stipend. The difference between travel stipend and prize money is key here. My guess is that the Koreans teams couldn't come to an agreement amongst themselves on who would cover the remaining $650. I'm sure some people wanted to the team to pay for it, while others wanted it to come out of the player's prize money. At then end, they had to decide to decline and withdraw from the league. Almost every player accepted that any money over-and-above the travel expenses that could not be covered by the teams would come out of the players' winnings last Season, though. And even then, it's not wholly appropriate to include $500 of that because the Ro16 prizes have doubled because of this, so it's effectively $150 (plus food) out of pocket with the same $500 in guaranteed winnings. That seems 100% reasonable to me for the teams to pay. | ||
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:32 probablywrong wrote: will MC withdraw? he is also sponsored by SK gaming. We should probably just wait for an updated list of the players who are actually participating.  | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:29 Crushgroove wrote: This is like KeSPA shenanigans all over again... only the players NOT bound to SC2Con decisions are able to play in this great tournament and take advantage of the 2k? Must be nice to NOT be a part of that situation. I don't see them balking at coming to MLG, despite the fact that they DON'T get the 2k and they have a lower statistical likelihood of winning.... This is baffling, and angering as well. If I were a player contractually bound to the decisions of the SC2Con, I'd be pissed, and I'd be re-evaluating the career decisions that led me to that circumstance. Bet Puma feels like a boss right now. This is NOT the issue... the players DID NOT withdraw... the coaches/representatives of the teams made the decision for them. Imaging being a player in Korea and saying, wait, but I *want* to play in that tournament..... and Mr. Chae is like, "sit the F down, I said no. They aren't paying us enough money...." lol, kespa is nothing like sc2con, being a member of sc2con is not mandatory for competing in GSL. sc2con is formed by the coaches of major team who represent the views of both players and team, kespa is just a governing body over sc. Kespa is like FIFA while sc2con are like players union. | ||
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lolsixtynine
United States600 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:28 Dr.Sin wrote: His point: Koreans run their business well. My point: they do not, as they don't fail to do very basic things, like protect their assets. Korean SC was very insulated and was heavily reliant on people and players showing mutual respect and open discussion as a kind of kick back from the strict KeSPA law and to compensate for not having a whole lot of current money all around. Keeping legalities and other complications to a minimum with the understanding that times were tough on everybody. .....except they didn't anticipate global foreigner conglomerate gaming teams competing directly with them in such a fierce manner. Koren SC2 is still quite fragile money wise and often cant afford to run it like a full blown business quite yet, relying a lot of generosity and open dialogue. | ||
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