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gold_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada312 Posts
July 29 2011 12:29 GMT
#181
I bought a HD pass for the second last event, the one that failed hard. I thought I had a free pass for the event that just passed, but apparently I have just received another free pass code for this coming event. I pay for the HD pass every MLG to support them, I enjoy there events because it normally starts at a good time for me ( NA ) as well the all day tournament thing more enjoyable than the 5 matches a night stuff.
I am from Canada, eh!
Convalescence
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark91 Posts
July 29 2011 12:30 GMT
#182
I'll be buying the Silver membership, no doubt. The amount of entertainment I get for only $9,99 is amazing. I <3 Starcraft 2, a lot, and I'll do it for eSports, damn it.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
July 29 2011 12:32 GMT
#183
On July 29 2011 21:02 Aurdon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 21:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On July 29 2011 20:58 Theo wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


What a hypocrite, he cried so much about people flaming NASL and then comes right back does it to another organization.


what? he has a valid point. memberships will give them a shit ton of money, seems obvious they would raise prize pool.



No he has a point. Incontrol was real quick to knock the TL staff for criticizing the NASL. Saying something along the lines that organizers of another tournament shouldn't publicly criticize other tournaments.

Firstly, iNcontroL isnt an organiser of a tournament, he cut all ties with NASL. he may guest cast, but he is simply a player now.

Secondly, His post is hardly flaming. Sarcasm where sarcasm is due.
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TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
July 29 2011 12:32 GMT
#184
On July 29 2011 21:25 Sina92 wrote:
I most likely wont contribute. 2 streams and we have to pay? Dreamhack had 5+ streams and it was free.



You don't have to pay. You still get free stream.
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
July 29 2011 12:33 GMT
#185
On July 29 2011 21:32 TooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 21:25 Sina92 wrote:
I most likely wont contribute. 2 streams and we have to pay? Dreamhack had 5+ streams and it was free.



You don't have to pay. You still get free stream.


In order to purchase a HD pass I'll have to though.
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RoyalCheese
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic745 Posts
July 29 2011 12:34 GMT
#186
On July 29 2011 21:28 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 21:26 RoyalCheese wrote:
On July 29 2011 21:15 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 20:59 Garfunko wrote:
Some people are in the mindset that they should have the best players fly in across the world every event and watch the stream for free in HD with no ads ..just because...!?

These types of people are hurting esports by not supporting them, and have to move out of mamas basement and live in the real world for a change. Everything cost money, and if you wanna keep seeing more sc2 events of this high quality, you gotta support it man, just common sense really.


No one said anything like that.

The "problem" with the statement for me is I read it like:
"Pay us 30$ or we will keep our kinda low pricepool"

I mean? WTF?

I most probably won't buy it anyway (and never said I would), but that’s because I can't watch the whole thing anyway. I don't care about adds and the quality on the free stream was "ok" (last time I saw it, which is some time ago )... If I buy it, I will do it spontaneous while the event is running... In advance whiteout even knowing if MLG will fuck it up again? Not a chance... The "give us money for bigger pricepool" just feels dikish to me.

Btw1: ROFL for your "HURTING ESPORTS" comment... rofl..

Btw2: 30$ seems pretty expensive? I doubt this will entertain me more than the Homestory Cup (which I bought for HD) and costs 6 times more?


Well, you are reading the statement wrong...it says that if we buy 100k passes, they will increase prize pool, it says nothing about what happens if we don't buy the passes.


"UPDATE
Sorry I was reading through his twitter and saw a guy tweet Sundance saying that number is way too high. Sundance replied with the following:

Sundance wrote:
"if that number is to high than I need to cut prize money next year.""


Interesting, well i choose to believe that they have a good reason to ask people to buy their shit, because in the past they showed that they actually care about customers. Also, people need to realize that they spend 190k on prize pool each year on sc2 only. I can imagine halo and cod being even more expensive as it's team game. I don't know. Sorry if i sounded harsh.
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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
July 29 2011 12:40 GMT
#187
On July 29 2011 21:28 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 21:26 RoyalCheese wrote:
On July 29 2011 21:15 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 20:59 Garfunko wrote:
Some people are in the mindset that they should have the best players fly in across the world every event and watch the stream for free in HD with no ads ..just because...!?

These types of people are hurting esports by not supporting them, and have to move out of mamas basement and live in the real world for a change. Everything cost money, and if you wanna keep seeing more sc2 events of this high quality, you gotta support it man, just common sense really.


No one said anything like that.

The "problem" with the statement for me is I read it like:
"Pay us 30$ or we will keep our kinda low pricepool"

I mean? WTF?

