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On August 12 2011 20:49 SimDawg wrote:
Do people realize how horrible the play would be if it is was truly limited to NA only? It'd be like subsidizing North American esports. I'd rather have other people take the money and force NA players to get better, so we can cheer for them legitimately.
The silver lining here is 1-2-3-4 is bound to be Puma-Rain-Hero, etc. Nada MC included if they participate. This will make other Koreans want to join foreign teams, to break themselves of the SC2Con, which I think will make all of this turn out alright.
I definitely don't see Koreans wanting to join foreign teams just because a couple of other Koreans are participating in NASL...
It's been proven, Korean regiment is better than foreigner regiment
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I personally don't really care if the korean teams aren't included. It looks like the NASL tried all they could, constantly trying to reach a compromise but at some point you just need to accept it isn't going to work. Whilst Korea is a power house in SC2 esports it is NOT the only Starcraft 2 community out there.
There are so so many tallented and entertaining players to watch outside the korean server. I bought my NASL subscription last month and this news changes nothing - I'm still eagerly looking forward to the start of the season and supporting esports! If your going to ditch a tournament and boycott it because it doesn't have teams it tried hard to get - go watch the GSL where you know you'll find them. It's not the end of the world.
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On August 12 2011 20:57 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? MLG MLG
On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:
Nice way of backing your own NA fellows.
You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL.
I like the way things are going!
Contradicting yourself bud.
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On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going!
Looks like they're going the way that BW went. I guess you're okay with that
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On August 12 2011 20:57 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? MLG MLG
Nah, that's just non-Koreans, who can afford to travel, vs Koreans, who can afford to travel or are invited through the exchange program. I want a slugfest on an open field where people are not bound by the financial limits of their sponsors, but only by their own skill and dedication to practise! And that was supposed to be NASL, but I guess no more. :-(
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On August 12 2011 20:59 awu25 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! Looks like they're going the way that BW went. I guess you're okay with that
That dude obviously has no idea how bw 'went'.
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On August 12 2011 20:59 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:57 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? MLG MLG Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:
Nice way of backing your own NA fellows.
You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL.
I like the way things are going! Contradicting yourself bud.
Nope, because the NAs cant compete with KR at this moment. Of course they are going to smash them. What contradiction you talking about bud? Even level? There is none atm. Maybe later ^^
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On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD
Which is why Koreans will continue to own white dudes every time they meet up.
On August 12 2011 20:39 JoeAWESOME wrote:Well, the skill level of NASL just dropped a bit. Good for semi-good players who are on were close to qualifying for the NASL. They can now get some lime light 
It's good for undeserving players, bad for the league, and bad for the game. Not to mention, there are loads more deserving players toiling in Code B and Code A.
On August 12 2011 20:45 AnalThermometer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:20 dabom88 wrote:
Uhh, no. People can just like watching SC2. Being a fan doesn't involve having to support a shitty product or "have patience". The reason you may not like that business "excuse" is because that's simply the truth that you have no argument against.
And your MLG comparison doesn't hold up. MLG Dallas was 3 days of crap that was fixed in 2 months at Columbus. People HATED MLG after Dallas during those 2 months and doubted Columbus could be good. They don't expect things to improve until they actually do. NASL showed 3 months of crap and being unwilling to make changes and all signs pointing to Season 2 not being much better, especially with the lack of Koreans. Your definition of fan must be different from mine. I'm talking about someone who sticks with something or someone through both the good and bad times and actually cares about their success. By caring about the success of NASL you not only benefit the tournament but all the players who participate, and the scene as a whole. I'm not talking merely about a consumer, which is what you appear to be (and why you keep talking about business), who just shops around for the best they can get at the time. My comparison wasn't actually a direct one between NASL and MLG as tournaments and more about the fans, but the fact you're comparing NASL to MLG to show NASL in a negative light exemplifies what ridiculous people they're dealing with in those flame-filled threads. Some people here need a sense of perspective, it will take much more than 3 months for a startup to match the likes of MLG. lol.
A fan of SC2 is a fan of the product. That does not mean they have to like NASL. That does not mean they have to like Col gaming. That does not mean they have to like SlayerS Jessica. It does not mean they have to like Korea(ns). All it means is that they like SC2 and want it to succeed. By demanding higher levels of production and play, these fans are driving the SC2 scene forward. By being content with mediocrity, others are holding it back. That's all it comes down to. When MLG sucked, fans raged. They picked up the slack and had an awesome tournament the next time around. When NASL sucked, fans raged. They responded by dropping the ball with their players and contracts and are left scrambling to fill a void left by the best players they had all withdrawing from the tourney. Until they improve, fans should, and will, complain. Remember, a fan of SC2 isn't trying to grow NASL. They are trying to grow sc2.
On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction
Are you serious? No offense to NA players, and this is coming from someone in NA but that tournament would suck. We simply don't have enough high level players to do a major tournament like that. The only place that does is Korea and they do GSL.
