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On August 12 2011 18:20 theBizness wrote:
$1000 in prizes, a majority of which will go toward the rest of the airfare, lodgings and food during the tournament. Unless you win, you're messing with your regular schedule for 8 weeks plus making a long flight for something around $350. If you factor in 1.5 hours for each match including warm up, that's 12 hours. Factor in 35 hours flying + the time spent at the tournament and you're making a couple dollars an hour. All of this time could be invested in better preparing for more important/easier things like the GSL/other tournaments.
What about the euros/na guys that play and know they don't have much of a chance if the koreans go? Their teams also pay for them to go to these events with a slim chance of winning and yet the SK guys get paid to play? fuck that... It should be equal to everybody!
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in my opnion it is not correct what they are doing.
and i think its funny how it sounds like mr chae decided for all teams as if they dont got their own managers etc.
last time the money was enoug......
still i hope this nasl will be as interesting as the last one ^^
wish you good luck and the others viewers fun 
and gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sen
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On August 12 2011 19:38 jimbob615 wrote:
whatever, who cares if korea plays? THORZAIN will win anyway!
sure he did great against slayers yugioh
oh wait
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Thank god we dont have to watch those cocky elitists playing in NORTH AMERICAN star league.
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On August 12 2011 19:27 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:23 Abdool wrote:According to FXOBoSs, the real reason for the Koreans to pull back is not financial reasons as it is obvious that NASL offered a very good deal, but rather for an disclosed reason. FXOBoSs just said that on his twitch TV stream ( http://www.twitch.tv/FXOBoSs)while he him self is a part of the SC2Con. About FXOSC, he said that SC really wants to participate, but as a part of SC2Con BoSs said that SC cannot participate, but there is still hope for SC as he will talk to the SC2Con and see if they will agree on that. FXOBoSs talks about all sort of stuff about SC2 and easports in general. I personally love listening to his comments and opinions. And this is what really bothers me. Quite frankly not allowing any player to play, especially when his team can afford it (i bet oGs can afford to send MC, especially with the SK deal) is bull shit.
I think it was posted that oGs was one of the teams with gripes.
On August 12 2011 19:30 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:26 tripper688 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:11 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 19:05 tripper688 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:03 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:56 Novalisk wrote:On August 12 2011 18:50 jmbthirteen wrote:
Total amount of money won by Koreans (on Korean based teams) at NASL Final: $84,500
Average earnings per Korean(on Korean based teams) at NASL Final: $10,562.50
Only Zenio, Boxer and Alive won the minimum $500 prize for 9-16th. The next two lowest finishers of the Koreans were Squirtle and Moon who both made $1,500. July won $5,000. MC won $25,000 and Puma won $50,000
Of teams that went:
TSL won $50,500
oGs won $25,500
ST won $6,500
Fox won $1,500
Slayers won $500
I would say the Koreans made out pretty damn well on average from NASL. Teams should have in their contracts with players (if they have contracts... thats another discussion) that they receive a certain percentage of their players winnings. Teams definitely can make money off of NASL participation. Keep in mind there is more to this than prize money. Most Korean teams don't have worldwide sponsors, and the korean-brand sponsors have no incentive to send the players abroad. If anything they'd prefer their players to keep a regular sleep schedule, so their GSL performance stays unhindered. Of course there is. But thats why teams should be taking a portion of the winnings. Foreign teams do this. I remember Idra talking about this and how EG does receive a portion of his winnings. Its a pretty standard thing. I completely understand why Korean teams are not playing in NASL. They can't afford to. Thats fine. But I think its ridiculous to ask NASL to pay for them to be in it. I also think its ridiculous that they went and qualified for the tournament only to drop out right at the start of the season. Then it should also be ridiculous that they had to play in sub par conditions throughout online phase as well as not be given time to voice complaints. Think for a second about the implications that would have for the tournament if they made a big stink about scheduling and latency and pay while everyone was still playing. You can complain whenever the hell you want to. You just don't make the complaints public. You go to Xeris and Russ, the tournament admins, and try to come up with a solution. You think the NFL and the NFLPA didn't have talks during the season about their dispute? They did. You should constantly be working to better your conditions, not just in the off season, especially when its so short. How is NASL supposed to know that the Korean teams are broke and have no money to fly to the Finals? Agreeing to join the tournament is implying that they do have the funds. Playing qualifiers =/= committing to a 3 month long tournament. Especially without a contract. The only commitment for playing qualifiers is the entry fee. There were complaints throughout the tournament from players and representatives concerning scheduling. When July took his first no show victory after preparing at 4am, it was noted by his reps. When Strelok was stood up because of scheduling conflicts, he complained about that too. Things like this were well known to NASL staff. Right now, the Koreans complained, NASL and Koreans couldn't solve the issue, the Koreans pulled out. That's all there is. On August 12 2011 19:15 Namu wrote:On August 12 2011 19:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 19:02 Namu wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:54 tripper688 wrote:On August 12 2011 18:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:28 Namu wrote:On August 12 2011 18:26 jmbthirteen wrote:
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To me it seems that they complained after they qualified. And if you don't like the circumstances and complained before them, why even try to qualify? I see your point, but weren't the qualifiers ran during season 1? They were ran after the playoffs but before the grand finals. If all of this was such a big issue, why weren't these complaints made during season one? This is something that should have been worked on since then. They were made in preparation for season 2. Which is when complaints should be made. Most teams wait until the offseason to do CBA's and the like so it doesn't interfere with or take away from the current play. It doesn't help that qualifiers took place during season 1 and the qualifiers were extremely rushed. On August 12 2011 18:35 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:31 Blitz Beat wrote:On August 12 2011 18:26 jmbthirteen wrote:
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To me it seems that they complained after they qualified. And if you don't like the circumstances and complained before them, why even try to qualify? Not to agree or disagree but... Players qualify -> don't like the tournament or can't attend due to other circumstances -> withdraw / decline tournament spot. Happens in the North American / EU scene all the time. I don't get your argument. I don't like it and hate that it happens in any tournament by any player, regardless of where they are from. Its unprofessional. The players that qualify knew what they were getting into. They need to make their mind up before qualifying. They need to make up their mind before qualifying? What are they making up their mind on? AFAIK, there is no set contract laid out before them that addresses the issues at hand before, or during qualifiers. If anything, that's the fault of the organizers for not getting on top of the ball and either having a contract or a contingency. And stop with the argument about the timing of their complaint. They complained in preparation for season 2. That is when they should be complaining. Not in the middle of season 1 playoffs where the complaints will cast a shadow over the remainder of the tournament given the Korean presence there. On August 12 2011 18:37 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:33 Namu wrote:On August 12 2011 18:30 jmbthirteen wrote:
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They were ran after the playoffs but before the grand finals. If all of this was such a big issue, why weren't these complaints made during season one? This is something that should have been worked on since then. i'm pretty sure complaints about scheduling was made public by a few during nasl 1. We don't know if they talked about the stipends. I think they just didnt collectively talk about this during season 1 and ended up doing so between season 1 and 2.. which seems fine. If they talked about it for only like a couple of days then i'd say that's a problem, but we don't really know that so they made no official complaints or asked for things to be changed until preparation for season 2 began. Again, that is when they should be making complaints to get things changed for season 2. On August 12 2011 18:39 Namu wrote:On August 12 2011 18:37 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:33 Namu wrote:
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i'm pretty sure complaints about scheduling was made public by a few during nasl 1. We don't know if they talked about the stipends. I think they just didnt collectively talk about this during season 1 and ended up doing so between season 1 and 2.. which seems fine. If they talked about it for only like a couple of days then i'd say that's a problem, but we don't really know that so
they made no official complaints or asked for things to be changed until preparation for season 2 began. I don't understand your point. Isn't that what "preparation time" is for? ^This. You might as well blame the scheduling if you're going to complain about when the Koreans complained. Which is completely under NASL control. With qualifiers being at the tail end of season 1, you can't wait until season 1 is finished to make these complaints. They need to be made before qualifiers to allow NASL to try and comply. Players and teams need to make up their mind about playing in the tournament. Pretty straight forward. No contract will be signed or offered before a player qualifies for the tournament. If they had a long off season, then sure a complaint between the season makes sense. But when qualifiers take place at the end of season 1 and the off season is about a month, it needs to be talked about before then. Again, why is talking about this during the preparation time unreasonable? that's exactly the time to talk about it, there's nothing unreasonable about it. And i think there was enough time fo NASL to comply, but they just couldn't or wouldn't. No contracts were signed, they talked about it, things didn't work out, they withdrew. I don't understand what's wrong with that... The preparation time takes place after the Korean players have qualified for season 2. Its not even about contracts being signed or not. Its about teams having their players go through qualifiers knowing what the terms are only to pull them out later because they don't like the terms. Just don't attempt to qualify. It may have been long enough if the communication was perfect, but clearly it was not. NASL had to go through Mr. Chae for this whole thing as sc2con wasn't communicating with them. NASL made up a plan and it took sc2con awhile to reject it. How is Dr. Chae being the communication source "sc2con not communicating?" Dr. Chae is in charge of almost all foreign tournament relations and is in charge of GSL, he was communicating for sc2con. Saying they didn't communicate because they talked through a mediator is stupid. (also they may have talked through dr. chae due to language problems) They qualified, talked about the terms before season started/contracts were signed, withdrew. What's the problem here? I think you're giving qualification more meaning than it carries.. I think that's the biggest problem jmb has here. The only commitment that qualification carries is the entry fee. Whether or not you choose to participate afterward is entirely up to you and if you don't, the organizer should have a contingency. On August 12 2011 19:16 AxionSteel wrote:On August 12 2011 18:05 IceDice wrote:
Are the european and other non-US players getting their trips paid for ?