I most probably won't buy it anyway (and never said I would), but that’s because I can't watch the whole thing anyway. I don't care about adds and the quality on the free stream was "ok" (last time I saw it, which is some time ago )... If I buy it, I will do it spontaneous while the event is running... In advance whiteout even knowing if MLG will fuck it up again? Not a chance... The "give us money for bigger pricepool" just feels dikish to me.

Btw1: ROFL for your "HURTING ESPORTS" comment... rofl..

Btw2: 30$ seems pretty expensive? I doubt this will entertain me more than the Homestory Cup (which I bought for HD) and costs 6 times more?


Well, you are reading the statement wrong...it says that if we buy 100k passes, they will increase prize pool, it says nothing about what happens if we don't buy the passes.


"UPDATE
Sorry I was reading through his twitter and saw a guy tweet Sundance saying that number is way too high. Sundance replied with the following:

Sundance wrote:
"if that number is to high than I need to cut prize money next year.""


You do know he was trolling that guy right? oh god... cmon ppl!!
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
July 29 2011 13:07 GMT
#188
On July 29 2011 21:32 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 21:02 Aurdon wrote:
On July 29 2011 21:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On July 29 2011 20:58 Theo wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


What a hypocrite, he cried so much about people flaming NASL and then comes right back does it to another organization.


what? he has a valid point. memberships will give them a shit ton of money, seems obvious they would raise prize pool.



No he has a point. Incontrol was real quick to knock the TL staff for criticizing the NASL. Saying something along the lines that organizers of another tournament shouldn't publicly criticize other tournaments.

Firstly, iNcontroL isnt an organiser of a tournament, he cut all ties with NASL. he may guest cast, but he is simply a player now.

Secondly, His post is hardly flaming. Sarcasm where sarcasm is due.


Yet he represents an organization that owns and runs tournaments.
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Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
July 29 2011 13:11 GMT
#189
On July 29 2011 20:53 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 20:45 Jamial wrote:
On July 29 2011 18:29 JoFritzMD wrote:
My favourite part is that it doesn't matter what the prize pool is. They could be playing for free and we would all still watch and the pro's would still go.

Why will we watch? Because it's a great event. All of the worlds top players are there. It is THE competition to win.

Why will the pros go? Because it is great publicity for their sponsors and it has, as I mentioned above, the greatest competition in terms of who is there.

I looked at the Championship Bracket this year and in half of the groups there is no one player who is above the rest. In the groups that you do have a player who is clearly better, the second spot is a toss up between everyone in the group.

Then you look at the Open Bracket and I cry when I think about how many great players aren't able to get through just because of how few open spots there are.

I couldn't care less what Sundance did. He could drive through the streets of LA in a lamborghini throwing money out of the window as he laughed at the people who spent 30$ so they didn't have to see ads and could make out the supply count. I would still watch it. I would still pay my 30$ and I'm pretty sure 90% of the other people who pay for the HD stream would do the same.


You have absolutely no clue how these things work. The prizepool is EVERYTHING. The reason Dreamhack is big? The prizepool. The reason GSL is big? The prizepool.

The prizepool says all about an event's class. The bigger sponsors -> the bigger prizepool -> the bigger the event. Players (Like MMA, DRG, IdrA, HuK, Naniwa) wouldn't show up to MLG like this if the prizes were 1 dollar for 1st place, 0 for second. Even if the event was as big as now.

Yes, it's a chance for sponsors to show up, but we as spectators get even more into the tournaments, when the prizes are big. And so do the players.

Even with their salaries, it's still a nice catch that you make 5K extra pocketmoney for winning. Or even a % as that amount if some such is contracted.

Talking about eSports exisiting without prizemoney, is like saying you could have huge pokertournaments without prizemoney.


-.- You are completely and utterly wrong.

The reason MLG is so big, is because of the huge amounts of media/coverage. It's at these events, that sponsors are getting their money back, and then some.

Pricepool everything? NO! Get your facts straight!


I agree with you that the prizepool isn't everything. I guess I was going to the other extreme to make a point. These events would not be as big, if the prizepool wasn't there. I think we can all agree on that. Prizepool matters.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 13:16:12
July 29 2011 13:14 GMT
#190
I just bought a Gold membership yesterday before seeing this thread. $29.99 for a year is very reasonable, seeing how I plan to watch every event and and would have had to buy a pass for each one for HQ while the Gold gives me HQ access for each event for the next year.
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 29 2011 13:20 GMT
#191
On July 29 2011 22:14 BronzeKnee wrote:
I just bought a Gold membership yesterday before seeing this thread. $29.99 for a year is very reasonable, seeing how I plan to watch every event and and would have had to buy a pass for each one for HQ while the Gold gives me HQ access for each event for the next year.

