EPTEDIT: Geoff is criticizing sundance for doing something (in an arguably more open and honmest fashion) that he did for NASL!!! After telling everyone that buiying a NASL subscription will "further esports and blah blah blah" you delivered a trashy excuse for a tournament, possibly the worst tournament that has come around recently, only saved by the great grand finals (which you should have let tastosis cast because you are shit)
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uGoatt
United States85 Posts
EDIT: Geoff is criticizing sundance for doing something (in an arguably more open and honmest fashion) that he did for NASL!!! After telling everyone that buiying a NASL subscription will "further esports and blah blah blah" you delivered a trashy excuse for a tournament, possibly the worst tournament that has come around recently, only saved by the great grand finals (which you should have let tastosis cast because you are shit) | ||
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hdan
27 Posts
On July 30 2011 23:33 Hamzilla wrote: what the hell is so hard to understand. This is a million dollar investment. If you dont please the investors then you are done. MLG will be over. After a certain point the community needs to turn profits for them. I hate this damn evil corporation mentality that comes with TL/reddit. Guess what, if you wanna be legit we need an "evil corporation." Who do you think is making MLG possible...those evil investors. Grow the heck up ppl, incontrol included. MLG is a legit business and e-sports needs that. 100,000 subscribers isnt some nice perk, its going to be necessary eventually. They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000 | ||
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bashalisk
102 Posts
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote: Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing! Nothing is ever enough for you, is it Geoff? | ||
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
On July 30 2011 23:50 hdan wrote: They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000 You sound like you think that the only expense that MLG has is paying out its Starcraft 2 players. You understand that in order to run an organization like MLG that employees, transportation, and venues also have to be paid for, correct? | ||
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
 Btw...Evo is amazing too..for those with an interest in fighting games | ||
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On July 30 2011 23:55 Fishriot wrote: You sound like you think that the only expense that MLG has is paying out its Starcraft 2 players. You understand that in order to run an organization like MLG that employees, transportation, and venues also have to be paid for, correct? The point he is making is that the vast majority of the money they are bringing in comes from having SC2 and having great players participating. Rewarding those players with a substantial prize pool, unlike the embarrassing ones of present, seems like it should be a priority regardless of the subscriptions. If that isn't possible, then maybe they in fact do need to close their doors. | ||
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Bortlett
United States302 Posts
There is also the incentive of earning rank points to get a good seed in the national championship, which is incredibly important (and has a $50k first place prize). MLG is not making money hand over fist. They are probably losing money considering they have had to invest significantly in technology and staff they didn't budget for at the beginning of the year. The more memberships they have, the more returning customers they have, which looks better for sponsors. I guarantee you MLG's business strategy is not to make money while stiffing the players. Higher prize pools look better for sponsors also and draw in more viewers. It will also be necessary as more tournaments with higher prize pools spring up. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool. http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/83642926789431296 | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
Oh god the hypocrisy is just overwhelming. pretty classy when an organizer of | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
heres a better pic. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OUNUw.jpg) | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
That is incontrol for you. Hate it or love it. In this case he is making a fool of himself. But in the next case he is probably right. He has an opinion, right or wrong. Remember SotG where he criticized Destiny for using words that didn't represent Esports well? --> On TL.net forums Incontrol is the biggest Troll. He just has to troll. I don't even think he means what he writes. I don't know. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1600 Posts
On July 30 2011 23:55 Fishriot wrote: You sound like you think that the only expense that MLG has is paying out its Starcraft 2 players. You understand that in order to run an organization like MLG that employees, transportation, and venues also have to be paid for, correct? If they get zero paid subscribers for the event the event will still take place. They got money from sponsors. The extra viewers that pay money to watch the stream is all bonus money profit and whatever else they add to the event, so if they're reaching out to the communities to make more $ shouldn't most of that be flooded into the event and not into their pockets. | ||
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FunnyPicture
Sweden147 Posts
As much as I hate to do it, I will have to agree with Geoffs remark. "Pay us more money, and we will possibly pay out more in prizes!" <-- Wtf? Even though incontrol is a smug and hypocritical bully, he is right about the stupidity of this statement. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:35 FunnyPicture wrote: Wow, major shitstorm incoming on Reddit. As much as I hate to do it, I will have to agree with Geoffs remark. "Pay us more money, and we will possibly pay out more in prizes!" <-- Wtf? Even though incontrol is a smug and hypocritical bully, he is right about the stupidity of this statement. wait, I'm confused.. You agree with geoff that what he(Geoff) said was stupid? | ||
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kentarre
United States28 Posts
On July 30 2011 23:50 hdan wrote: They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000 You do realize that its not just Starcraft 2 that MLG is supporting, but Halo Reach and Call of Duty: Black Ops? The total prize pool for the entire year over all 3 games and all events is ~$806,000 dollars. The final event alone, SC2 has a $120,000 dollar prize pool. Black Ops actually has a $140,000 prize pool but since that is split per person SC2 has a higher capita per player. $30 for 6 events, is a $5 pass for each event. If you compare it to the GSL Code S, that is a direct competitive amount. GSL Code S is 7 events per year totaling in ~$830,000 total prize money. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190136 . Yes that is for 1 game, however the intent of each league is the same. To promote a competitive eSports environment, to do that in the West you need to also appeal to the FPS crowd which is what MLG has done. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1600 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:38 zaii wrote: wait, I'm confused.. You agree with geoff that what he(Geoff) said was stupid? he(Sundance MLG) The quoted portion is mimicking of Sundance. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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viOLetFanClub
Korea (South)390 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:09 Beyonder wrote: Oh boy im enjoying this thread so much. Quite the show, isn't it? | ||
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