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uGoatt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States85 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 14:55:36
July 30 2011 14:49 GMT
#721
If Geoff Robinson isnt in the spotlight or the White Knight of esports, defender of the community, then he has to step into it somehow with smartass remarks and act like he is the mightiest person in the community. The only problem is, it seems smug and jealous; also--- wasnt he supposed to leave NASL to focus on being a better player? and lied about it?. Incontrol you are not the hero you think you are; you are a smug condescending subpar player and commentator.

EDIT: Geoff is criticizing sundance for doing something (in an arguably more open and honmest fashion) that he did for NASL!!! After telling everyone that buiying a NASL subscription will "further esports and blah blah blah" you delivered a trashy excuse for a tournament, possibly the worst tournament that has come around recently, only saved by the great grand finals (which you should have let tastosis cast because you are shit)
hdan
Profile Joined June 2011
27 Posts
July 30 2011 14:50 GMT
#722
On July 30 2011 23:33 Hamzilla wrote:
what the hell is so hard to understand. This is a million dollar investment. If you dont please the investors then you are done. MLG will be over. After a certain point the community needs to turn profits for them. I hate this damn evil corporation mentality that comes with TL/reddit. Guess what, if you wanna be legit we need an "evil corporation." Who do you think is making MLG possible...those evil investors.

Grow the heck up ppl, incontrol included. MLG is a legit business and e-sports needs that. 100,000 subscribers isnt some nice perk, its going to be necessary eventually.


They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000
bashalisk
Profile Joined September 2010
102 Posts
July 30 2011 14:52 GMT
#723
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!

Nothing is ever enough for you, is it Geoff?
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
July 30 2011 14:55 GMT
#724
On July 30 2011 23:50 hdan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 23:33 Hamzilla wrote:
what the hell is so hard to understand. This is a million dollar investment. If you dont please the investors then you are done. MLG will be over. After a certain point the community needs to turn profits for them. I hate this damn evil corporation mentality that comes with TL/reddit. Guess what, if you wanna be legit we need an "evil corporation." Who do you think is making MLG possible...those evil investors.

Grow the heck up ppl, incontrol included. MLG is a legit business and e-sports needs that. 100,000 subscribers isnt some nice perk, its going to be necessary eventually.


They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000


You sound like you think that the only expense that MLG has is paying out its Starcraft 2 players. You understand that in order to run an organization like MLG that employees, transportation, and venues also have to be paid for, correct?
Rinnegan5
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands319 Posts
July 30 2011 15:03 GMT
#725
I really dont give a crap about the prizepool. As long as the games and the event is great you dont hear me complain Btw...Evo is amazing too..for those with an interest in fighting games
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
July 30 2011 15:04 GMT
#726
On July 30 2011 23:55 Fishriot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 23:50 hdan wrote:
On July 30 2011 23:33 Hamzilla wrote:
what the hell is so hard to understand. This is a million dollar investment. If you dont please the investors then you are done. MLG will be over. After a certain point the community needs to turn profits for them. I hate this damn evil corporation mentality that comes with TL/reddit. Guess what, if you wanna be legit we need an "evil corporation." Who do you think is making MLG possible...those evil investors.

Grow the heck up ppl, incontrol included. MLG is a legit business and e-sports needs that. 100,000 subscribers isnt some nice perk, its going to be necessary eventually.


They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000


You sound like you think that the only expense that MLG has is paying out its Starcraft 2 players. You understand that in order to run an organization like MLG that employees, transportation, and venues also have to be paid for, correct?


The point he is making is that the vast majority of the money they are bringing in comes from having SC2 and having great players participating. Rewarding those players with a substantial prize pool, unlike the embarrassing ones of present, seems like it should be a priority regardless of the subscriptions. If that isn't possible, then maybe they in fact do need to close their doors.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
Bortlett
Profile Joined October 2010
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 15:10:41
July 30 2011 15:09 GMT
#727
Anybody who has any chance of placing in the money for MLG hasn't paid a cent to be there. They were flown out by teams. Most teams, from what I understand, don't take significant cuts from the prize money that players win. Players don't make their living off of prize money, it's from sponsorships and team salaries. So the real question is whether a bonus of $5k is enough for players to spend a weekend playing in the tournament, and the answer is clearly yes.

There is also the incentive of earning rank points to get a good seed in the national championship, which is incredibly important (and has a $50k first place prize).

MLG is not making money hand over fist. They are probably losing money considering they have had to invest significantly in technology and staff they didn't budget for at the beginning of the year. The more memberships they have, the more returning customers they have, which looks better for sponsors.

I guarantee you MLG's business strategy is not to make money while stiffing the players. Higher prize pools look better for sponsors also and draw in more viewers. It will also be necessary as more tournaments with higher prize pools spring up.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
July 30 2011 15:09 GMT
#728
Oh boy im enjoying this thread so much.
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Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
July 30 2011 15:09 GMT
#729
On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 05:26 Domination wrote:
Incontrol, the man who hyped NASL as the greatest thing since sliced bread and how we need to support it with our wallets, is mad at another man's "business ploy". Not sure what to say about that but I am certainly entertained.

Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool.


http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/83642926789431296
MBCGame HERO FIGHTING!!!~
getSome[703]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States753 Posts
July 30 2011 15:17 GMT
#730
On July 31 2011 00:09 Tomken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote:
On July 30 2011 05:26 Domination wrote:
Incontrol, the man who hyped NASL as the greatest thing since sliced bread and how we need to support it with our wallets, is mad at another man's "business ploy". Not sure what to say about that but I am certainly entertained.

Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool.


http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/83642926789431296


Oh god the hypocrisy is just overwhelming.

pretty classy when an organizer of TSL3 NASL openly criticizes another league! Grow up Ken Geoff.
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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
July 30 2011 15:19 GMT
#731
On July 31 2011 00:09 Tomken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote:
On July 30 2011 05:26 Domination wrote:
Incontrol, the man who hyped NASL as the greatest thing since sliced bread and how we need to support it with our wallets, is mad at another man's "business ploy". Not sure what to say about that but I am certainly entertained.

Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool.


http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/83642926789431296


heres a better pic.

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vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
July 30 2011 15:27 GMT
#732
This thread was a lot more entertaining than I thought it would be, either way Sundance is a hero.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 30 2011 15:29 GMT
#733
On July 31 2011 00:19 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 00:09 Tomken wrote:
On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote:
On July 30 2011 05:26 Domination wrote:
Incontrol, the man who hyped NASL as the greatest thing since sliced bread and how we need to support it with our wallets, is mad at another man's "business ploy". Not sure what to say about that but I am certainly entertained.

Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool.

+ Show Spoiler +

http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/83642926789431296


heres a better pic.

[image loading]

That is incontrol for you.

Hate it or love it.

In this case he is making a fool of himself.
But in the next case he is probably right.
He has an opinion, right or wrong.

Remember SotG where he criticized Destiny for using words that didn't represent Esports well?
--> On TL.net forums Incontrol is the biggest Troll. He just has to troll.

I don't even think he means what he writes. I don't know.
I had a good night of sleep.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
July 30 2011 15:34 GMT
#734
On July 30 2011 23:55 Fishriot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 23:50 hdan wrote:
On July 30 2011 23:33 Hamzilla wrote:
what the hell is so hard to understand. This is a million dollar investment. If you dont please the investors then you are done. MLG will be over. After a certain point the community needs to turn profits for them. I hate this damn evil corporation mentality that comes with TL/reddit. Guess what, if you wanna be legit we need an "evil corporation." Who do you think is making MLG possible...those evil investors.

Grow the heck up ppl, incontrol included. MLG is a legit business and e-sports needs that. 100,000 subscribers isnt some nice perk, its going to be necessary eventually.


They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000


You sound like you think that the only expense that MLG has is paying out its Starcraft 2 players. You understand that in order to run an organization like MLG that employees, transportation, and venues also have to be paid for, correct?


If they get zero paid subscribers for the event the event will still take place. They got money from sponsors. The extra viewers that pay money to watch the stream is all bonus money profit and whatever else they add to the event, so if they're reaching out to the communities to make more $ shouldn't most of that be flooded into the event and not into their pockets.
FunnyPicture
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden147 Posts
July 30 2011 15:35 GMT
#735
Wow, major shitstorm incoming on Reddit.

As much as I hate to do it, I will have to agree with Geoffs remark. "Pay us more money, and we will possibly pay out more in prizes!" <-- Wtf? Even though incontrol is a smug and hypocritical bully, he is right about the stupidity of this statement.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
July 30 2011 15:38 GMT
#736
On July 31 2011 00:35 FunnyPicture wrote:
Wow, major shitstorm incoming on Reddit.

As much as I hate to do it, I will have to agree with Geoffs remark. "Pay us more money, and we will possibly pay out more in prizes!" <-- Wtf? Even though incontrol is a smug and hypocritical bully, he is right about the stupidity of this statement.


wait, I'm confused.. You agree with geoff that what he(Geoff) said was stupid?
kentarre
Profile Joined December 2010
United States28 Posts
July 30 2011 15:39 GMT
#737
On July 30 2011 23:50 hdan wrote:
They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000


You do realize that its not just Starcraft 2 that MLG is supporting, but Halo Reach and Call of Duty: Black Ops?

The total prize pool for the entire year over all 3 games and all events is ~$806,000 dollars. The final event alone, SC2 has a $120,000 dollar prize pool. Black Ops actually has a $140,000 prize pool but since that is split per person SC2 has a higher capita per player.

$30 for 6 events, is a $5 pass for each event.

If you compare it to the GSL Code S, that is a direct competitive amount. GSL Code S is 7 events per year totaling in ~$830,000 total prize money. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190136 . Yes that is for 1 game, however the intent of each league is the same. To promote a competitive eSports environment, to do that in the West you need to also appeal to the FPS crowd which is what MLG has done.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
July 30 2011 15:41 GMT
#738
On July 31 2011 00:38 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 00:35 FunnyPicture wrote:
Wow, major shitstorm incoming on Reddit.

As much as I hate to do it, I will have to agree with Geoffs remark. "Pay us more money, and we will possibly pay out more in prizes!" <-- Wtf? Even though incontrol is a smug and hypocritical bully, he is right about the stupidity of this statement.


wait, I'm confused.. You agree with geoff that what he(Geoff) said was stupid?


he(Sundance MLG) The quoted portion is mimicking of Sundance.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
July 30 2011 15:48 GMT
#739
MLG should disclose their finances ... Let's see how much of what they earn goes to prize money. IMHO not too much
viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
July 30 2011 15:50 GMT
#740
On July 31 2011 00:09 Beyonder wrote:
Oh boy im enjoying this thread so much.


Quite the show, isn't it?
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