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On July 31 2011 00:35 FunnyPicture wrote:
Wow, major shitstorm incoming on Reddit.
As much as I hate to do it, I will have to agree with Geoffs remark. "Pay us more money, and we will possibly pay out more in prizes!" <-- Wtf? Even though incontrol is a smug and hypocritical bully, he is right about the stupidity of this statement.
I don't see the issue, you have to be deluded to think otherwise. If MLG gets a higher income they can increase the prize pool. Did you really need Sundance to tell you that?
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On July 31 2011 00:48 s4life wrote:
MLG should disclose their finances ... Let's see how much of what they earn goes to prize money. IMHO not too much
League stability has to be priority, and a way to impress the sponsors to invest more in the league
( MLG Membership), which would mean high prize pool and more events.
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On July 31 2011 00:50 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 00:35 FunnyPicture wrote:
Wow, major shitstorm incoming on Reddit.
As much as I hate to do it, I will have to agree with Geoffs remark. "Pay us more money, and we will possibly pay out more in prizes!" <-- Wtf? Even though incontrol is a smug and hypocritical bully, he is right about the stupidity of this statement. I don't see the issue, you have to be deluded to think otherwise. If MLG gets a higher income they can increase the prize pool. Did you really need Sundance to tell you that?
Exactly. This is why it is a stupid statement, it is only stating the obvious. Money goes in, prizes come out. You can't explain that!
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On July 31 2011 00:53 FunnyPicture wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 00:50 vyyye wrote:On July 31 2011 00:35 FunnyPicture wrote:
Wow, major shitstorm incoming on Reddit.
As much as I hate to do it, I will have to agree with Geoffs remark. "Pay us more money, and we will possibly pay out more in prizes!" <-- Wtf? Even though incontrol is a smug and hypocritical bully, he is right about the stupidity of this statement. I don't see the issue, you have to be deluded to think otherwise. If MLG gets a higher income they can increase the prize pool. Did you really need Sundance to tell you that? Exactly. This is why it is a stupid statement, it is only stating the obvious. Money goes in, prizes come out. You can't explain that!
thank you sir for making laugh at 1:52am, while waiting for MLG day 2 to start.
<3
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On July 31 2011 00:51 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 00:48 s4life wrote:
MLG should disclose their finances ... Let's see how much of what they earn goes to prize money. IMHO not too much League stability has to be priority, and a way to impress the sponsors to invest more in the league ( MLG Membership), which would mean high prize pool and more events.
Nice logic right there, the way to create a stable business is to increase your expenses. Or perhaps the better way is controlled sustainable growth.
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incontroll is becoming a dick. First he posts that thing about TB now about MLG. And ingame his "manner" is just to much: "Hey GG and the best of luck in the rest of the tournament"
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i have a theory that incontrol is just a troll in a fat suit and after he gets us to really buy into his identity as a mediocre antagonistic "progamer" he'll pop out from the fat suit like a butterfly emerging from a cocoon. and it will be CombatEx
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thats pretty funny how directly hypocritical that makes incontrol sound lol. regardless of whether or not inc is a hypocrite doesnt change the fact that hes right in this circumstance though. 0.2% or whatever of their budget into prize pool seems rather weak.
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On July 30 2011 02:41 SundanceMLG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing! Months ago you gave me shit about the prize pool and now I'm putting a simple and obtainable goal out there for the entire community and you give me shit again - and that's fine. I still respect you and appreciate what you've done and will continue to do for the scene. My question is this - if the number was 50,000 would you take an issue with my approach? How about 15,000? What if I didn't say a thing and just watched my spreadsheets populate with numbers and kept the community in the dark? Shouldn't the people who love this have some insight into what is needed for success? You're either in or you're out. $30 a year from 100,000 people makes this company a real business and not just a passion project from a guy with a hippy name who refuses to quit. $30 a year from 10,000 people means that we're all wrong and there isn't enough fan support to sustain a business of scale. Less than a dime a day from less than 10% of the people who visit our site over the course of an event weekend allows me to flip a switch and change next year to a structure that supports 24 live events & 28 meaningful ladders. 52 competitions with nearly 2 million dollars of prize money and stipends. Again - I don't care if you think I'm an asshole or a money grubbing prick. I just want to find out if what we do is actually meaningful to enough of you to step up.
