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Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 124
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Irex
6 Posts
This + Replay casting makes it so boring to watch <.< | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
I will be wtaching NASL 2 for sure. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:13 AnalThermometer wrote: Lols, please don't throw the catch-all "that's how business works" excuse. It's not up to the fans to do anything, however people need to stop pretending they care about SC2 if they don't want to support the NA scene. There are people who go and watch small regional tournaments or leagues in many sports, they don't go there expecting the best quality entertainment, but they go there to support the growth of something they care about. Just going through the NASL finals thread shows the SC2 fanbase is basically made up of children, even MLG got pooped on from a great height after one event had technichal problems. Then the next event was the best ever. How quickly minds change. Uhh, no. People can just like watching SC2. Being a fan doesn't involve having to support a shitty product or "have patience". The reason you may not like that business "excuse" is because that's simply the truth that you have no argument against. And your MLG comparison doesn't hold up. MLG Dallas was 3 days of crap that was fixed in 2 months at Columbus. People HATED MLG after Dallas during those 2 months and doubted Columbus could be good. They don't expect things to improve until they actually do. NASL showed 3 months of crap and being unwilling to make changes and all signs pointing to Season 2 not being much better, especially with the lack of Koreans. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Seriously, I still hope for some kind of happy end in this matter. I know several people who decided to buy a ticket to see the best of the best compete in a league outside of Korea. I hope both parties can still gets their head clear, sit together and work something out. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:04 tripper688 wrote: To answer your question: MLG never had the production/management/and technical problems to the scale of NASL. MLG is a short commitment that doesn't boil over into other commitments when something goes wrong. MLG actively participates with GOM and Korea to set up optimal programs for Koreans and Foreigners alike to attend both GSL and MLG for the betterment of each other and esports. on the other hand NASL repeatedly showed disregard for technical and scheduling difficulties for Koreans NASL is a long term commitment that has already shown itself to conflict with other events including more prestigious ones. NASL (to my knowledge) does not actively participate with GOM and Korea to work out optimal programs for both leagues, at least not to the extent of MLG. Still so disgusted by the Koreans? Because for most of them, it's not worth the 3 months of headache to try and get to Ro16 where they will face mostly Koreans again. Especially since 8 of those players are going to go home with basically nothing. Top 16 get $1000 winnings + $1000 stipend which barely covers travel costs. Only top 8 make more. Going home with nothing (actually less than nothing since the team/sponsors/players have to pay for their own fare) is standard for like 80-90% of pro players going to a tournament. I don't believe the tournament is obligated to pay for players to come there, even the 500 dollar travel stipend they had in season 1 was special compared to most other tournaments. How many koreans have gone to the two MLG so far that didn't have their travel paid by a MLG/GOM or a foreign team? I can only think of Ganzi and Alicia (July got his from CSN, Choya from FXO, the other 8 in pool play from MLG/GOM). | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:13 AnalThermometer wrote: Lols, please don't throw the catch-all "that's how business works" excuse. It's not up to the fans to do anything, however people need to stop pretending they care about SC2 if they don't want to support the NA scene so people can stop wasting money on tournaments for them. There are people who go and watch small regional tournaments or leagues in many sports, they don't go there expecting the best quality entertainment, but they go there to support the growth of something they care about. Just going through the NASL finals thread shows the SC2 fanbase is basically made up of children, even MLG got pooped on from a great height after one event had technichal problems. Then the next event was the best ever. How quickly minds change. Judging by your post, you're not much better. People can and will still tune in to NASL, that's not an issue. It's not an issue if they get less viewers either because that's what happens with small, regional, or minor league tournaments. You do however, need to stop pretending that you care about SC2 if you wish to just promote the foreigner leagues and minor leagues in such a way because that will never create parity or close the skill gap. Koreans will still own white dudes in any fair tournament unless white dudes play better. The only way they play better is by more exposure to and play against Koreans which doesn't happen unless leagues like NASL shape up. On August 12 2011 20:18 Big-t wrote: To be honest, i like that. At season 1 it was so boring seeing only the korians ruling all matches. Now the foreigener will have a good chance to win that. I will be wtaching NASL 2 for sure. Lol. Replace "Korians" with "Better players" and see how ridiculous that sounds. They didn't win because they were Korean. They won because they were better. Taking them out won't close the skill gap...it'll only widen it and then it'll just become "Koreans own white dudes" x 2 at the next open lan. That's the problem people are having with the lack of Koreans in NASL. You're taking the best players out which means lower quality of play and lower competition for foreigners to get better against. | ||
