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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
And it's not fun to go, "Hey, you know that unit that was fun and useful? Well, we ruined it, so now your race is balanced." That feels terrible too. Those are some of the hot areas I've heard. The reaper. I'm just gonna throw that out there for everyone to think about. | ||
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Sixes
Canada1123 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:35 ZeromuS wrote: The reaper. I'm just gonna throw that out there for everyone to think about. When was that ever really "useful"? It was broken in one build against Zerg because with their speed they destroy almost anything Zerg has early game. That is all. It's not generally a useful unit (except as an early scout) or something that came back later in the game. Reapers could be useful if marauders didn't have obscene DPS versus buildings and a reaper drop was required to pick off tech. As it is though marines and marauders are already in the main army and with stim they destroy tech buildings fast enough you don't need reapers for the job. Also I have seen mention that reapers were getting a revamp somewhere ... I would love Zerg to get something that can bypass a choke (except air) like protoss has blink/colossus and terrans have reapers. It would give an option to try to harass or break a turtling player by forcing them to split their defenses a little. Even just one tank per cliff section is fewer tanks at the front. Again, Zerg would be more swarm-like if the swarm didn't automatically equate to getting annihilated in a choke point or having to wait for 15 minutes until a player moves out. Edit: I think we could use more units like the phoenix or hellion which have obvious limitations but quite a few uses and lead to more inventive play. The corruptor would be the opposite with only a very specific few units it is any good against and no real use outside that. I agree with DB that corruptors and overseers are boring. In fact I would add colossi to the list (they don't do anything particularly interesting other than encourage deathballs) as well as reapers. Carriers are currently unused but could see a lot more use if colossi are out, this is because the opponent won't have a ton of corruptors (or whatever replaces them) or vikings to counter colossi so a carrier switch could be viable. Ultras, while really cool could probably see a little bit of an upgrade, even just the ability to walk over lings would be nice given they are a huge melee unit. Most of Terran is good except maybe the reaper ... though even marines and marauders could see some tweaks. For example I wouldn't mind the marine being 5 +1 vs light as opposed to 6 damage. Small changes like that might encourage use of other units when needed (like reapers vs buildings). | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:07 Kevan wrote: This. As protoss you have to keep your units together and you don't have any real harassing unit. Maybe Pheonix but you will have to go out of your way to get them since stargates aren't exactly common. This is why I almost switched to terran but then I realised I didn't want to be en jävla terran. Thank you Naniwa  Haha I sense too much imba whining in some of these posts. ¬_¬ I would like a harass unit that isn't tier 3. Yeah, protoss has DT... which get shutdown as soon as detection is up. Phoenix are costly and you need a lot of them plus they can't do much else. This is the issue they are talking about with Terran. Their regular army units doubles as harassment. Sure medivac and prism cost the same supply except 1 unit is always useful and the other isn't. However, I have no problem with units that have smaller niches. Not every unit needs to be "I can do everything" or "I am always useful." It's OK to have specialist units. OK overseer is "boring" then WTF is the obs? Not everything needs to be shooting lazers out of it's rear. | ||
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LuisFrost
Mexico130 Posts
As for the Thor, I'm curious as to why so many posters have said it's not a good unit. Really? I play TvZ with marine - tank - thor (and vikings or ghosts later on) and in TvP i eventually add thors to the bio ball, in both cases with great success. Is it because I'm plat? Are Thors not useful higher up the ladder? Why so few love for them? From a gameplay perspective I prefer them to Goliaths, they have a good ability for killing other expensive (mostly protoss) stuff, deal A LOT of damage but are doomed to die when their supporting army is killed, can be fedback and mind controlled against you. And, speaking of cool stuff, they're a giant robot controlled by a guy with a funny accent, what's not to like? (BTW, I play random, that's why I have opinions on both P and T). | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
I'm tired of NEEDING tanks in every single matchup outside of tvp (where bio is the only way to go, since they keep changing mech to where it can't work) I want to be a LITTLE more mobile with my main army... Change the colossus. Cool unit idea, shit for fun. I want protoss to break away from the deathball mentality as well. And fix the goddamn hunter seeker missile! I want a reason to build ravens again. | ||
