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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#261
On August 12 2011 08:39 Fakie wrote:
man, NASL is going to suffer big time.

no one wants to see low level starcraft2. =(


65000 watched the bnet EU invitational...
opticalza
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand188 Posts
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#262
Funny, i remember a quote from Mr Chae in regards to all the foreigners outside declining their invites to the Super tournament in which he mentioned that he was sure if the Koreans were given the opportunity to participate in a foreign league they would, no matter the monetary sacrifice required, because it is what needs to be done to become the best, clearly not entirely true.

Anyhow, this is pretty bad for the NASL and I feel for them. Although i can understand where the Koreans are coming from, it is quite unprofessional to go about it in this manner, especially after they've participated in the qualifiers, signed contracts and season 2 production had already begun. Really harsh.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#263
WTF come on... damn koreans -.- I feel bad for NASL as many people just lost all incentive to watch. I can already see Puma winning season 2 as well. NASL really tried hard to accommodate but i guess it is what it is =[
Long live the Boss Toss!
DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:46:13
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#264
NASL should reduce it's prize pot to MLG levels and use that to invest in production value and travel expenses.

GSL maypays for travel and a practice house. NASL should learn from MLG, a tournament everyone respects.

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"1 base. Cheese man." - MKP. "[MVP] is not stylistic, his style is winning, which is the style you want to have." - Artosis
Thewildfish
Profile Joined September 2010
United States113 Posts
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#265
On August 12 2011 08:38 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:37 quiet noise wrote:
Does this mean MC and Nada will still participate? they are signed to SK for foreign tournaments


I have contacted SK and inquired about their ability to play. I am waiting for a response.


MC was the main reason I went to the live event last season. Hopefully he and Nada can still participate.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#266
There's no black and white; not even shades of grey; all there is are men wandering through life rather aimlessly, without directions, making snap judgement without particularly goals or guidelines to abide by.

The situation is fairly simple when you look at it from a business angle:
There's no room in korean team's budget


and that's it. They can't afford writing checks out for anything, so they resort to this. Something have to be fixed.
Thank God and gunrun.
RoyalCheese
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic745 Posts
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#267
I'm actually cool with this. Don't get me wrong, i love to watch koreans but i most of the time root for foreigners. And tbh im tired of getting my heart broken It would be cool if koreans were in NASL, but i think it will be just as cool without them.
Kennigit: "Chill was once able to retire really young, but decided to donate his entire salary TO SUPPORT ESPORTS"
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:43:05
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#268
Well, now we will have that league that western purists want so bad. Let's see how the viewership goes.

On August 12 2011 08:40 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:39 Fakie wrote:
man, NASL is going to suffer big time.

no one wants to see low level starcraft2. =(


65000 watched the bnet EU invitational...

It got boosted only because of WoW fans.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sanya
Profile Joined February 2011
482 Posts
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#269
they already get basically free money in torunaments because foreigners don't like to play the game much apparently
bitching on top of that for travel expenses paid (only if they're already in the playoffs for 3 days and a ton of prizemoney) ...
compared to foreigners having to pay to go to korea and dying horribly in code a qualifiers , to get a chance for code a where they will probably lose , to get a chance to go to code s where they will probably lose...

yeah sry but ...
fuck koreans



they already have the way better deal
If wishes were fishes , we'd all cast nets.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#270
On August 12 2011 08:10 Treadmill wrote:
Oh dear. Well, this is going to get ugly. Too bad for the Koreans, I guess.

no, too bad for foreign fans.
Krimancer
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden150 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#271
that blows
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#272
Hm, this sucks.

All of the koreans knew what they were getting into to be honest, and declining this late is just wrong. I mean, if 2k a person doesn't cover the expenses, I can understand that, but that's something they should have considered beforehand.

The other issue is that NASL s2 was shaping up to be a lot more interesting then s1, mainly due to the influx of korean players. Now that they're all out, we're going to end up with night upon night of irrelevant low-level matchups. I want to support (and pay for) NASL, but if it's at 'foreigner' (IPL) level, there's no way in hell I'll pay for it.