If paid subscribers are going to make or break MLG, then shouldn't you be negotiating with the larger source of money... the sponsors. They are the ones who turned on the light switch when there was no money right? I personally will pay, don't really have time to watch live, glad you now have VODs, glad someone got the message that if you're going to run an event in three days you should probably have two streams for SC2, but I just see this as a guise to line the pockets of the company, not refueling MLG/esports.
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At this point Incontrol is a living pr disaster, anything he says is sure to offend some one or some organization.
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On July 31 2011 00:17 getSome[703] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 00:09 Tomken wrote:On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote:On July 30 2011 05:26 Domination wrote:
Incontrol, the man who hyped NASL as the greatest thing since sliced bread and how we need to support it with our wallets, is mad at another man's "business ploy". Not sure what to say about that but I am certainly entertained. Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool. http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/83642926789431296 Oh god the hypocrisy is just overwhelming. pretty classy when an organizer of TSL3 NASL openly criticizes another league! Grow up Ken Geoff.
Technically Geoff isn't the organizer and he it's associated with it anymore.
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On July 30 2011 02:16 Assirra wrote:
Just buy the frigin membership. If you don't want to contribute to esports then don't, leave the community and stop complaining.
LOL its not religion we are talking about or charity. Supporting e-sports doesn't necessarily mean throwing money at it. Its got to have enough appeal for me to buy anything.
Last time I checked MLG made 16 million dollars profit, so sorry if I'm not too eager to give him more money.
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I think this was a pretty bad statement by sundance. It makes him come off as disengenious. If you do the math hes asking for 3 million so he can afford to increase a prizepool of 14k. No surprise that some people took it badly. What he really means (I hope) is that MLG's financial state of affairs is probably not that great, I wouldn't be surprised if they had been running in the red for years, I never even heard of MLG till last year. So yeah he needs 3 million, because he has to pay his debts before he can increase the prizepool, not because the prizepool is a big part of MLG's budget. Or maybe he really is just a greedy asshole, who knows, MLG's finances aren't public.
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On July 31 2011 01:11 thehitman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 02:16 Assirra wrote:
Just buy the frigin membership. If you don't want to contribute to esports then don't, leave the community and stop complaining. LOL its not religion we are talking about or charity. Supporting e-sports doesn't necessarily mean throwing money at it. Its got to have enough appeal for me to buy anything. Last time I checked MLG made 16 million dollars profit, so sorry if I'm not too eager to give him more money.
Source for the 16M dollars profits? 
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On July 31 2011 01:11 thehitman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 02:16 Assirra wrote:
Just buy the frigin membership. If you don't want to contribute to esports then don't, leave the community and stop complaining. LOL its not religion we are talking about or charity. Supporting e-sports doesn't necessarily mean throwing money at it. Its got to have enough appeal for me to buy anything. Last time I checked MLG made 16 million dollars profit, so sorry if I'm not too eager to give him more money.
Where did this number come from?
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On July 30 2011 02:41 SundanceMLG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing! Months ago you gave me shit about the prize pool and now I'm putting a simple and obtainable goal out there for the entire community and you give me shit again - and that's fine. I still respect you and appreciate what you've done and will continue to do for the scene. My question is this - if the number was 50,000 would you take an issue with my approach? How about 15,000? What if I didn't say a thing and just watched my spreadsheets populate with numbers and kept the community in the dark? Shouldn't the people who love this have some insight into what is needed for success? You're either in or you're out. $30 a year from 100,000 people makes this company a real business and not just a passion project from a guy with a hippy name who refuses to quit. $30 a year from 10,000 people means that we're all wrong and there isn't enough fan support to sustain a business of scale. Less than a dime a day from less than 10% of the people who visit our site over the course of an event weekend allows me to flip a switch and change next year to a structure that supports 24 live events & 28 meaningful ladders. 52 competitions with nearly 2 million dollars of prize money and stipends. Again - I don't care if you think I'm an asshole or a money grubbing prick. I just want to find out if what we do is actually meaningful to enough of you to step up.