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rontol
71 Posts
Better luck next season | ||
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blowfish
Austria238 Posts
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:26 Lobo2me wrote: Going home with nothing (actually less than nothing since the team/sponsors/players have to pay for their own fare) is standard for like 80-90% of pro players going to a tournament. I don't believe the tournament is obligated to pay for players to come there, even the 500 dollar travel stipend they had in season 1 was special compared to most other tournaments. How many koreans have gone to the two MLG so far that didn't have their travel paid by a MLG/GOM or a foreign team? I can only think of Ganzi and Alicia (July got his from CSN, Choya from FXO, the other 8 in pool play from MLG/GOM). Going home with nothing is fine if you didn't put up with 3 months of BS before hand. The stipend is a lot compared to other tournaments because other tournaments don't take up 3 months of your time and (if you're Korean), stack the odds against you. When you're doing NASL, you have to schedule 3 months around NASL so you don't screw up preparation for that and make it back on time for every weekly b/o3. MLG is free because of partnerships with GOM and private partnerships between teams. It's like saying nani/thorz/sjow/sase all get to go to code A for free. The partnerships work both ways. There exists no such partnership for NASL. | ||
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
The issue with not having enough travel stipend seems pretty simple to me. If the Korean teams cannot afford to send their players to the finals and NASL cannot afford to help pay for the costs then there's no point in the Korean players playing a long and arduous season of matches only to face serious financial difficulties when it comes to the finals. I think this is going to be terrible for the league, and I wish they could work this out. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler + And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD | ||
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:18 Big-t wrote: To be honest, i like that. At season 1 it was so boring seeing only the korians ruling all matches. Now the foreigener will have a good chance to win that. I will be wtaching NASL 2 for sure. Sarcasm? Besides 'foreigeners' still finish 2nd as long as there is a korean. Who cares where the players are from, seriously. Get the guys with the most skill and the fans will watch. I don't admire Koreans, or Americans or Swed's. I admire micro and macro. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:26 Lobo2me wrote: Going home with nothing (actually less than nothing since the team/sponsors/players have to pay for their own fare) is standard for like 80-90% of pro players going to a tournament. I don't believe the tournament is obligated to pay for players to come there, even the 500 dollar travel stipend they had in season 1 was special compared to most other tournaments. How many koreans have gone to the two MLG so far that didn't have their travel paid by a MLG/GOM or a foreign team? I can only think of Ganzi and Alicia (July got his from CSN, Choya from FXO, the other 8 in pool play from MLG/GOM). Ganzi and Alicia didn't have to wake up at odd hours for 3 months on bad latency to get to MLG. | ||
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Jnai
United States442 Posts
The deal becomes a lot sweeter if, say, Nestea can enter the Open, get $500 for half his plane ticket, and come stomp face in a 16-person tournament with 10 people who couldn't make the Code A qualifiers. I wonder if the Korean withdrawal also means that players from those teams are banned from participating in the Open. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:36 Psychobabas wrote: LOL Koreans really are stripped of cash it seems. Oh well, time to make the NASL the North American Starleague. Good news from my perspective. + Show Spoiler + And I bet your bottom dollar most NA players are thinking the same xD For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? | ||
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
Good for semi-good players who are on were close to qualifying for the NASL. They can now get some lime light  | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:38 dabom88 wrote: Ganzi and Alicia didn't have to wake up at odd hours for 3 months on bad latency to get to MLG. Right, so MLG owes them? ROFL | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:39 dabom88 wrote: For the 100th time, then why are EU and South American players in the NASL? Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? | ||
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NuclearJudas
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