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On August 01 2011 09:05 Dubpace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 08:52 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 01 2011 08:49 Dubpace wrote:On August 01 2011 08:47 LegendaryZ wrote:
Why do people take the fact that MLG is not releasing Anaheim replays and automatically jump to the conclusion that the reasoning behind it is to make more money? Some of the conspiracy theories that are going on in this thread are just mind numbing. Are people really this incapable of reading?
It's clear that the decision was made for multiple reasons, one of which being to help prevent interference of Anaheim and future events. They never claimed that this would somehow solve the problem. They only stated their suspicions that it could potentially be a liability and they'd rather err on the side of caution in this case.
Also, I don't understand where people are making the connection between not releasing replays and selling more HQ passes. The two things literally have nothing to do with each other.
Honestly, is this really a surprise to people? This was discussed literally right after Columbus and Lee stated clearly back then (I think it was on one of DJWheat's shows) that they were looking into the replay issue after the problems they encountered during that event...
If you want to blame anyone for ruining your replay-viewing experience, blame the idiots that are being dicks with their stupid spamming of the players and casters, which made MLG suspect replays as a liability in the first place. MLG is just attempting to respond to an existing problem to the best of their ability and make the best of a unfavorable situation. I don't understand how people are expecting them to just sit on their asses just because it MIGHT not be an effective solution.
I get that many of you aren't happy with this decision, but they are going to be releasing the replays to casters so most likely you will be able to see the games through the casts. I know it's not the same thing, but try to be a little less judgmental. Their decisions don't really fall outside the realm of reason given the situation. You didn't read the thread....did you? All I read was a bunch of whining and accusing MLG of money grubbing and ripping off customers. If there's something else in the 40+ pages of actual substance rather than ridiculous conjecture, please feel free to point me to it. Admittedly, I'm a bit sick of all of the MLG hating at this point when it seems pretty clear to me that they've done nothing but repeatedly try to satisfy what's all too often a ridiculously ungrateful fanbase for at least the past 3 events. I'm all for keeping companies honest with criticism, but it's really starting to get a little bit ridiculous. Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 07:46 MLG_Lee wrote:
A couple points of clarification:
5) Releasing the replays to casters that we work with and trust is the least risky way to get SOME of this content out. I know it's not everything that everyone wants. At the end of the day though, we can fund events because we can monetize content. Keep in mind that we lose a tremendous amount of money every event. Our productions are not cheap. Sat trucks alone are a solid six figure number.
It is at least partially about making money. Do your research before you post.
Monetizing in this context means serving ads.
Wow, really ripping off the consumers, aren't they? Also, did I ever say that money was not a part of it? I'm sure it is, but I'm also sure it's more of an afterthought considering that they were talking about the potential liability immediately after the problems at Columbus, long before any mention of monetizing it. And no, this isn't some sort of insider knowledge. It was stated in a pretty public way without all of the cries and moans found in this thread. Either way, it takes a huge leap to go from "We're going to be putting ads." to "MLG is just doing this to sell more HQ passes."
How about we drop this image of a money grubbing corporation abusing its customers and taking all they can when that's clearly not the case here nor has it been through at least the past 3 MLG events. Seriously, it always has to be something with you people. They try to make up for Dallas by acknowledging vouchers for Columbus. When Columbus has its problems, they try to make things right by giving everyone HQ for free. As far as Anaheim goes, they've been working hard to stay on top of problems that customers are having with their streams and voucher codes. Yet, despite all of these clear indications that MLG is working to satisfy the community and its customer base and cater to them, people take small things like this and make them out to be a uncaring corporation just out to leech money from people.
I get it, people aren't happy that replays aren't being released. Honestly, get over it. Despite popular opinion on this thread, it's pretty clear that this actually ISN'T about money and anyone who's actually read the thread and has listened to what Lee actually had to say since Columbus ended would know that. Of course it's much easier to put on a tin foil hat and cry about the sky falling than it is to believe that a corporate entity might actually have an interest in treating their customers right and trying to put out a quality product so I suppose I'm really not surprised...
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On August 01 2011 09:23 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:05 Dubpace wrote:On August 01 2011 08:52 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 01 2011 08:49 Dubpace wrote:On August 01 2011 08:47 LegendaryZ wrote:
Why do people take the fact that MLG is not releasing Anaheim replays and automatically jump to the conclusion that the reasoning behind it is to make more money? Some of the conspiracy theories that are going on in this thread are just mind numbing. Are people really this incapable of reading?
It's clear that the decision was made for multiple reasons, one of which being to help prevent interference of Anaheim and future events. They never claimed that this would somehow solve the problem. They only stated their suspicions that it could potentially be a liability and they'd rather err on the side of caution in this case.