Your post just convinced me to purchase a full-on membership. Thank you for what you are doing for eSports and fuck what guys like Incontrol are doing to try and bring you down.
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On July 31 2011 01:07 tooPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 00:17 getSome[703] wrote:On July 31 2011 00:09 Tomken wrote:On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote:On July 30 2011 05:26 Domination wrote:
Incontrol, the man who hyped NASL as the greatest thing since sliced bread and how we need to support it with our wallets, is mad at another man's "business ploy". Not sure what to say about that but I am certainly entertained. Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool. http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/83642926789431296 Oh god the hypocrisy is just overwhelming. pretty classy when an organizer of TSL3 NASL openly criticizes another league! Grow up Ken Geoff. Technically Geoff isn't the organizer and he it's associated with it anymore.
I dunno man. Preferential treatment when picking the casters, the players and employing his girlfriend would strongly indicate that he is. Geoff defending NASL and attacking other tournament's organizer's and then claiming he isnt associated with NASL is a shameless act only a fool will believe. There is a reason even lowest tier lottery employees(for example) arent allowed to play in the lottery.
Geoff is one of NASL organizers. Period.
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On July 30 2011 23:55 Fishriot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 23:50 hdan wrote:On July 30 2011 23:33 Hamzilla wrote:
what the hell is so hard to understand. This is a million dollar investment. If you dont please the investors then you are done. MLG will be over. After a certain point the community needs to turn profits for them. I hate this damn evil corporation mentality that comes with TL/reddit. Guess what, if you wanna be legit we need an "evil corporation." Who do you think is making MLG possible...those evil investors.
Grow the heck up ppl, incontrol included. MLG is a legit business and e-sports needs that. 100,000 subscribers isnt some nice perk, its going to be necessary eventually. They need over $3,000,000 to pay more than $14,000 in prizes to the people that make them the majority of that $3,000,000, what a total joke, especially considering the players themselves already pay more than $14,000 in tournament entrance fees. Seems to me the only way to increase the players prize pool is to increase the players entrance fees, Maybe if they pay $150 each they can up the prize pool to $28,000 You sound like you think that the only expense that MLG has is paying out its Starcraft 2 players. You understand that in order to run an organization like MLG that employees, transportation, and venues also have to be paid for, correct?
Thanks to the other people that finally understood the point I was trying to make, but in the mean time, you do realise that $14k is less than 0.5% of $3mil
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Uhhh my comment wasn't trying to bring him down lol
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On July 31 2011 01:24 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 01:07 tooPrime wrote:On July 31 2011 00:17 getSome[703] wrote:On July 31 2011 00:09 Tomken wrote:On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote:On July 30 2011 05:26 Domination wrote:
Incontrol, the man who hyped NASL as the greatest thing since sliced bread and how we need to support it with our wallets, is mad at another man's "business ploy". Not sure what to say about that but I am certainly entertained. Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool. http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/83642926789431296 Oh god the hypocrisy is just overwhelming. pretty classy when an organizer of TSL3 NASL openly criticizes another league! Grow up Ken Geoff. Technically Geoff isn't the organizer and he it's associated with it anymore. I dunno man. Preferential treatment when picking the casters, the players and employing his girlfriend would strongly indicate that he is. Geoff defending NASL and attacking other tournament's organizer's and then claiming he isnt associated with NASL is a shameless act only a fool will believe. There is a reason even lowest tier lottery employees(for example) arent allowed to play in the lottery. Geoff is one of NASL organizers. Period.
No I'm not/wasn't lol
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