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Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 15

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corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#281
On August 12 2011 08:40 SafeAsCheese wrote:
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On August 12 2011 08:39 Fakie wrote:
man, NASL is going to suffer big time.

no one wants to see low level starcraft2. =(


65000 watched the bnet EU invitational...


lol. in terms of last season's competitors, the likes of ret, thorzain and naniwa would hardly be considered low level.
http://www.twitch.tv/corpsep0se
FluidKMC
Profile Joined April 2011
United States45 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#282
Sidding with catz. NASL should'nt be paying for koreans to come over here in my opinion. They need to be risking something
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#283
Too bad for Korean players and too bad for foreign fans.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#284
It's because we are a AA+ nation now. The Koreans don't trust us to pay back their security deposit. Blame Congress.
Never make a hydralisk.
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#285
I can't say I'm that surprised. I think NASL is a sinking ship.
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#286
Unfortunate as it is, this completely kills much of my interest in the league.
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
SageFantasma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States383 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#287
It's actually really annoying seeing so many people say that they won't be watching the NASL simply because of the fact that there won't be as many Koreans. I can say with complete confidence that the best games I have ever seen in Starcraft II have not come out of Korean players, but from the foreigners. But, oh well, I guess some people aren't in it for the entertainment from the game, but simply from the players participating.

All this being said, it is sad to see that an agreement couldn't be reached regarding this. Any players not being able to participate in a tournament simply because of expenses is unfortunate, especially considering the level of play that Koreans are known to provide.

Looking forward to Season 2! :D
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#288
Man this sucks...
Dear Sixsmith...
The.Doctor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada333 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#289
Damn without koreans in NASL...idk if I'd ever really watch it again. IPL just so much better.
The Boss.
Harrow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#290
On August 12 2011 08:39 Brad wrote:
I don't understand why the business side of the disagreement has been posted on here. Feels like NASL is trying to get us to take sides. Doesn't seem professional that the offers and demands are being shown to the public.


Transparency is good. If they just said that most Koreans won't be playing in NASL and gave no further info, there'd be a huge shitstorm on TL and I suspect that most people would blame NASL for it. Assuming the OP isn't misleading, describing what happened is completely reasonable.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:43:01
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#291
On August 12 2011 08:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I understand making a stand to protect your scene. In fact I think the Korean scene making some sort of a stand is going to be good for everyone in the long run.

However what is going on here with putting players into a qualifier, accepting invites, all with full knowledge of what NASL pays, and then threatening to last minute pull everyone out is just not acceptable behavior. Makes me very sad to see this organization used for these ends. I hope the Korean scene can come to re-think their actions and act differently in future situations.

Yeah...it's exactly like if Thorzain, Jinro, Naniwa and Sase went to Gom studio 2 days ago and said "sorry, you pay us 2000$ each or we don't play and you have no broadcast today, sorry"

Seriously, what the hell with this korean association ?
monie
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden258 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#292
Guys, think about it for a second, and read all the teams again, there is a lot of teams that aren't on that list, and a lot of good players. NASL will still have shitloads of good players, just not the same as last season, which is a good thing imo, new faces will bring new people watching!
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#293
On August 12 2011 08:42 justinpal wrote:
It's because we are a AA+ nation now. The Koreans don't trust us to pay back their security deposit. Blame Congress.

lol, brought a little smile to my face.
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#294
guess im not watching the NASL
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
The.Doctor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada333 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#295
On August 12 2011 08:42 SageFantasma wrote:
It's actually really annoying seeing so many people say that they won't be watching the NASL simply because of the fact that there won't be as many Koreans. I can say with complete confidence that the best games I have ever seen in Starcraft II have not come out of Korean players, but from the foreigners. But, oh well, I guess some people aren't in it for the entertainment from the game, but simply from the players participating.

All this being said, it is sad to see that an agreement couldn't be reached regarding this. Any players not being able to participate in a tournament simply because of expenses is unfortunate, especially considering the level of play that Koreans are known to provide.

Looking forward to Season 2! :D


?

Puma v MC was the best SC2 TvP I've ever seen.
The Boss.
tiaz
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden231 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#296
So many moronic posts trying to make everything into US vs Korea. Without even hearing the other official side.. I'm so tired of all regional arguments which plagues esports.
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." - Iloveoov
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#297
On August 12 2011 08:41 masterbreti wrote:
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On August 12 2011 08:34 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:31 masterbreti wrote:
tbh good for the Koreans for sticking to their guns.

Has anyone here auctally tried to caculate the cost of a 1 week trip to cali from seoul and back. its damn expensive. Being almost 3k with hotel and airfare and such. For the chance at $500, which would still lose them $500 if NASL paid 2k.

I can understand why the teams would do this tbh. They are not in a healthy state in Korea and of course they would want people to pay, since they can't temselves.


I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.



Then why not just say to them "we're covering your entire costs," instead of putting a limit on it. Thats rather dumb.

you tell the Koreans that you'll cover 2k. they say to you they want you to cover it all. Well if 2k will cover it then tell them that you'll cover it all.

seems like really poor thinking on NASL's part.


What if they request business class, or first class? There has to be a limit, otherwise the demands will go unchecked.
-StrifeX-
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States529 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#298
Seems like koreans scared NASL can become bigger than their korean events for sc2? I mean at first not really much for travel...but $2,000 would seem to be enough. this has to be more of a hidden issue and only thing i can think of is they are scared of other countries having a possibility of korean progamers wanting to move overseas to play and practice? because they might be scared eSports scene for SC2 might be stronger, which would result in larger prizes than their events. This probably has something to also do with some of the koreans joining the foreign teams lately?

I just find it hard to debate $2,000 being an issue? they are progamers this is what they basically play for, is to make money and for teams to turn it down can only hurt the team itself from a possible higher rate of income into their progaming team.

If what is said and offered is true, This is basically the only things i can really think of, just talking out of my ass also so don't flame me :D
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#299
I do think the $500 deposit may be a big reason. Their budget seems to be so short, that spending a couple thousand dollars, even if you will get it back later, can be a huge issue. Some teams have several players that qualified.

I think the real issue is just how late the decision was, I would probally understand it if it were made earlier.
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
August 11 2011 23:43 GMT
#300
On August 12 2011 08:40 redFF wrote:
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On August 12 2011 08:10 Treadmill wrote:
Oh dear. Well, this is going to get ugly. Too bad for the Koreans, I guess.

no, too bad for foreign fans.

Not really. They are missing out on a massive prize pool. The Western esports crowd cares more about player personality and commentators than skill level.
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