EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 128
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Shuray
Brazil642 Posts
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
I really don't have an opinion on this, except that it sucks for all involved. Sorry guys. | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 21:32 Quintum_ wrote: I wonder what koreans are going to do when all the money for sc2 drys up in korea, seeing as sc2 is really unpopular and not nearly as profitable as BW is. True they have the best players in the world but not the cash to sustain them. I know the conditions where not 100% for koreans, but for what is sounds like NASL made a lot of concession and got as close as ideal as was financially possible. This is one of the largest prize polls out there matching code S first place at 40K that the koreans who enter have a good chance of winning. Unless money and interest in korea picks up i think koreas are going to have to start getting more involved in the foreign as that is here the money is at. They're just gonna pick up and realize they have to start owning more white dudes to make money. And then, when foreigners can't win anything, we will have 2 choices. Lessen the skill gap (by accommodating Koreans to play them more) or make events non-Korean only. I wonder which is more feasible without looking like complete a-holes. On August 12 2011 21:40 Sablar wrote: Is there another side to the story? Sounds really strange that they wouldn't take up an offer of $1000 + $1000 guaranteed. Did they have to stay in the US for a long time? I don't get it. Also it makes me wonder what MLG pays for travel. Because coming home with $350 (2k - minimum travel expenses) is not worth putting up with 3 months worth of BS from NASL. Especially when it conflicts with their ability to prepare for and compete in other leagues. Please read the prior posts, it's getting tiring trying to explain this every time I try to reply to something. On August 12 2011 21:42 Sbrubbles wrote: Hmm, this is a good point. The managers and coaches could be wary of sending their players abroad. Personally I do think it's a travels expenses thing, but your point may be a big influence. Or it's because the teams don't feel properly compensated for unfair playing and travel conditions and would rather spend their time and energy on something else? On August 12 2011 21:42 Poffel wrote: Even though it's mean, I can't help but to imagine the behind-the-scenes negotiations somewhat like this: + Show Spoiler + NASL: I see I was wrong to expect Korea's commitment to at least match our own. Mr Chae: Doesn't it? [points to American progamer behind NASL] Mr. Chae: You there, what is your profession? American progamer: I am a student... sir. Mr. Chae: [points to another soldier] And you, American, what is your profession? American: Programmer, sir. Mr. Chae: Programmer. [turns to a third American progamer] Mr. Chae: You? American: Salesman. Mr. Chae: [turns back shouting] Koreans! What is your profession? Koreans: WAR! WAR! WAR! Mr. Chae: [turning to NASL] You see, old friend? I brought more soldiers than you did. That't not only incredibly ignorant but also offensive. You take into no account the fact that NASL dropped the ball with contract negotiations this season, completely did not meet any expectations for what an organizer should do in terms of their treatment of Korean players last season, and to top it all off, you completely demean the efforts of an entire nation of progamers, many of which had to struggle through as much, if not more than their western peers to get to where they are now. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On August 12 2011 21:42 Poffel wrote: Even though it's mean, I can't help but to imagine the behind-the-scenes negotiations somewhat like this: + Show Spoiler + NASL: I see I was wrong to expect Korea's commitment to at least match our own. Mr Chae: Doesn't it? [points to American progamer behind NASL] Mr. Chae: You there, what is your profession? American progamer: I am a student... sir. Mr. Chae: [points to another soldier] And you, American, what is your profession? American: Programmer, sir. Mr. Chae: Programmer. [turns to a third American progamer] Mr. Chae: You? American: Salesman. Mr. Chae: [turns back shouting] Koreans! What is your profession? Koreans: WAR! WAR! WAR! Mr. Chae: [turning to NASL] You see, old friend? I brought more soldiers than you did. +1 for the movie reference. | ||
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lagbzz
Poland171 Posts
Surprising to say the least. On a side note, I know that iNcontrol left the NASL for other reasons, but I wonder whether this played a part in his decision to leave. He left NASL a while before the finals and the whole puma drama Edit: Well derp derp, he casted the finals, now I remember ><. To make this post somewhat on topic. I wonder why they think NASL is so evil, they give them more money now, are they still afraid of "them" "stealing" their players? Sorry, but that was a buyout, and EG did propose it to Puma, so... Where is the logic here? They think NASL works with EG or what?? They will attend MLG, so for me, a simple TL user, it's pretty stupid and ignorant stance from Korean teams. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 12 2011 08:11 Sandro wrote: There goes 80% of NASL's viewers. Actually, I think it's much better this way, I definitely think that Koreans in that league would have been out of place and I prefer it this way, the Koreans also seemed to show an unacceptably high-and-mighty attitude and this actually increases my likelihood to watch these matches rather than decreasing it. | ||
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Nerfed
Russian Federation1132 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 21:43 Neoattitude wrote: that sucks... Their demands would only be fair if Korean Team/Committee do the same for none Koreans going to Korean Tournaments such as the GSL. Koreans shaft foreigners by having them play in significantly worse conditions though. They even go out of their way to help foreigners adjust by providing a house, arranging for practice partners and houses, and even starting partnerships with other leagues to bring players over and then bending over backwards to make sure those players can play. Compare that to how NASL treated the Koreans in season 1 and how they handled the scheduling and contracts for season 2. On August 12 2011 21:48 Needo wrote: Seriously? I dont give a damn about the "Koreans" there are only some of them that are really cool guys like MC or Boxer. But the rest of them cant even speak english. I enjoy watching guys playing against each other more when they have some kind of background in the community and i "Know" them. But some random koreans with no interest in the community or esport itself. Go play in your damn GSL i dont give a fuck. Well...some people honestly care about the game they watch more than who is playing. And as shocking as it sounds, some people actually realize you can't ban the top players of a game from tournaments in order to increase foreign winnings without hurting the legitimacy of the game. Not to mention, your attitude is what is contributing to the widening skill gap between Koreans and foreigners which is why most top foreigners either disagree with you and have expressed interest in going to Korea to train or have already done so. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