Also, I don't understand where people are making the connection between not releasing replays and selling more HQ passes. The two things literally have nothing to do with each other.
Honestly, is this really a surprise to people? This was discussed literally right after Columbus and Lee stated clearly back then (I think it was on one of DJWheat's shows) that they were looking into the replay issue after the problems they encountered during that event...
If you want to blame anyone for ruining your replay-viewing experience, blame the idiots that are being dicks with their stupid spamming of the players and casters, which made MLG suspect replays as a liability in the first place. MLG is just attempting to respond to an existing problem to the best of their ability and make the best of a unfavorable situation. I don't understand how people are expecting them to just sit on their asses just because it MIGHT not be an effective solution.
I get that many of you aren't happy with this decision, but they are going to be releasing the replays to casters so most likely you will be able to see the games through the casts. I know it's not the same thing, but try to be a little less judgmental. Their decisions don't really fall outside the realm of reason given the situation. You didn't read the thread....did you? All I read was a bunch of whining and accusing MLG of money grubbing and ripping off customers. If there's something else in the 40+ pages of actual substance rather than ridiculous conjecture, please feel free to point me to it. Admittedly, I'm a bit sick of all of the MLG hating at this point when it seems pretty clear to me that they've done nothing but repeatedly try to satisfy what's all too often a ridiculously ungrateful fanbase for at least the past 3 events. I'm all for keeping companies honest with criticism, but it's really starting to get a little bit ridiculous. On July 30 2011 07:46 MLG_Lee wrote:
A couple points of clarification:
5) Releasing the replays to casters that we work with and trust is the least risky way to get SOME of this content out. I know it's not everything that everyone wants. At the end of the day though, we can fund events because we can monetize content. Keep in mind that we lose a tremendous amount of money every event. Our productions are not cheap. Sat trucks alone are a solid six figure number.
It is at least partially about making money. Do your research before you post. Wow, really ripping off the consumers, aren't they? Also, did I ever say that money was not a part of it? I'm sure it is, but I'm also sure it's more of an afterthought considering that they were talking about the potential liability immediately after the problems at Columbus, long before any mention of monetizing it. Either way, it takes a huge leap to go from "We're going to be putting ads." to "MLG is just doing this to sell more HQ passes." How about we drop this image of a money grubbing corporation abusing its customers and taking all they can when that's clearly not the case here nor has it been through at least the past 3 MLG events. Seriously, it always has to be something with you people. They try to make up for Dallas by acknowledging vouchers for Columbus. When Columbus has its problems, they try to make things right by giving everyone HQ for free. As far as Anaheim goes, they've been working hard to stay on top of problems that customers are having with their streams and voucher codes. Yet, despite all of these clear indications that MLG is working to satisfy the community and its customer base and cater to them, people take small things like this and make them out to be a uncaring corporation just out to leech money from people. I get it, people aren't happy that replays aren't being released. Honestly, get over it. Despite popular opinion on this thread, it's pretty clear that this actually ISN'T about money and anyone who's actually read the thread and has listened to what Lee actually had to say since Columbus ended would know that. Of course it's much easier to put on a tin foil hat and cry about the sky falling than it is to believe that a corporate entity might actually have an interest in treating their customers right and trying to put out a quality product so I suppose I'm really not surprised...
I'd love to believe MLG gave a shit, I really would,
But if you believe any corporation ISN'T solely basing all of their decision making on increasing revenue then you're living in a dream world. It would be great if they didn't, it'd be great if people didn't exploit cheap labour etc, but they do. Companies care about money.
That's the sad truth. As much as i enjoy MLG their main care is profit, they are a business.
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On August 01 2011 09:28 Exstasy wrote:
I'd love to believe MLG gave a shit, I really would,
But if you believe any corporation ISN'T solely basing all of their decision making on increasing revenue then you're living in a dream world. It would be great if they didn't, it'd be great if people didn't exploit cheap labour etc, but they do. Companies care about money.
That's the sad truth. As much as i enjoy MLG their main care is profit, they are a business.
And just because they are a business and their financial gain is their ultimate goal, it's impossible to believe that they might actually care about the integrity of their product or treating their customers right?
Where in the world does it say that you can't care about both?
And also, that's a pretty common and convenient thinking error. Apply a generalized argument (often unfounded itself) to a specific situation to validate your belief despite clear evidence to the contrary. I say that your generalization is unfounded because there are actually plenty of corporations that aren't solely basing all of their decision making on increasing revenue. There are corporations that are satisfied with carving out a niche market for themselves and many corporations that believe in producing quality products rather than skimping on parts. Not every company is out to be Walmart.
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On August 01 2011 09:10 Golgotha wrote:
its not like gsl releases any replays, and we dont get all up in arms about that. so why should we get mad at mlg when theyve done this for quite awhile. yeah it sucks but doesnt mean they are evil.
