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InsaniaK
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden120 Posts
August 01 2011 09:26 GMT
#921
Only thing that was better about MLG than other tournaments, this is just sad.
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
August 01 2011 09:30 GMT
#922
i did see only 1/4 games from Anaheim becuase of timezone , and they not release the replays ...goddd
Mid Master Terran @ kr server fighting !!!
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
August 01 2011 10:34 GMT
#923
Lee lost me when he said

On July 30 2011 07:46 MLG_Lee wrote:
A couple points of clarification:

1) Releasing replays exposes the event to risk that we're not comfortable with. Happy to debate the level of relative risk, but it's there. If I can remove ANY risk from the event, I'm going to. Do any of you really think I or anyone else at MLG want to repeat Dallas?



The part of repeating dallas because of releasing replays is hilarious, and just confirms how unprofessional someone can be, trying to incur fear of something that makes no sense in hopes that people will shut up and accept the faulty reasoning for not releasing replays.

Wasn't MLG the only major global SC2 event, i wouldn't watch it anymore just to think about some of the people that are running it.
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
August 01 2011 12:39 GMT
#924
MLG should release the replays.

BerenSC
Profile Joined December 2010
Czech Republic28 Posts
August 01 2011 13:21 GMT
#925
This is so sad especially when basically the reason is [at least what I undestood] that you dont want people to spam casters and players. Is it so hard to buy four new accounts for casters every event? Most of the IDs of well known players is known anyway and there are still old replays from which they can get thisinformation. I undestand that you want to protect yourself, but I think this is the worst precaution ever. And honestly huge blame in this is on Blizzard. If you find a way to release these replays, make it available only for MLG members. Im sure that you would make some dollars. We want them so badly!!! Please find a way :'(
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 01 2011 13:25 GMT
#926
I'm so sad they won't release replays >< One of my favortie part about MLG was exploring the hundreds of replays, which occupied me for like a month after the event, and finding new interesting stuff
I don't understand the risk (perhaps there is), and why they wouldn't rename the players (can be scripted).
Bleh.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
August 01 2011 13:31 GMT
#927
mlg's explanations for not releasing replays are ridiculous.

it is exactly how politicians and women participating in beauty pageants respond to questions.

sad...
KingOfAmerica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States246 Posts
August 01 2011 13:42 GMT
#928
Quick question... does anyone think that the DDOS claim is bogus, and the lack of replay release is a player request? We had Boxer, MVP, DRG and some other first time Koreans coming over, and it can be notoriously difficult to get ahold of raw replays of these guys. They are managed rather tightly. On top of that, Slayers came over showcasing a nearly brand new TvT style they may not want aped.

Am I just paranoid? Seems right to me.

Either way, I'd pay another $10 for the replay pack.
The nukes gonna land on his aarrrrmmmmyyy AHHHHH
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 14:01:16
August 01 2011 13:47 GMT
#929
I think this is good for the players because it won't allow people to see the exact timings of their builds. Lets say you spend 15 hours developing your own build and it turns out to be successful. If somebody has just one replay of it, they can learn the timings of the build within an hour after you put all the effort in perfecting yours which is unfair imo. Here is a comparision:

A student studies for a week straight for the upcoming test and scores an A+. The class clown who never studied but sits beside him sees his answers, copies them, and makes the exact same grade. Completely unfair to the player that invested his time in devoloping his strategy.

That is why I feel players are more comfortable displaying new strategies in the GSL and Brood War because pro reps are not released. But, this is also very bad for the people who want to learn, commentate replay analysis on youtube, or just casually enjoy watching a replay being free to click where ever without listening to a commentator. So, it has its advantages and perks. Personally, I think the replays should not be released (for my first reason mentioned above). Imagine if Flashes 2011 tournament replays were released. Everybody would see his decision making, builds, timings, timing attacks, and strategy and emulate it until it reaches perfection. Which makes a player vulnerable because their replays are up for analysis for other teams to break down their style. However, they could have very solid play (like MVP) doing regular syles so its not like its a big deal if anybody copies.

However, some of the games were not casted. I think they should have had somebody cast those games and post them up on their website rather then not showing them at all.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 01 2011 13:49 GMT
#930
Just be honest and say that you want our money.

Stop trying to hide behind this whole "DDOS" attack, when R1CH clearly called BS on this.

Not going to discuss in a public forum how you can get to the chat name. That's like teaching people how to break your own event ;p R1CH, love to chat with you about it some offline/inpriv.


"I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN DEFEND MYSELF. I have no way of defending this with any actual proof so I'm just imply that R1CH is mistaken and that I'm (PROBABLY NOT) going to give him a real reason outside of the public ear."
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
August 01 2011 13:58 GMT
#931
On August 01 2011 22:49 Gamegene wrote:
Just be honest and say that you want our money.

Stop trying to hide behind this whole "DDOS" attack, when R1CH clearly called BS on this.

Show nested quote +
Not going to discuss in a public forum how you can get to the chat name. That's like teaching people how to break your own event ;p R1CH, love to chat with you about it some offline/inpriv.


"I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN DEFEND MYSELF. I have no way of defending this with any actual proof so I'm just imply that R1CH is mistaken and that I'm (PROBABLY NOT) going to give him a real reason outside of the public ear."


They already said they misspoke by calling it DDOS...
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 01 2011 14:02 GMT
#932
On August 01 2011 22:49 Gamegene wrote:
Just be honest and say that you want our money.

Stop trying to hide behind this whole "DDOS" attack, when R1CH clearly called BS on this.

