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Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 16

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Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:44:13
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#301
When you take the costs involved for traveling from Korea to CA, hotel, and food expenses it is either a loss or a marginal cash gain just for making it to the NASL Finals. Sure you have a good chance to win 40,000 but its gonna suck for the 8 players that did not advance past ro16. Compounded with the fact that some of the the Korean teams still do not have adequate or lack of sponsorship funding it's very hard to justify going to compete and coming home literally empty. I haven't even factored in the months you spend trying to qualify at 2am or the fact, you have to spend 40-60+ hours roundtrip which literally messes up ur body in competing for the GSL. Just look what happened to MC.

I also don't know if the way the first NASL event ran, dissuaded Korea players because of the ridiculous wait time per day just to play a match, was part of SC2Con decision not to compete in NASL.
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#302
On August 12 2011 08:41 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:34 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:31 masterbreti wrote:
tbh good for the Koreans for sticking to their guns.

Has anyone here auctally tried to caculate the cost of a 1 week trip to cali from seoul and back. its damn expensive. Being almost 3k with hotel and airfare and such. For the chance at $500, which would still lose them $500 if NASL paid 2k.

I can understand why the teams would do this tbh. They are not in a healthy state in Korea and of course they would want people to pay, since they can't temselves.


I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.



Then why not just say to them "we're covering your entire costs," instead of putting a limit on it. Thats rather dumb.

you tell the Koreans that you'll cover 2k. they say to you they want you to cover it all. Well if 2k will cover it then tell them that you'll cover it all.

seems like really poor thinking on NASL's part.

Saying you'll cover all costs isn't at all intelligent though unless you are also doing the booking yourself, as you have no control over how much they choose to spend. Being able to do it within 2k is very different from a guarantee that they'll do it in under 2k.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#303
Still, korean teams are ready to send players to MLG for 5000 dollars, but refuse to do it for 50K? They must really value that code S spot.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#304
On August 12 2011 08:42 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I understand making a stand to protect your scene. In fact I think the Korean scene making some sort of a stand is going to be good for everyone in the long run.

However what is going on here with putting players into a qualifier, accepting invites, all with full knowledge of what NASL pays, and then threatening to last minute pull everyone out is just not acceptable behavior. Makes me very sad to see this organization used for these ends. I hope the Korean scene can come to re-think their actions and act differently in future situations.

Yeah...it's exactly like if Thorzain, Jinro, Naniwa and Sase went to Gom studio 2 days ago and said "sorry, you pay us 2000$ each or we don't play and you have no broadcast today, sorry"

Seriously, what the hell with this korean association ?


See, the difference here is that Thorzain, Jinro, Naniwa, and Sase actually had the ability and cash to make it to the GOM studio.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#305
On August 12 2011 08:41 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:34 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:31 masterbreti wrote:
tbh good for the Koreans for sticking to their guns.

Has anyone here auctally tried to caculate the cost of a 1 week trip to cali from seoul and back. its damn expensive. Being almost 3k with hotel and airfare and such. For the chance at $500, which would still lose them $500 if NASL paid 2k.

I can understand why the teams would do this tbh. They are not in a healthy state in Korea and of course they would want people to pay, since they can't temselves.


I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.



Then why not just say to them "we're covering your entire costs," instead of putting a limit on it. Thats rather dumb.

you tell the Koreans that you'll cover 2k. they say to you they want you to cover it all. Well if 2k will cover it then tell them that you'll cover it all.

seems like really poor thinking on NASL's part.

The teams want it all covered, no upfront fee, and the prize money. The $2000 is $1000 in travel and the minimum $1000 in prize money.
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GxZ
Profile Joined April 2010
United States375 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#306
What does it mean for season 2 players, will the people who came in the ro8/16 bracket now make it in?
BleuDeChanel
Profile Joined March 2011
Peru30 Posts
August 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#307
NASL Season 2 is over for me.
rip in piece
fellcrow
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States288 Posts
August 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#308
Could someone answer as to how exactly the Koreans are pulling out? If there was a contract signed...aren't they bound by that? NASL should sue for monetary loss due to loss of viewership based off what they would of had by having top Koreans in their tournament. Be cool if they could actually enforce their contract to that degree...
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
outerspace02
Profile Joined March 2011
United States136 Posts
August 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#309
lol... not going to watch now
GuiltyJerk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States584 Posts
August 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#310
On August 12 2011 08:40 RoyalCheese wrote:
I'm actually cool with this. Don't get me wrong, i love to watch koreans but i most of the time root for foreigners. And tbh im tired of getting my heart broken It would be cool if koreans were in NASL, but i think it will be just as cool without them.