(It does explain why Hero switched to TL tho ;p)
Silver777
Profile Joined March 2010
United States347 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#273
On August 12 2011 08:36 MiXyass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:27 Wesso wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:18 MorNin wrote:
So the west is supposed to bend over to Koreans??? wtf is this....


The Koreans just don't want to come, they don't have to if they don't like the tournament. They should have decided sooner though.


Korea did it for the West

In the world tournament gsl paid for all travel expenses(including to Korea and within Korea) as well as computers for them to play on (not sure on the food).

Let's be realistic here
2000 would barely pay for travel and hotel
so if you lose in the first round you are spending money to participate in a tournament in the other side of the world

You guys need to remember that GSL has a house for gamers and provides all accommodations
they are simply asking for the same treatment.

100% of the travel costs and the entrance tournament fee as well as no deposit.

Those demands are not really unrealistic from Koreans, they just might not be in the current budget for NASL.





All world tournament players were invites, thus could decline and many probably would if they had to pay their way. The Koreans had already accepted the rules/got in the tournament, then got everything paid for at a 1/16 chance to win $50K.

It would be like world tournament player accepting the inviting, then the day before his flight saying he wants more money.

masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#274
On August 12 2011 08:34 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:31 masterbreti wrote:
tbh good for the Koreans for sticking to their guns.

Has anyone here auctally tried to caculate the cost of a 1 week trip to cali from seoul and back. its damn expensive. Being almost 3k with hotel and airfare and such. For the chance at $500, which would still lose them $500 if NASL paid 2k.

I can understand why the teams would do this tbh. They are not in a healthy state in Korea and of course they would want people to pay, since they can't temselves.


I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.



Then why not just say to them "we're covering your entire costs," instead of putting a limit on it. Thats rather dumb.

you tell the Koreans that you'll cover 2k. they say to you they want you to cover it all. Well if 2k will cover it then tell them that you'll cover it all.

seems like really poor thinking on NASL's part.
sebsejr
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
213 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#275
i dont believe they would not accept that offer! it is so generous! i seriously feel bad for you NASL ! u'r doing an amazing job !

/keepitup!
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#276
On August 12 2011 08:40 Primadog wrote:
There's no black and white; not even shades of grey; all there is are men wandering through life rather aimlessly, without directions, making snap judgement without particularly goals or guidelines to abide by.

The situation is fairly simple when you look at it from a business angle:
There's no room in korean team's budget


and that's it. They can't afford writing checks out for anything, so they resort to this. Something have to be fixed.


if you cant afford it then dont let your players qualify for the tournament in the first place.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#277
On August 12 2011 08:37 cristo1122 wrote:
2000 dollars isnt that big of a travel stipend when u consider that a return ticket can potentially cost twice that as well as accomadaction and the movement of gear for training and so forth, the fact of the mater is that the prize pool isnt large enough for them to come to the tournament if the minium prizing winnings was more like $5000 then u would see more koreans as if they got knocked out early on then there is still a positive economic outcome for them.

What are you talking about? I'm managing Team Liquid and I can tell you that the planetickets cost around 1200 $ for a return ticket. Hotel during the event wouldn't be more than 400$ and then you can eat and drink for less than 50$ a day. What's the problem here? 2000 $ is more than sufficient to cover all costs.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#278
Man i'm really feelin for NASL. I feel like you guys kind of got screwed over even though you tried your best to accommodate the players. Either way I will still watch and hope for the best!
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#279
I have a question about this though:

Can the roster from FXO Korea still take part in NASL Season 2?
http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/296431601 <------Suscribe! Casts in Spanish :) |||| http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/300285215<----- CSL: Before Sunday! Episode 3!
Esel
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany151 Posts
August 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#280
I dont get it why do Koreans have such a big problem with money and sponsorships i mean SouthKorea is the mekka of esports and starcraft they all should be rich ballerclubs o.O
i like sc2 more than wc3 because of its mind games , in wc3 the only mind game you could do is go for a different hero than normal to make your opponent thing you are retarded
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