Show nested quote +
Not going to discuss in a public forum how you can get to the chat name. That's like teaching people how to break your own event ;p R1CH, love to chat with you about it some offline/inpriv.


"I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN DEFEND MYSELF. I have no way of defending this with any actual proof so I'm just imply that R1CH is mistaken and that I'm (PROBABLY NOT) going to give him a real reason outside of the public ear."


I seriously think Tlers find a reason to whine about everything. If they do not want to show the reps, they do not have to. It is their tournament and they can host it however they like.
vohne
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines197 Posts
August 01 2011 14:03 GMT
#933
Release the replays! Freedom of information act should be invoked upon these replays.
analyze
Profile Joined April 2011
United States155 Posts
August 01 2011 14:06 GMT
#934
Kind of sucks... Would enjoy stealing the builds. I am a gold member w/ MLG so if this is some ploy for them to get people to buy membership to view the VODs it makes me sad
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 01 2011 14:08 GMT
#935
So nothing? What the fuck?

One of the most enjoyable things about Brood War was downloading replays from all the clan leagues WGTCL, ICCUPCL, PGTOUR, BWCL, etc - and watching all the pros play with friends. That is how I spent most of my time on USEast, and watching those replays made me enjoy the game so much more.

With SC2 not only can you not watch replays with friends, but replays just don't exist in the first place. So fucking retarded. To me, personally, that takes a big chunk of what makes an RTS game enjoyable. Watching pros play and analyzing builds.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
August 01 2011 14:19 GMT
#936
releasing replays helps the game evolve at a much faster pace
CroDeadman
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia76 Posts
August 01 2011 14:19 GMT
#937
Alright I've finally read all the posts, it took approximately a hour and twenty minutes. I wanted to be well informed and after reading R1CHs and Lees comments I've decided to make a post.

Lee says the term "DDoS"ing was missused and explains why they won't be releasing replays, basically because of possible damage it _could_ cause them in future events, alright lets let this fly for now.

He was the founder of gotfrag but as I've been a part of that forum and community gotfrag had premium membership which allowed indepth understanding of things such why is player A nading that exact spot etc, you couldn't get all the info needed for improvement from .dem (demos)

So lets say that Counterstrike Demo = Starcraft 2 Vod, while the Starcraft 2 replay is something that would be a counterstrike demo + premium membership, the replay is afterall the ultimate tool for learning in Starcraft 2.

Ok now lets talk about MLG doing stuff "for the fans". Ok, theres been a ton of stuff they did for the community, BUT its important to note all these things they did "for the fans and the community" had direct impact of improving their buissness and they fit their buissness model so, while on the other hand releasing replays could be potentially harmful for people buying HQ passes and VOD access since mid quality is actually to watch the stream is quite decent and with the replays released you got everything that you basically.

So quite simply releasing replays = bad buissness in the future, which is harmful for MLG but not because of DDoSing or spamming players with messages and trolling, we're not imbecils.

I could all slide IF there was a VOD for EVERY match played in the MLG, but theres only a handful compared to all the games played there, maybe the player I want to see isn't the best player in the world but hes someone I'm a fan of so why don't I have that right?

With all this being said, I've bought membership on MLG due to how good Columbus was for me as a spectator.

This one I pay for and I can't watch both streams in HQ due to how poorly it was resolved and there are no replays, so basically I paid for a worse expirience then Columbus which once again was FREE.

Now lets go back to the scapegoat of reasons, as a few people already pointed out if I want to spam player I won't go trough the hassle of looking for his character code trough a fucking replay, I'll google it and guess what? I'll find it for 80% people competing.

So if your gonna deny us features you previously gave out for free, and make the ones you pay in a way that you also have to see ads, AND most importantly give out reasons that only a 5year old or a complete idiot could believe and try to pass it off as for the "good of the players and the community", please don't insult our intelligence and simply say "I want to make more money etc" and at least be honest about it.
Official bitch of Artanis[Xp]
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 01 2011 14:33 GMT
#938
On August 01 2011 23:19 akalarry wrote:
releasing replays helps the game evolve at a much faster pace


Then how did the korean brood war scene evolve to the level it is at now? They hardly released any replays lol
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
August 01 2011 14:40 GMT
#939
Well, most of the players have replays released already... Without any 'DDOS' troubles... I don't know why we can't have the Reps.

MLG promotes players coming back, but every player who has been to any MLG before Anaheim had his replays released, so if there was a risk, wouldn't some player have been affected already?

And else; the solution:
Purchase a couple of Player Accounts for MLG.
Call them:
Player 1
Player 2
Player1
Player2

MLG uses an overlay to show the scores in the BOX anyways, so it only affects the mouse- over part. It would however make it hard to sort the replays out, but that's more of a logistic problem.
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
PantsB
Profile Joined January 2011
United States77 Posts
August 01 2011 14:58 GMT
#940
Maybe this has been repeated many time (sorry haven't read thread) but the technical explanation doesn't make sense.

If I add a single person who competes in MLG I can get every player on my list with no real trouble.

Player A loses his first match to B and falls to the losers bracket. I add B. I add A's next opponent C and B's next one D. Then I also add C and D's previous games. Etc. Eventually I'll get to pool play. Hell, once I get to casted matches I can add the casting accounts used to observe the game and by game 2 I'll have the accounts.

That's ignoring that all the big name players have replays out there somewhere from a TLOpen or NASL or something.

I mean maybe this just hasn't been thought of. Or maybe they hope the a-holes who would disrupt the event are too lazy to do this. But I think its more likely this is trying to open a new avenue for revenue or a condition from Korean players.
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