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AwfulPlayer
249 Posts
On August 03 2011 10:55 Honeybadger wrote: And fix the goddamn hunter seeker missile! I want a reason to build ravens again. Ravens are a mobile "no 270minerals" scan unit with autoturrets, they are pretty useful ! but yes, hunter seeker missile (i refuse to call them simple "seeker missile"s) could need some tweaking. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
I'm certainly not saying toss has no harassment potential, people like Kiwikaki have recently shown (yet again) the potency of Phoenix. And i'm certainly not calling imbalance, but I love harassment and making my opponent multitask more than he'd like, so a new harassment unit for me would be great fun  | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
Lurkers= Non-Moving Banlings. What made them effective in BW was the fact that Zerg had D. Swarm and Marine control was difficult. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
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simblor
New Zealand12 Posts
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
On August 03 2011 10:55 Honeybadger wrote: I'm tired of NEEDING tanks in every single matchup outside of tvp (where bio is the only way to go, since they keep changing mech to where it can't work) I want to be a LITTLE more mobile with my main army... Why are you playing terran lol? | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:34 simblor wrote: Don't want any BW units stinking up my SC2. You mean like Marines, Siege Tanks, Battlecruisers, Zealots, High Templar, Dark Templar, Carriers, Observers, Archons, Zerglings, Hydralisks, Mutalisks and Ultralisks? Yeah..it'd be a tragedy. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On August 02 2011 18:23 Talin wrote: I'm cool with that too, as long as it ain't Carriers. Carriers are iconic. In BW terms, yes. As SC2 is another games, carriers can be a 4v4-unit for fun while Colossi are a standard unit. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On August 03 2011 10:55 Honeybadger wrote: I just don't see how browder thinks terrans are too flexible. Sure, our openings are VERY flexible, but our real combat strategies are far and away the most reactionary, most micro intensive, and least varied in the game. Got any evidence for that? Do you main Terran? I think you'll find it hard to prove, especially over Zerg, that you are "far and away the most reactionary", Protoss challenges you for micro intensive (have you ever seen a pro PvP?) and least varied. I'm tired of NEEDING tanks in every single matchup outside of tvp (where bio is the only way to go, since they keep changing mech to where it can't work) I want to be a LITTLE more mobile with my main army... MMA has a beast TvZ and uses almost solely bio. BFHellions are amazing in all match-ups, are one of the most mobile units in the game, and count as part mech for TvP, I suppose. Change the colossus. Cool unit idea, shit for fun. I want protoss to break away from the deathball mentality as well. Surely the deathball is fairly plain and not very varied? See: your first point. And fix the goddamn hunter seeker missile! I want a reason to build ravens again. The missile needs a tweak, but Ravens themselves are fine, seeing a lot of use in TvT and becoming more standard in other match-ups. | ||
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Sixes
Canada1123 Posts
On August 03 2011 18:26 [F_]aths wrote: In BW terms, yes. As SC2 is another games, carriers can be a 4v4-unit for fun while Colossi are a standard unit. Again, carriers might have a hope in sc 2 if colossi are out. The issue right now is that the units Z and T make to get rid of colossi (corruptors and vikings) also eat carriers for breakfast. Now on the other hand a templar or non-air siege unit to carrier transition should theoretically be possible just like the templar to colossus transition is. Is it possible to fungal interceptors? I have never had a chance to find out ... | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34496 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:35 ZeromuS wrote: The reaper. I'm just gonna throw that out there for everyone to think about. SC2 devs have generally acknowledged that they messed up with the Reaper. It's basically a unit that is either OP or UP and is really hard (if possible) to get it in the middle. | ||
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Huggusten
Sweden50 Posts
Corruptors are expensive, take alot of supply and basically do nothing after killing the colossus. Scourge are cheap, fast and die when they've done their job. Would be awesome to see some scourge/colossus dodging micro. Putting back scourge might need some balance tweaking first though, since protoss doesn't have any air-air splash so it might be really hard to avoid the scourges. | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
They are dumb for not hiring two more people, who would for on UI though. | ||
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
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