No reason to give the korean players special treatment if you ask me. No they're not. And I agree with you I agree with you too but you need to stop ignoring the fact that Koreans were treated especially badly in comparison to EU/NA players in season 1. Do you realize how dumb that sounds. Oh I'm going to try and qualify for this tournament, knowing that its three months long and all, but if I qualify I don't know if I will actually play in it. Why are you qualifying for a tournament you might not want to play in? Thats a waste of everyone's time and money.
It's not dumb at all. They're not going into the qualifiers going "Oh I don't know if I want to commit to this." They're going in with the notion of "Oh I'll qualify for this tourney and hopefully I won't have to deal with the Season 1 BS." It's no less dumb than saying "Oh I'll start a tournament but I won't have any contracts for a third of my players and I'll just pray they go along with everything."
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On August 12 2011 19:38 jimbob615 wrote:
whatever, who cares if korea plays? THORZAIN will win anyway!
Except that he withdrew from the tournament.
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On August 12 2011 19:44 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:38 jimbob615 wrote:
whatever, who cares if korea plays? THORZAIN will win anyway! Except that he withdrew from the tournament.
Him and Naniwa, Naniwa saying that he was glad it was over in his last match in S1.
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Vatican City State334 Posts
If tourneys in the west can't stand on their own two feet without korean players then maybe the SC2 eSports scene isn't as promising as it looks. Time NA fans actually started caring about NA players and stopped being koreaboos, if the biggest SC2 tournament by prizepool fails spectaularly it's going to look horrible and you probably won't get another one. Amazed by the amount of people who want to stick the boot in to NASL.
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On August 12 2011 19:47 AnalThermometer wrote:
If tourneys in the west can't stand on their own two feet without korean players then maybe the SC2 eSports scene isn't as promising as it looks. Time NA fans actually started caring about NA players and stopped being koreaboos, if the biggest SC2 tournament by prizepool fails spectaularly it's going to look horrible and you probably won't get another one. Amazed by the amount of people who want to stick the boot in to NASL.
prizepool doesnt matter
its all about production quality and management of the tournament imho
thats the reason why mlg or ipl that had much smaller prizepools were much better received then NASL
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On August 12 2011 19:42 Pigy wrote:
Thank god we dont have to watch those cocky elitists playing in NORTH AMERICAN star league.
really? what about europeans?
and do you nto enjoy watching the best people play?
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On August 12 2011 19:47 AnalThermometer wrote:
If tourneys in the west can't stand on their own two feet without korean players then maybe the SC2 eSports scene isn't as promising as it looks. Time NA fans actually started caring about NA players and stopped being koreaboos, if the biggest SC2 tournament by prizepool fails spectaularly it's going to look horrible and you probably won't get another one. Amazed by the amount of people who want to stick the boot in to NASL.
You act if everyone cares if there isn't another NASL. Surprise, not everyone cares about a tournament they feel is run horribly. NASL can burn for all they care if it continues to run the way it is.
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On August 12 2011 19:38 shell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:20 theBizness wrote:
$1000 in prizes, a majority of which will go toward the rest of the airfare, lodgings and food during the tournament. Unless you win, you're messing with your regular schedule for 8 weeks plus making a long flight for something around $350. If you factor in 1.5 hours for each match including warm up, that's 12 hours. Factor in 35 hours flying + the time spent at the tournament and you're making a couple dollars an hour. All of this time could be invested in better preparing for more important/easier things like the GSL/other tournaments. What about the euros/na guys that play and know they don't have much of a chance if the koreans go? Their teams also pay for them to go to these events with a slim chance of winning and yet the SK guys get paid to play? fuck that... It should be equal to everybody!