On August 12 2011 20:47 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? ...........So did the Koreans?? NASL was literally paying for everything. Sad news about it, but I mean if they don't want to play a bo3 (?) a week at an odd hour and then get a free ride to the finals if they make it, it's their choice, shouldn't be up to Sc2's KeSPA
Get your facts straight. It's not just 3 months of getting up at odd hours to play a b/o3. It's 3 months of screwing up their schedule and practice times to accommodate a tournament that doesn't care much about their playing conditions and, in their eyes, won't properly compensate them. Also, stop with the silly comparisons with SC2con and KeSPA. KeSPA is a bunch of businessmen trying to run BW for profit. SC2con is a group of coaches, team members, and owners trying to get the most for their players.
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I can fully understand the koreans. The cheapest direct flight i found via search is around 2000$ (1400 Euros) . So all the money (reminding that 1000$ of the 2k are from the prizemoney!) would direct go into the flight, with hotel and food still needed to be paid. From Europe the flight costs are just about half the money, so you can't compare this that easy. I think the main problem is, that NASL didn't pay a cent of the price money for season 1 until now. Another problem are the ongoing organisation issues with schedule problems (timezones), the bad tournament structure and lag while playing online. So they invest a lot (money and effort) to participate without seeing too much rewards for it.
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On August 12 2011 20:50 oxxo wrote:
I will never understand this mentality.
Don't you like SC2?
Of course.
Don't you want to see the best players? Who cares what their nationality is?
I want to see the players that I like the best. Its like in any other sport, people will always cheer for the home team and watch their games, even if the quality of the play isn't the best in the world. If you like football, should you exclusively watch Champions League just because they have the best players?
I prefer watching foreigners because I've learned to know the players personalities and have been following them since the beginning of SC2. They are essentially the "home team" for me.
Even for people like you who love foreigners so much, don't you want them to get better? You get better by playing better players, and the best players right now are Korean. By far.
I don't really care either way. I enjoy watching Starcraft for what it is, this whole Korean - foreigner conflict doesn't really matter to me.
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On August 12 2011 21:04 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:59 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:57 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:
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For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? MLG MLG On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:
Nice way of backing your own NA fellows.
You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL.
I like the way things are going! Contradicting yourself bud. Nope, because the NAs cant compete with KR at this moment. Of course they are going to smash them. What contradiction you talking about bud? Even level? There is none atm. Maybe later ^^
Since apparently I have to spell it out for you:
On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:
Nice way of backing your own NA fellows.
You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL.
I like the way things are going!
On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:
I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that?
On August 12 2011 20:57 Psychobabas wrote:
MLG MLG
To continue spelling it out for you:
First you said "You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG". Then someone asked "I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that?" And you answered "MLG", immediately after you said it was about "koreans smashing foreigners". You are clearly contradicting yourself.
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On August 12 2011 21:04 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:59 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:57 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:
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For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? MLG MLG On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:
Nice way of backing your own NA fellows.
You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL.
I like the way things are going! Contradicting yourself bud. Nope, because the NAs cant compete with KR at this moment. Of course they are going to smash them. What contradiction you talking about bud? Even level? There is none atm. Maybe later ^^
And by advocating a NA only event you are ensuring that Korea will always be > the rest. I'm done trying to enlighten you. Your statements are as confusing and contradictive as they are frequent. I am not sure if english is your native tounge but please ensure you clarify your statements before hitting post.
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On August 12 2011 21:09 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 21:04 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:59 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:57 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:
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Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up?
Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? MLG MLG On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:
Nice way of backing your own NA fellows.
You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL.
I like the way things are going! Contradicting yourself bud. Nope, because the NAs cant compete with KR at this moment. Of course they are going to smash them. What contradiction you talking about bud? Even level? There is none atm. Maybe later ^^ Since apparently I have to spell it out for you: Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:
Nice way of backing your own NA fellows.
You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL.
I like the way things are going! Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:
I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? To continue spelling it out for you: First you said "You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG". Then someone asked "I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that?" And you answered "MLG", immediately after you said it was about "koreans smashing foreigners". You are clearly contradicting yourself.
party hat on!
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On August 12 2011 20:20 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:13 AnalThermometer wrote:On August 12 2011 20:00 dabom88 wrote:
Then when, or even if, the issues are fixed, the fans will support it. That's how business works, it's not up to the fans to "be patient" and keep NASL afloat. It's up to NASL to provide a product the fans wants and the fans will respond appropriately. If the NASL fails, it failed because it did a bad job of doing that. Lols, please don't throw the catch-all "that's how business works" excuse. It's not up to the fans to do anything, however people need to stop pretending they care about SC2 if they don't want to support the NA scene. There are people who go and watch small regional tournaments or leagues in many sports, they don't go there expecting the best quality entertainment, but they go there to support the growth of something they care about. Just going through the NASL finals thread shows the SC2 fanbase is basically made up of children, even MLG got pooped on from a great height after one event had technichal problems. Then the next event was the best ever. How quickly minds change. Uhh, no. People can just like watching SC2. Being a fan doesn't involve having to support a shitty product or "have patience". The reason you may not like that business "excuse" is because that's simply the truth that you have no argument against. And your MLG comparison doesn't hold up. MLG Dallas was 3 days of crap that was fixed in 2 months at Columbus. People HATED MLG after Dallas during those 2 months and doubted Columbus could be good. They don't expect things to improve until they actually do. NASL showed 3 months of crap and being unwilling to make changes and all signs pointing to Season 2 not being much better, especially with the lack of Koreans.