Same here. Don't regret it.

But I'm really kind of rolling my eyes at 'imma cut the prize pool' bit. I immediately read that in the Heath Ledger Joker voice.

"... and if by the end of the day One Hundred Thousand Subscribers isn't reached... I will cut the prize pool. HUEHEUHAUEUAHUHEUAHUEA"
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Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 29 2011 13:21 GMT
#192
Whats with everyone complaining that MLG is so greedy all of a sudden? Aren't you guys happy they're bringing out 4 Koreans every MLG? They've done a lot for us already.
thewax
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria365 Posts
July 29 2011 13:23 GMT
#193
first of all, i think 30$ a year is really cheap compared to what you get.

But i dont get this whole acting of sundance recently, it's almost like "if you dont pay enough i will cut the prize pools" etc. etc.

Especially tweets like those below make him sound a little bit like a douche...
"How far does a sense of entitlement get you? 100,000 memberships doesn't equal the money that I have personally invested."

just my 2 cents, got a gold pass anyways because i want to support the game and esports
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 29 2011 13:25 GMT
#194
On July 29 2011 22:21 Sandro wrote:
Whats with everyone complaining that MLG is so greedy all of a sudden? Aren't you guys happy they're bringing out 4 Koreans every MLG? They've done a lot for us already.

It's not really complaining about them being greedy. It just seems like getting 100,000 people to pay for this feature is setting the bar a bit too high. I'm sure they get a ton of viewers but that almost sounds like they are wanting every single one to buy it. Then another thing that rubs people the wrong way is his remark about lowering the prize pool if this goal is not met.
SeriouR
Profile Joined November 2010
Spain622 Posts
July 29 2011 13:26 GMT
#195
If he wants to icnrease prize pool he has to get better sponsors that pay more money,
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enecateReAP
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom378 Posts
July 29 2011 13:26 GMT
#196
Hey guys!
Give me $1million and I'll create a tournament with a bigger prize pool than MLGs...
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 13:35:20
July 29 2011 13:34 GMT
#197
lol. i actually sees it as if sundance was bragging and informing us that mlg going to get 100,000 subscribers soon and next year's sc2 prize money is going to increase. I was even more sure with his response of " i might decrease the prize pool". So yeah.

Especially because it is unlikely that a CEO is going to make that kind of statement. "If i get 100,000 subscribers, i will increase the prize money" if he doesn't think that it is likely to be met. That means that if next year the prize pool stays the same, everyone knows they didn't hit 100,000 and to set up an expectation and says we didn't really achieve it is quite bad for the image.

So, pretty sure MLG gonna hit 100,000 viewers and next year prize pool gonna increase and that's more the point of the tweet.
Serene
Profile Joined August 2010
United States23 Posts
July 29 2011 13:35 GMT
#198
On July 29 2011 22:26 SeriouR wrote:
If he wants to icnrease prize pool he has to get better sponsors that pay more money,


That's an unsustainable business model, in my opinion. One can't expect a company to base prize pools completely off of sponsors. Especially when I guarantee most of that money is put back into operating costs such as hiring the satellite trucks to increase stream quality. The whole purpose of increasing memberships is to make a sustainable business model that can produce revenue to be reinvested into the company. But I guess people overlook that little part.

Economies of scale hasn't kicked in yet. MLG still has to ramp up production equipment and rent area for the conventions. Which probably increases for each event as they get bigger and that trend will continue until a certain point.

Personally I've bought my pass, no reason not to support a company that has done so much for eSports in America and internationally once other plans come to fruition.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 13:39:44
July 29 2011 13:38 GMT
#199
On July 29 2011 22:26 enecateReAP wrote:
Hey guys!
Give me $1million and I'll create a tournament with a bigger prize pool than MLGs...


Do people think that all of that imaginary million would be profit? Lol. Seems like people like to ignore the fact that it cost a lot of money as well to organize what MLG is doing.
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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 14:05:38
July 29 2011 13:45 GMT
#200
On July 29 2011 22:38 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 22:26 enecateReAP wrote:
Hey guys!
Give me $1million and I'll create a tournament with a bigger prize pool than MLGs...


Do people think that all of that imaginary million would be profit? Lol. Seems like people like to ignore the fact that it cost a lot of money as well to organize what MLG is doing.


Edit: meant to write something...

Exactly, getting the venue itself would cost a couple hundred thousand
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