That's why the NA/Euro guys played at 4am with 4x their normal latency right? Oh wait...
And I'd hate to break it to you, but the reason they have a slim chance of winning is not because the tournament favors Koreans. It's because the Koreans put in much more work to bring their game to where it's at now.
On August 12 2011 19:39 VeggieDealer wrote:in my opnion it is not correct what they are doing. and i think its funny how it sounds like mr chae decided for all teams as if they dont got their own managers etc. last time the money was enoug...... still i hope this nasl will be as interesting as the last one ^^ wish you good luck and the others viewers fun and gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sen
Did you even read the article? Mr. Chae is an intermediary for NASL and the SC2con. The SC2con is run by key members of all their teams. This was a TEAM decision.
On August 12 2011 19:42 Pigy wrote:
Thank god we dont have to watch those cocky elitists playing in NORTH AMERICAN star league.
Yea, I fail to see what's so North American about all the Euros and South Americans playing in NASL. Thank god for trolls I guess.
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On August 12 2011 19:44 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 19:23 Abdool wrote:According to FXOBoSs, the real reason for the Koreans to pull back is not financial reasons as it is obvious that NASL offered a very good deal, but rather for an disclosed reason. FXOBoSs just said that on his twitch TV stream ( http://www.twitch.tv/FXOBoSs)while he him self is a part of the SC2Con. About FXOSC, he said that SC really wants to participate, but as a part of SC2Con BoSs said that SC cannot participate, but there is still hope for SC as he will talk to the SC2Con and see if they will agree on that. FXOBoSs talks about all sort of stuff about SC2 and easports in general. I personally love listening to his comments and opinions. And this is what really bothers me. Quite frankly not allowing any player to play, especially when his team can afford it (i bet oGs can afford to send MC, especially with the SK deal) is bull shit. I think it was posted that oGs was one of the teams with gripes. Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 19:26 tripper688 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:11 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 19:05 tripper688 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:03 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:56 Novalisk wrote:On August 12 2011 18:50 jmbthirteen wrote:
Total amount of money won by Koreans (on Korean based teams) at NASL Final: $84,500
Average earnings per Korean(on Korean based teams) at NASL Final: $10,562.50
Only Zenio, Boxer and Alive won the minimum $500 prize for 9-16th. The next two lowest finishers of the Koreans were Squirtle and Moon who both made $1,500. July won $5,000. MC won $25,000 and Puma won $50,000
Of teams that went:
TSL won $50,500
oGs won $25,500
ST won $6,500
Fox won $1,500
Slayers won $500
I would say the Koreans made out pretty damn well on average from NASL. Teams should have in their contracts with players (if they have contracts... thats another discussion) that they receive a certain percentage of their players winnings. Teams definitely can make money off of NASL participation. Keep in mind there is more to this than prize money. Most Korean teams don't have worldwide sponsors, and the korean-brand sponsors have no incentive to send the players abroad. If anything they'd prefer their players to keep a regular sleep schedule, so their GSL performance stays unhindered. Of course there is. But thats why teams should be taking a portion of the winnings. Foreign teams do this. I remember Idra talking about this and how EG does receive a portion of his winnings. Its a pretty standard thing. I completely understand why Korean teams are not playing in NASL. They can't afford to. Thats fine. But I think its ridiculous to ask NASL to pay for them to be in it. I also think its ridiculous that they went and qualified for the tournament only to drop out right at the start of the season. Then it should also be ridiculous that they had to play in sub par conditions throughout online phase as well as not be given time to voice complaints. Think for a second about the implications that would have for the tournament if they made a big stink about scheduling and latency and pay while everyone was still playing. You can complain whenever the hell you want to. You just don't make the complaints public. You go to Xeris and Russ, the tournament admins, and try to come up with a solution. You think the NFL and the NFLPA didn't have talks during the season about their dispute? They did. You should constantly be working to better your conditions, not just in the off season, especially when its so short. How is NASL supposed to know that the Korean teams are broke and have no money to fly to the Finals? Agreeing to join the tournament is implying that they do have the funds. Playing qualifiers =/= committing to a 3 month long tournament. Especially without a contract. The only commitment for playing qualifiers is the entry fee. There were complaints throughout the tournament from players and representatives concerning scheduling. When July took his first no show victory after preparing at 4am, it was noted by his reps. When Strelok was stood up because of scheduling conflicts, he complained about that too. Things like this were well known to NASL staff. Right now, the Koreans complained, NASL and Koreans couldn't solve the issue, the Koreans pulled out. That's all there is. On August 12 2011 19:15 Namu wrote:On August 12 2011 19:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 19:02 Namu wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:54 tripper688 wrote:On August 12 2011 18:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:28 Namu wrote:
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I see your point, but weren't the qualifiers ran during season 1? They were ran after the playoffs but before the grand finals. If all of this was such a big issue, why weren't these complaints made during season one? This is something that should have been worked on since then. They were made in preparation for season 2. Which is when complaints should be made. Most teams wait until the offseason to do CBA's and the like so it doesn't interfere with or take away from the current play. It doesn't help that qualifiers took place during season 1 and the qualifiers were extremely rushed. On August 12 2011 18:35 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:31 Blitz Beat wrote:
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Not to agree or disagree but... Players qualify -> don't like the tournament or can't attend due to other circumstances -> withdraw / decline tournament spot.