On August 12 2011 08:09 FabledIntegral wrote: Wowow. Really? Man, that sucks. $2,000 stipend and they STILL say no? And it's not like it's unlikely they'll make the Ro8, that's even more money to pay it off, right? Guess players like PuMa could play though since he's staying in the U.S. and I presume EG would cover the costs? Not surprised at all. It is indeed a safe move actually. Last time Team TSL lost a player there. | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
my support goes you guys at NASL, don't worry of bumps like this =) i'm sure it will be a great season 2 nonetheless | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On August 12 2011 22:00 danbel1005 wrote: Not surprised at all. It is indeed a safe move actually. Last time Team TSL lost a player there. TSL was probably expecting a slice of PuMa's prize money, instead he up and left. That's harsh, yo. PS: not talking about who's at fault because at this point no one (including myself) cares anymore | ||
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
On August 12 2011 21:22 jimbob615 wrote: The real reason for this is the money. The koreans that are participating are making lots of $$$ for NASL. The koreans want a slice of that pie, NASL don't want to hand slice over, hence the situation now. Koreans pull out, NASL makes much less pie, both end up losing. This is an interesting perspective. I guess the financial situation of NASL is itself very unclear. It's run as a private business, and they have no incentive to make their financial situation known. This is normal with a private business, and it's especially normal if that business is financially unstable. It would not surprise me in the least if the NASL as a business is on very shaky footing. It is a start-up company after all. The rate of succes of start up companies is not too great just going by statistics, and especially in some untried model, like esports. It's not unreasonable to speculate that the NASL is losing money. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
However wonder if some of this has to do with the fact that a TSL player was poached by the team who had people involved in the production of the NASL. That really gave me a bad feeling and hurts the professionalism of the NASL. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Once again this is foreigners and some koreans so it's way more fun for me! I want to see foreigners compete with Koreans. I will buy the season pass again! They will regret it for sure and there isn't much tournaments where the players have everything paid for them.. They need to understand that if they want to win money then have to spend money! Why don't they make a rule with their players so that the team gets a percentage of their wins? And please don't come again with the time difference and time consumption because to win 50K and considering their high chances they should be proud and happy to get up at 2AM because most of those players will never win GSL.. | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 21:53 lagbzz wrote: He left NASL a while before the finals and the whole puma drama Edit: Well derp derp, he casted the finals, now I remember ><. To make this post somewhat on topic. I wonder why they think NASL is so evil, they give them more money now, are they still afraid of "them" "stealing" their players? Sorry, but that was a buyout, and EG did propose it to Puma, so... Where is the logic here? They think NASL works with EG or what?? They will attend MLG, so for me, a simple TL user, it's pretty stupid and ignorant stance from Korean teams. Except regardless of what happened with Puma, the Koreans had every right to pull out from this NASL. They had to deal with an inordinate amount of BS from NASL last season and their contracts couldn't get done this season so...no dice. Please read the posts. They don't work with NASL because NASL treated them like crap last season and couldn't finish their contracts with them this season. They work with MLG because MLG works with them in order to better both of their respective leagues. Does that clear things up now? It's all there in the last few pages of posting. On August 12 2011 21:57 Shikyo wrote: Actually, I think it's much better this way, I definitely think that Koreans in that league would have been out of place and I prefer it this way, the Koreans also seemed to show an unacceptably high-and-mighty attitude and this actually increases my likelihood to watch these matches rather than decreasing it. How would they be out of place? By winning everything? The Koreans showed an unacceptably high and mighty attitude? Where were you during season 1 when they were walked all over by NASL? You want them to just bend over and take it again? I find it sad that people seem to be going out of their way to just bash the Koreans without caring about the circumstances and the history. | ||
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
On August 12 2011 21:48 Needo wrote: Seriously? I dont give a damn about the "Koreans" there are only some of them that are really cool guys like MC or Boxer. But the rest of them cant even speak english. I enjoy watching guys playing against each other more when they have some kind of background in the community and i "Know" them. But some random koreans with no interest in the community or esport itself. Go play in your damn GSL i dont give a fuck. Ill answer this with silence and head shaking!!! | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On August 12 2011 08:09 FabledIntegral wrote: Wowow. Really? Man, that sucks. $2,000 stipend and they STILL say no? And it's not like it's unlikely they'll make the Ro8, that's even more money to pay it off, right? Guess players like PuMa could play though since he's staying in the U.S. and I presume EG would cover the costs? This is a Korean Team thing, NOT a Korean player thing. Issue is the ones with money MC Nestea FruitDealer MVP Polt and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few all make it so long in the GSL that they don't have the time to come on their own and the Korean Teams don't want to front any dough. | ||
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