Not to mentioned that MLG had experience in LAN tournament long before MLG Dallas and they failed pretty hard. People are ripping on NASL S1 final but neglect to see that NASL is still new and was not as experience as MLG.
People should stop jumping the boat and give NASL a chance. When NASL first started and was announced, I didn't even expected for there to be any Koreans in the tournament. I was just happy to see the best of NA/EU fighting it out.
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I think this decision will change eventually. I mean I can't see ALL the Koreans missing out, considering how well they did in NASL1. There are also plenty of good players outside of Korea...soooo, not totally worried. It will still be a good event with super-high level play. NASL will continue to do fine.
Not happy to see Boxer has withdrawn though...
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I'm really glad that you guys tried and raised that budget by tons considering that it's for each player.
Unfortunate they still decided to decline, imo this hurts the players more than anything.
Good luck NASL!
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On August 12 2011 20:50 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:18 Big-t wrote:
To be honest, i like that. At season 1 it was so boring seeing only the korians ruling all matches. Now the foreigener will have a good chance to win that.
I will be wtaching NASL 2 for sure. I will never understand this mentality. Don't you like SC2? Don't you want to see the best players? Who cares what their nationality is? Even for people like you who love foreigners so much, don't you want them to get better? You get better by playing better players, and the best players right now are Korean. By far.
You will never understand this mentality ?. Are you trying to say you're retarded ?
The mentality is "Why are all these foreigners competing when in the end the Koreans take all prizes, might as well just cut to the Ro16 or Ro8 and have the Koreans duke it out there?"
Is it that hard to understand that the disparity in skill between Koreans/non koreans makes for shitty games and you'll have to wait for Korean on Korean games in order to make things interesting.
In BW I never watched the Korean vs foreigner games at WCG just for that reason.
I'm not of the opinion that the NASL should be a foreigner only tournament, Koreans should compete and win wherever they can as they are the best and worked hard for it. But having a handfull of Koreans in a tournament full of foreigners makes for a bland tournament before the Koreans are playing each other.
However I do understand that having no Koreans at all makes the entire tournament a bit bland for a lot of people, but there's only so much NASL can do about that.
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On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that?
Anywhere but NASL. Unless you consider Koreans playing with extra latency at 4am in the morning even footing.
On August 12 2011 20:58 XanT wrote:
I personally don't really care if the korean teams aren't included. It looks like the NASL tried all they could, constantly trying to reach a compromise but at some point you just need to accept it isn't going to work. Whilst Korea is a power house in SC2 esports it is NOT the only Starcraft 2 community out there.
There are so so many tallented and entertaining players to watch outside the korean server. I bought my NASL subscription last month and this news changes nothing - I'm still eagerly looking forward to the start of the season and supporting esports! If your going to ditch a tournament and boycott it because it doesn't have teams it tried hard to get - go watch the GSL where you know you'll find them. It's not the end of the world.
The NASL did all they could? How about having the common sense and decency to not subject just one group of players to what amounted to a handicap for the entire tournament and then not expect them to gripe about it? You could easily say the same for the Koreans. They tried to get the most for their players after the fiasco that was season 1 but NASL wouldn't agree so they pulled out. The key is, there was no contract so they are completely right to do so...and NASL is completely responsible for fixing their tournament. People aren't ditching NASL because of no Koreans. People are ditching NASL because now that the best players aren't there, the overall level of play is going down and the production quality was never that high to begin with.
On August 12 2011 21:01 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:57 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote:On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote:LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler +And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? MLG MLG Nah, that's just non-Koreans, who can afford to travel, vs Koreans, who can afford to travel or are invited through the exchange program. I want a slugfest on an open field where people are not bound by the financial limits of their sponsors, but only by their own skill and dedication to practise! And that was supposed to be NASL, but I guess no more. :-(
NASL was never like that. You can take your pick of reasons
A.) Latency issues for the Koreans
B.) Play times for the Koreans
C.) Scheduling conflicts
D.) All of the above
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How 'bout NaDa, MC and SK?
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The real reason for this is the money. The koreans that are participating are making lots of $$$ for NASL. The koreans want a slice of that pie, NASL don't want to hand slice over, hence the situation now. Koreans pull out, NASL makes much less pie, both end up losing.
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