Happens in the North American / EU scene all the time.
I don't get your argument. I don't like it and hate that it happens in any tournament by any player, regardless of where they are from. Its unprofessional. The players that qualify knew what they were getting into. They need to make their mind up before qualifying. They need to make up their mind before qualifying? What are they making up their mind on? AFAIK, there is no set contract laid out before them that addresses the issues at hand before, or during qualifiers. If anything, that's the fault of the organizers for not getting on top of the ball and either having a contract or a contingency. And stop with the argument about the timing of their complaint. They complained in preparation for season 2. That is when they should be complaining. Not in the middle of season 1 playoffs where the complaints will cast a shadow over the remainder of the tournament given the Korean presence there. On August 12 2011 18:37 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 18:33 Namu wrote:
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i'm pretty sure complaints about scheduling was made public by a few during nasl 1. We don't know if they talked about the stipends. I think they just didnt collectively talk about this during season 1 and ended up doing so between season 1 and 2.. which seems fine. If they talked about it for only like a couple of days then i'd say that's a problem, but we don't really know that so
they made no official complaints or asked for things to be changed until preparation for season 2 began. Again, that is when they should be making complaints to get things changed for season 2. On August 12 2011 18:39 Namu wrote:On August 12 2011 18:37 jmbthirteen wrote:
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they made no official complaints or asked for things to be changed until preparation for season 2 began. I don't understand your point. Isn't that what "preparation time" is for? ^This. You might as well blame the scheduling if you're going to complain about when the Koreans complained. Which is completely under NASL control. With qualifiers being at the tail end of season 1, you can't wait until season 1 is finished to make these complaints. They need to be made before qualifiers to allow NASL to try and comply. Players and teams need to make up their mind about playing in the tournament. Pretty straight forward. No contract will be signed or offered before a player qualifies for the tournament. If they had a long off season, then sure a complaint between the season makes sense. But when qualifiers take place at the end of season 1 and the off season is about a month, it needs to be talked about before then. Again, why is talking about this during the preparation time unreasonable? that's exactly the time to talk about it, there's nothing unreasonable about it. And i think there was enough time fo NASL to comply, but they just couldn't or wouldn't. No contracts were signed, they talked about it, things didn't work out, they withdrew. I don't understand what's wrong with that... The preparation time takes place after the Korean players have qualified for season 2. Its not even about contracts being signed or not. Its about teams having their players go through qualifiers knowing what the terms are only to pull them out later because they don't like the terms. Just don't attempt to qualify. It may have been long enough if the communication was perfect, but clearly it was not. NASL had to go through Mr. Chae for this whole thing as sc2con wasn't communicating with them. NASL made up a plan and it took sc2con awhile to reject it. How is Dr. Chae being the communication source "sc2con not communicating?" Dr. Chae is in charge of almost all foreign tournament relations and is in charge of GSL, he was communicating for sc2con. Saying they didn't communicate because they talked through a mediator is stupid. (also they may have talked through dr. chae due to language problems) They qualified, talked about the terms before season started/contracts were signed, withdrew. What's the problem here? I think you're giving qualification more meaning than it carries.. I think that's the biggest problem jmb has here. The only commitment that qualification carries is the entry fee. Whether or not you choose to participate afterward is entirely up to you and if you don't, the organizer should have a contingency. On August 12 2011 19:16 AxionSteel wrote:On August 12 2011 18:05 IceDice wrote:
Are the european and other non-US players getting their trips paid for ?
