EPTOn August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote:
Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up?
Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up?
Could you clarify exactly what you mean in this post?
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
Could you clarify exactly what you mean in this post? | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote: Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote: Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? Would you really enjoy the NASL as much if it was purely North America? :D I mean there are good players there, just not that many. | ||
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:20 dabom88 wrote: Uhh, no. People can just like watching SC2. Being a fan doesn't involve having to support a shitty product or "have patience". The reason you may not like that business "excuse" is because that's simply the truth that you have no argument against. And your MLG comparison doesn't hold up. MLG Dallas was 3 days of crap that was fixed in 2 months at Columbus. People HATED MLG after Dallas during those 2 months and doubted Columbus could be good. They don't expect things to improve until they actually do. NASL showed 3 months of crap and being unwilling to make changes and all signs pointing to Season 2 not being much better, especially with the lack of Koreans. Your definition of fan must be different from mine. I'm talking about someone who sticks with something or someone through both the good and bad times and actually cares about their success. By caring about the success of NASL you not only benefit the tournament but all the players who participate, and the scene as a whole. I'm not talking merely about a consumer, which is what you appear to be (and why you keep talking about business), who just shops around for the best they can get at the time. My comparison wasn't actually a direct one between NASL and MLG as tournaments and more about the fans, but the fact you're comparing NASL to MLG to show NASL in a negative light exemplifies what ridiculous people they're dealing with in those flame-filled threads. Some people here need a sense of perspective, it will take much more than 3 months for a startup to match the likes of MLG. lol. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:44 dabom88 wrote: Still doesn't make any sense to have them according to your logic, since this is the NORTH AMERICAN Star League, not the "play only if you have the money to travel" Star League. Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction | ||
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Cartel
Canada255 Posts
Does anyone else have the feeling theres more behind this decision than is known to the public so far? Other forces at play here? I wont mention what it is but it seems kind of obvious to me. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:32 tripper688 wrote: Going home with nothing is fine if you didn't put up with 3 months of BS before hand. The stipend is a lot compared to other tournaments because other tournaments don't take up 3 months of your time and (if you're Korean), stack the odds against you. When you're doing NASL, you have to schedule 3 months around NASL so you don't screw up preparation for that and make it back on time for every weekly b/o3. MLG is free because of partnerships with GOM and private partnerships between teams. It's like saying nani/thorz/sjow/sase all get to go to code A for free. The partnerships work both ways. There exists no such partnership for NASL. If going home with nothing is fine if it's only a single tournament, then why have only 2 koreans in MLG had their fares paid for by a korean team (there will be 2 more in next MLG I think)? Why aren't there 30-50 koreans in every single MLG open bracket? I think a lot of it is economy. And that's completely fine, if they don't think it's worth it (or they can't afford it on their own) then it's not worth it for them. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote: Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR Can't tell if serious or not. Are you seriously saying NASL should be NA only? | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:42 Psychobabas wrote: Because, unfortunately, they have money backing them up? ...........So did the Koreans?? NASL was literally paying for everything. Sad news about it, but I mean if they don't want to play a bo3 (?) a week at an odd hour and then get a free ride to the finals if they make it, it's their choice, shouldn't be up to Sc2's KeSPA | ||
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:45 Psychobabas wrote: Yep, it doesnt make sense. I agree with you. NASL should be NA, not EU+NA+KR oh well, a good step in the right direction HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. | ||
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luckynr7
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
The silver lining here is 1-2-3-4 is bound to be Puma-Rain-Hero, etc. Nada MC included if they participate. This will make other Koreans want to join foreign teams, to break themselves of the SC2Con, which I think will make all of this turn out alright. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:18 Big-t wrote: To be honest, i like that. At season 1 it was so boring seeing only the korians ruling all matches. Now the foreigener will have a good chance to win that. I will be wtaching NASL 2 for sure. I will never understand this mentality. Don't you like SC2? Don't you want to see the best players? Who cares what their nationality is? Even for people like you who love foreigners so much, don't you want them to get better? You get better by playing better players, and the best players right now are Korean. By far. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:38 AdamBanks wrote: Sarcasm? Besides 'foreigeners' still finish 2nd as long as there is a korean. Who cares where the players are from, seriously. Get the guys with the most skill and the fans will watch. I don't admire Koreans, or Americans or Swed's. I admire micro and macro. no its just you see koreans on that leven often inGSL and seeing kor vs kor isnt that best | ||
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lgn!
Italy224 Posts
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Psychobabas
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On August 12 2011 20:49 AdamBanks wrote: HF selling that. No one wants to watch garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job other then other garbage mediocre players who practice 3 hours a day and work a full time job. Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:45 AnalThermometer wrote: Your definition of fan must be different from mine. I'm talking about someone who sticks with something or someone through both the good and bad times and actually cares about their success. By caring about the success of NASL you not only benefit the tournament but all the players who participate, and the scene as a whole. I'm not talking merely about a consumer, which is what you appear to be (and why you keep talking about business), who just shops around for the best they can get at the time. My comparison wasn't actually a direct one between NASL and MLG as tournaments and more about the fans, but the fact you're comparing NASL to MLG to show NASL in a negative light exemplifies what ridiculous people they're dealing with in those flame-filled threads. Some people here need a sense of perspective, it will take much more than 3 months for a startup to match the likes of MLG. lol. To me a fan is someone who likes a product. These aren't "good times and bad times", this is ONE tournament. I think that as a fan, if this tournament is not doing things you think are the right way to do things, it's actually your duty as a fan to give support to tournaments you think ARE doing things the right way. Nowhere in my definition of a fan does a fan support something they think is bad. You're making the assumption that all "true" SC2 fans think NASL is good for e-sports. They don't. And my response to your comparison was about fan response. Surprise, if fans think something sucks, they'll say it sucks. They said MLG sucked when it sucked. They said it was good when it became good. The same applies for NASL, no special treatment. They'll say NASL sucks if they think it does. And they'll keep saying it until they feel that it has stopped sucking, or it folds. | ||
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captive411
United States80 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:52 Psychobabas wrote: Nice way of backing your own NA fellows. You want to see koreans smashing foreigners? MLG. You want the higher level of play? GSL You want to see your own countrymen duking it out? NASL. I like the way things are going! I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:56 JustPassingBy wrote: I want to see people outside Korea compete with the Koreans on even footing, where can I get that? MLG MLG | ||
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