We at least get to see all the GSL games, here there are hundreds of games that don't get shown (obviously otherwise you'd need like 20 streams lol) but still it has been awesome to get to watch the replays afterwards. Sadly it looks like that opportunity has been revoked 
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On August 01 2011 09:31 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:28 Exstasy wrote:
I'd love to believe MLG gave a shit, I really would,
But if you believe any corporation ISN'T solely basing all of their decision making on increasing revenue then you're living in a dream world. It would be great if they didn't, it'd be great if people didn't exploit cheap labour etc, but they do. Companies care about money.
That's the sad truth. As much as i enjoy MLG their main care is profit, they are a business. And just because they are a business and their financial gain is their ultimate goal, it's impossible to believe that they might actually care about the integrity of their product or treating their customers right? Where in the world does it say that you can't care about both?
im hoping they act exactly like big busineses (oil companies, telecommunications, etc.). because those companies get shit done. i want to see mlgs every month for years to come.
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On August 01 2011 09:10 Golgotha wrote:
its not like gsl releases any replays, and we dont get all up in arms about that. so why should we get mad at mlg when theyve done this for quite awhile. yeah it sucks but doesnt mean they are evil.
Replays from the open bracket are all we get content wise from that portion of the tournament which is the biggest part of an MLG event. To the people saying to get over it and it's a small thing, it really isn't. having no replays means hundreds of games will never be experienced. Not releasing replays lowers the content of the event in my opinion. Whitera vs Demuslim for example played some absolutely amazing tvp in losers bracket offstream and now the best we have is to hope some caster casts the game sometime soon.
If MLG is using this as a way to make more money that's fine I applaud that, but to deny experiencing open bracket play especially when the streams are focused on pool play for 90% of the event is bad.
From home now we get 2 hours of open bracket coverage early on Saturday (open winners round 5 and open winners round 6) and that's it for the entire event from the open bracket which honestly is starting to have higher quality competition than some inconsistent pool players playing bad games in the pools.
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On August 01 2011 09:23 LegendaryZ wrote:I get it, people aren't happy that replays aren't being released. Honestly, get over it. Despite popular opinion on this thread, it's pretty clear that this actually ISN'T about money and anyone who's actually read the thread and has listened to what Lee actually had to say since Columbus ended would know that. Of course it's much easier to put on a tin foil hat and cry about the sky falling than it is to believe that a corporate entity might actually have an interest in treating their customers right and trying to put out a quality product so I suppose I'm really not surprised...
There is no security issue. So if the reasons are security issues and monetizing, but the former isn't an issue, then there's only one reason left.
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You can get the user ID via searching their name on battle.net, sc2ranks, or any other site that indexes players.
One can also get replays of such players already typically — maybe not all of them, but most of them or almost all of them.
If player ID is the only information in the replay, WTF is the point of denying people the replays?
Are they replays at least going to be given out after the event, or what?
On July 30 2011 05:45 udgnim wrote:
the Koreans were the most often targeted players of this happening. MLG has brand new SC2 accounts specifically for the Koreans to play on, and they basically used up their limit at MLG Columbus because of the amount of spam whispering the Koreans were getting. Interesting, although I'm not sure if that would really affect things any differently.
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On August 01 2011 09:23 LegendaryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:05 Dubpace wrote:On August 01 2011 08:52 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 01 2011 08:49 Dubpace wrote:On August 01 2011 08:47 LegendaryZ wrote:
Why do people take the fact that MLG is not releasing Anaheim replays and automatically jump to the conclusion that the reasoning behind it is to make more money? Some of the conspiracy theories that are going on in this thread are just mind numbing. Are people really this incapable of reading?
It's clear that the decision was made for multiple reasons, one of which being to help prevent interference of Anaheim and future events. They never claimed that this would somehow solve the problem. They only stated their suspicions that it could potentially be a liability and they'd rather err on the side of caution in this case.
Also, I don't understand where people are making the connection between not releasing replays and selling more HQ passes. The two things literally have nothing to do with each other.
Honestly, is this really a surprise to people? This was discussed literally right after Columbus and Lee stated clearly back then (I think it was on one of DJWheat's shows) that they were looking into the replay issue after the problems they encountered during that event...
If you want to blame anyone for ruining your replay-viewing experience, blame the idiots that are being dicks with their stupid spamming of the players and casters, which made MLG suspect replays as a liability in the first place. MLG is just attempting to respond to an existing problem to the best of their ability and make the best of a unfavorable situation. I don't understand how people are expecting them to just sit on their asses just because it MIGHT not be an effective solution.