No reason to give the korean players special treatment if you ask me. No they're not. And I agree with you I agree with you too but you need to stop ignoring the fact that Koreans were treated especially badly in comparison to EU/NA players in season 1. Do you realize how dumb that sounds. Oh I'm going to try and qualify for this tournament, knowing that its three months long and all, but if I qualify I don't know if I will actually play in it. Why are you qualifying for a tournament you might not want to play in? Thats a waste of everyone's time and money. It's not dumb at all. They're not going into the qualifiers going "Oh I don't know if I want to commit to this." They're going in with the notion of "Oh I'll qualify for this tourney and hopefully I won't have to deal with the Season 1 BS." It's no less dumb than saying "Oh I'll start a tournament but I won't have any contracts for a third of my players and I'll just pray they go along with everything."
If you don't want to commit or aren't sure about about committing to something you shouldn't do it. You don't fucking ask a girl to marry you and then break it off because you suddenly decide you don't want to commit. And if you do, its a dick move.
FXOBoss is saying there is more to this. I am eager to hear what it is. I think this is shitty for all sides, NASL, Korean teams, players and fans.
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Ofc it's a huge loss to NASL and all its viewers, but we have to be optimistic, NASL is still an awesome league and there are still good foreign (and some koreans) in it. Maybe there will also be some underdogs from the qualifier tourneys that will participate and show some great games.
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On August 12 2011 19:44 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:38 jimbob615 wrote:
whatever, who cares if korea plays? THORZAIN will win anyway! Except that he withdrew from the tournament.
He did? I didn't know that. 
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On August 12 2011 19:47 AnalThermometer wrote:
If tourneys in the west can't stand on their own two feet without korean players then maybe the SC2 eSports scene isn't as promising as it looks. Time NA fans actually started caring about NA players and stopped being koreaboos, if the biggest SC2 tournament by prizepool fails spectaularly it's going to look horrible and you probably won't get another one. Amazed by the amount of people who want to stick the boot in to NASL.
I don't care where people are from. I just enjoy good, top level games. The higher the skill of the players involved the more interesting the matches are(to a point, TvT's get tiresome). For the time being there is a skill gap between top Korean players and everyone else. This won't stop me from watching this season of NASL, and maybe I'll even buy the HD pass this season just to support them. However, if the quality of games is not high enough I will end up bored and do something else.
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On August 12 2011 19:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
the north american star league is north american now?! GOD FORBID
ok not quite because theres still eu etc... but still But surely you concede that a global league with representatives of all 3 major regions is more interesting to watch than one with players from the strongest region missing?
On August 12 2011 19:54 Azureflames wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:47 AnalThermometer wrote:
If tourneys in the west can't stand on their own two feet without korean players then maybe the SC2 eSports scene isn't as promising as it looks. Time NA fans actually started caring about NA players and stopped being koreaboos, if the biggest SC2 tournament by prizepool fails spectaularly it's going to look horrible and you probably won't get another one. Amazed by the amount of people who want to stick the boot in to NASL. I don't care where people are from. I just enjoy good, top level games. The higher the skill of the players involved the more interesting the matches are(to a point, TvT's get tiresome). For the time being there is a skill gap between top Korean players and everyone else. This won't stop me from watching this season of NASL, and maybe I'll even buy the HD pass this season just to support them. However, if the quality of games is not high enough I will end up bored and do something else. I think the players NASL has left now are "good enough" for people to enjoy watching, in any case.
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On August 12 2011 19:50 dabom88 wrote:
You act if everyone cares if there isn't another NASL. Surprise, not everyone cares about a tournament they feel is run horribly.
On August 12 2011 19:49 farnham wrote:
prizepool doesnt matter
its all about production quality and management of the tournament imho
thats the reason why mlg or ipl that had much smaller prizepools were much better received then NASL
Not important. Production quality, management, etc. are issues which can and will be fixed over time if the fans have patience. If people with the money to invest in these kinds of ventures see a MASSIVE tournament like NASL fail hard they won't just dismiss it because the banners on the website looked badly photoshopped or because some guy didn't like the casters.
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+ Show Spoiler +Simply put: I am disgusted by the koreans.
They have no problem going to MLGs, but have an issue with NASL?
Edit: After some re-thinking I take my statement back. I get why it would not be acceptable to participate in NASL finals, but it's still a shame how they decided to withdraw on the last moment.
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wow you gave them good offers and still they refure and your right its not like they wont be able to at least most of them or the best, get to the Ro16
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