Exactly this, Koreans are nice, but I just get my soul crushed every time that they play T.T Most Koreans not being there also means more interviews during the main season, since most of the winners will be able to speak English. Also there won't be people saying a win was only about lag or some shit.
Remfire
Profile Joined October 2010
492 Posts
August 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#311
On August 12 2011 08:17 Smurphy wrote:
"Koreans" still in? *edit* added quotes so there's no debate on what exactly is a Korean. This is more of a question of who is in and who is out.

SeleCT
Rain
Puma
BoxeR
Hero

Koreans out?

MC
July
Zenio
Moon
Squirtle
NaDa
Ace
Ensnare
Alive
Clide
Revival
MarineKing
SC
TOP

Is that 14 spots to be filled?


On August 12 2011 08:14 NASL.tv wrote:
BoxeR already declined participation (his withdrawal came before the SC2Con decision, but for similar reasons)


BoxeR is out too
ViceZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States42 Posts
August 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#312
I guess that's good for the non koreans at least in terms of winning right? Still I feel it is entirely possible to fund a couple of players given they advance to the grand finals, either way disappointing for fans expecting koreans in season 2
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
August 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#313
On August 12 2011 08:41 Esel wrote:
I dont get it why do Koreans have such a big problem with money and sponsorships i mean SouthKorea is the mekka of esports and starcraft they all should be rich ballerclubs o.O


I think that's only for BW not SC2.
I'm a noob
Scheme
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:54:21
August 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#314
On August 12 2011 08:38 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:35 Scheme wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:30 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:25 Scheme wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:22 coddan wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:21 Scheme wrote:
People should stop pretending they can tell the in game subtleties between Korean players and high level foreigner players....you are watching the game not the name

Maybe you can't see the difference. Haha, try to say that to fans of any other competition or sport.


Maybe I can't...but Puma still in, so I'm happy to judge people from my high horse!
The point is that this won't be the death of NASL.!


You've seen how Koreans dominated foreigners badly in so many tournaments, and you can't see differences in play? Honestly, I don't mean to insult you in any way when I say that if you can't see the difference, you just don't really know enough about the game. It's understandable. I don't know crap about basketball, and I really can't tell the differences between play in the NBA or in just college basketball.



Plenty assumption on your post!! Let me clarify my point...even if there aren't Koreans involved they will be plenty of competitive and entertaining games played and I think most people wouldn't be able to distinguish if the games were NASL games or games played between Koreans!!


I didn't make any assumptions. You explicitly admitted that you can't tell the difference ingame between Koreans and high level foreigners, unless I misinterpreted that statement somehow - if that's the case, I apologize. I agree that competitive and entertaining games will be played, but the point that I took away from your original post was "one cannot can't even tell the difference, and people need to stop pretending that they can" - so, the natural next step in my thought process was, "Okay, so he can't tell the difference. That's understandable if he doesn't have enough knowledge of the game".


If I showed a game where I didn't name the players...would you be able to tell the difference between say IdrA and some generic Code A zerg korean player( and IdrA doesn't gg doesn't count XD).Obviously I'm making assumption that they have similar style.

I will be supporting NASL either way. Its a pretty awesome tourney, Koreans or not.
Haze.884
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand192 Posts
August 11 2011 23:45 GMT
#315
On August 12 2011 08:42 justinpal wrote:
It's because we are a AA+ nation now. The Koreans don't trust us to pay back their security deposit. Blame Congress.


I lol'd at this :D

I understand the decision Koreans made, but I dont agree on their 'threatening' to pull out -.-.
I want to hear from Mr.Chae.
TSL matter seemed really wrong when we only heard from ST coach, and it turned different when we heard Coach Lee's side of the story.
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acgFork
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada397 Posts
August 11 2011 23:45 GMT
#316
I actually don't mind, more chances for us foreigners. There's a reason it's called "North American Star League".
acgFork 208
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
August 11 2011 23:45 GMT
#317
Well this sucks. Looks like the foreigners-only crowd got their wish in the end. Enjoy your 50k Puma. Don't worry NASL, if it's not in your budget to fly Koreans over then there's nothing that can be done about it.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
August 11 2011 23:45 GMT
#318
No Koreans = Special Olympics tournament.

User was temp banned for this post.
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FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
August 11 2011 23:45 GMT
#319
That is disappointing, kinda looks bad for the Koreans.
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
MeyerA
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Sweden122 Posts
August 11 2011 23:45 GMT
#320
Nice, now they can invite me insted, imo!
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