I get that many of you aren't happy with this decision, but they are going to be releasing the replays to casters so most likely you will be able to see the games through the casts. I know it's not the same thing, but try to be a little less judgmental. Their decisions don't really fall outside the realm of reason given the situation. You didn't read the thread....did you? All I read was a bunch of whining and accusing MLG of money grubbing and ripping off customers. If there's something else in the 40+ pages of actual substance rather than ridiculous conjecture, please feel free to point me to it. Admittedly, I'm a bit sick of all of the MLG hating at this point when it seems pretty clear to me that they've done nothing but repeatedly try to satisfy what's all too often a ridiculously ungrateful fanbase for at least the past 3 events. I'm all for keeping companies honest with criticism, but it's really starting to get a little bit ridiculous. On July 30 2011 07:46 MLG_Lee wrote:
A couple points of clarification:
5) Releasing the replays to casters that we work with and trust is the least risky way to get SOME of this content out. I know it's not everything that everyone wants. At the end of the day though, we can fund events because we can monetize content. Keep in mind that we lose a tremendous amount of money every event. Our productions are not cheap. Sat trucks alone are a solid six figure number.
It is at least partially about making money. Do your research before you post. Wow, really ripping off the consumers, aren't they? Also, did I ever say that money was not a part of it? I'm sure it is, but I'm also sure it's more of an afterthought considering that they were talking about the potential liability immediately after the problems at Columbus, long before any mention of monetizing it. And no, this isn't some sort of insider knowledge. It was stated in a pretty public way without all of the cries and moans found in this thread. Either way, it takes a huge leap to go from "We're going to be putting ads." to "MLG is just doing this to sell more HQ passes." How about we drop this image of a money grubbing corporation abusing its customers and taking all they can when that's clearly not the case here nor has it been through at least the past 3 MLG events. Seriously, it always has to be something with you people. They try to make up for Dallas by acknowledging vouchers for Columbus. When Columbus has its problems, they try to make things right by giving everyone HQ for free. As far as Anaheim goes, they've been working hard to stay on top of problems that customers are having with their streams and voucher codes. Yet, despite all of these clear indications that MLG is working to satisfy the community and its customer base and cater to them, people take small things like this and make them out to be a uncaring corporation just out to leech money from people. I get it, people aren't happy that replays aren't being released. Honestly, get over it. Despite popular opinion on this thread, it's pretty clear that this actually ISN'T about money and anyone who's actually read the thread and has listened to what Lee actually had to say since Columbus ended would know that. Of course it's much easier to put on a tin foil hat and cry about the sky falling than it is to believe that a corporate entity might actually have an interest in treating their customers right and trying to put out a quality product so I suppose I'm really not surprised...
Wait I'm pretty sure that you're missing the part that it really IS about money.
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On August 01 2011 09:10 Golgotha wrote:
its not like gsl releases any replays, and we dont get all up in arms about that. so why should we get mad at mlg when theyve done this for quite awhile. yeah it sucks but doesnt mean they are evil.
no one would be pissed if they listed the reasons that GSL has for not releasing replays, but they said it's about something that's easily fixable. So if that's the problem, fix it, and give us replays. If it's for the same reasons as GSL, then say that from the beginning, people might be pissed, but not directly at MLG
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Okay I made topic (but closed before I could replay ) and even if they are not releasing replays, someone should still tell Dustin Browder to fix the Busy issue (spam chat still lags the game).
Anyway, anyone at MLG and happen to see Browder there? Tell him about the lag issue.
Regardless, this appears to be an exploitable thing (lagging a player) and it should be fixed.
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Yeah, scrub the replay files then release later. Definitely a must have.
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someone from MLG please leak the replays. the fans will love you forever!
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If nothing else, select like a top 10 of the best games and release those at the very, very least, Rain-Boxer game 1 is one of those replays I'd save forever. We need something MLG please, throw us a bone.
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On August 01 2011 12:21 Rasun wrote:
If nothing else, select like a top 10 of the best games and release those at the very, very least, Rain-Boxer game 1 is one of those replays I'd save forever. We need something MLG please, throw us a bone.
nah, fuck that, i want em all. lol. i guess that would be better than nothing though. ToD has his saved on sc2rep.com
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I wish I could have the replays of Huk vs DRG. :[
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I missed Day 3 because of a family emergency.
I'm waiting to hear if they are going to man up and release the replays before I decide on giving them my cash for a pass, or just torrent the vods.
Prettyyyy sure there are others with the same feeling going on here.
Be smart, MLG --;
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On August 01 2011 12:19 rave[wcr] wrote:
someone from MLG please leak the replays. the fans will love you forever!
lol yes, im sure there will be a tons of leaked replays
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dammit why does blizzard have to fuck up SO much
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On August 01 2011 12:30 MrShankly wrote:
dammit why does blizzard have to fuck up SO much
There is no problem on Blizzard's end.
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