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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
"We didnt throw a contract in pumas face" No, instead you said, "hey we pay you and pay for you to fly all over the world competing in tournaments like this one. Want to join EG?" This is hyperbole and also, this is not a contract. "We didnt snipe a contracted player of another team" No, you grabbed a player of another team, who was not under a WRITTEN contract" How is this a contradiction? | ||
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BlackOmega
United States26 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:53 integrity wrote: AG /stand *starts slow clap* you are great. also sidenote: notice how the poll has 501 who said they are no longer fans but 569 people are either new or existing fans. lol Well, the poll leaves out options like 'Never was a fan, still not' and 'Don't care one way or the other. From a pure plus/minus vantage point EG is -90 fans. Though polls on the internet tend to be for fun rather than as a serious examination of how the fanbase is reacting. By this time next week we'll have something else to rage about.  | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
anyone else not a fan of eg's site design? :s | ||
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Mackh
France132 Posts
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ExPresident
United States215 Posts
I think the community is blowing this up over nothing. Fact is in other sports players/drivers etc are contacted directly or via their agent no the team, unless their contract strictly states that no interaction will happen without management present in which case you could still contact the player and say "I didn't know your contract stated that, but hey now you know we wanna talk" and the player could arrange it with his management per the contract. Fact is I don't blame EG for: 1. Giving Puma a business card first. 2. Not contacting his coach first. I guarantee 99% of you would be all about wanting to get a better contract for yourselves or pay and would seriously jump at the opportunity if it presented itself. EG merely alerted the player to their interest in him. For one why on earth would they wait till they had the opportunity to talk to his coach when it could be after he won the NASL that this occurred and other teams may be jumping at the opportunity. Everyone knows Puma was a practice partner and had issues with his nerves. Clearly prior to the round of 8, which everyone agree's on, EG saw something in him and wanted to be the first team to get their foot in the door in the event a chance to sign him opened up, I'm sure after he won the NASL numerous teams were considering it, but EG got the jump and put their name out there first. Puma is the winner in this and so is every player out there who has the opportunity to get a better deal for themselves by two teams competing. You wanna know why Korean teams and the KSA wants to put contracts on players with their teams and is pissed off by this? Because they are business and they have a vested interest in seeing THEIR teams do well so that the can make money and their sponsors can see results. ITS BUSINESS. Good job EG on getting a good player and you did it legally, whether people like it or not. Good job on giving Puma a better deal than he was getting with TSL. Shame on TSL for not offering him a better one and keeping him there. Rock on for teams/sponsors creating a situation that makes teams compete against each other to keep/sign the best players which could one day BE ONE OF YOU. But remember all the complaining thats going on and don't take that killer deal cause you know, your on a team of friends, and your not on a contract, and well you aren't getting the bills paid without the contract so don't do it. | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:58 simmeh wrote: on a non related note anyone else not a fan of eg's site design? :s the sign on the top clearly say beta. but i thing they stop caring since they never go there anyway | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:57 Dr.Sin wrote: Why would EG care about Puma if he wasn't even in Code A before winning the NASL open tournament to get into the finals? "We didnt throw a contract in pumas face" No, instead you said, "hey we pay you and pay for you to fly all over the world competing in tournaments like this one. Want to join EG?" This is hyperbole and also, this is not a contract. "We didnt snipe a contracted player of another team" No, you grabbed a player of another team, who was not under a WRITTEN contract" How is this a contradiction? What is wrong with someone going around handing out business cards saying, if you're interested we can offer you a job. It isn't a direct snipe at Puma- its because EG is looking in general for a new player to add and there was not a concerted effort to get Puma to join EG behind TSL's back. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:51 myth_au wrote: Dude business it is, but there is a good business method and a bad one. The point and lesson here is what EG did was not done properly. I don't think anyone has a problem with Players changing teams (it happens and TSL accepts that) but its the method its done. What is this "proper" method? That a coach needs to be contacted first? WHY SHOULD COACH LEE KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE PUMA? Is Puma is not really a person but just an entity of a team? Is the head of an organization more important then the players? Puma is an adult and can make his own choices. This whole deal shows that EG sees Puma as an individual while Mr. Lee sees him as part of his team, the team that he owns and that part of his property was stolen from him. EDIT: I just need to make this point clear. The argument against EG is just really total disrespect towards Puma. Puma should be able to hear whatever offers come his way before his coach hears about it. Puma can make his own decisions. He didn't belong to TSL. He was a part of their team and took a better offer that will be better for his future in SC2. Defending that EG needs to contact the coach first perpetuates the idea that the coach is more important than the player, when it should be the opposite. | ||
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sashamunguia
Mexico423 Posts
it's ok to just disagree and argue and shit (there's a lot I'm not happy with about this situation), but I can't reading stupid comments from dumb haters who barely know how to read and just focus on those one or two things they can't understand and ignore the other 98% of the story. On July 26 2011 09:58 Jibba wrote: Because there's an abundance of cheap, unknown talent in Korea at the moment. yeah, I can't possibly think of a better answer than that... and apparently you couldn't either, but well | ||
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Trizz
Netherlands1318 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:08 Hittegods wrote: Now if there only was an apology for Milkis... is there a vod of that conversation somewhere? | ||
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Fanta_Rules
Sweden669 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:04 EGalex wrote: 7) EG has already sent a letter to Mr. Lee, apologizing to him for any personal disrespect that this situation has caused him. EG is also publicly apologizing to him for the same reason. 8) EG feels that TSL's public reaction to this situation was knee-jerk and unfair. The fact that PuMa spoke with Mr. Lee as the *first* step in this process does not mean that EG disregarded or ignored TSL. EG and PuMa both agreed that PuMa speaking with Mr. Lee would be the best *first step* for the process. EG expected that the next step in the process would involve speaking with Mr. Lee, but EG did not have a chance to do so, due to the fact that Mr. Lee went to the press so quickly after speaking with PuMa. This is so funny. "Apologizing" to and slandering him at the same time. Anyone who doesn't see this for what it is, damage control, must be pretty darn naive. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
And you should be happy because of this whole affair Mr. Garfield. Now EVERYONE will be following PuMa!!! | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
At the end of WoC, AG kept saying how he was not attacking milkis when expressing how he felt EG had been treated unfairly and when milkis took offense, he apologized again. The whole thing was awkward and it is easy to understand how the handling and wording created a problem. In a way, AG didn't want to target milkis specifically, but at the same time, because of the timing and the example, it was impossible for the situation to not target milkis. From a conceptual standpoint, AG's argument brings important questions, but his conflict of interest and timing in asking the question created a storm of bad press for EG. | ||
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YipCraft
United States216 Posts
Nothing was final, the only reason you are all over-reacting is because of the press that the TSL coach went to. Making this into the most rude thing to happen to TSL. EG had no intention to make that happen. The coach just straight out said that the player was stolen, released, whatever you prefer apparently since its both the same. In the end, I see nothing wrong that EG did. They tried to approach this the way of which puma wanted to. And on a side note, if you were a organization looking for a new player, wouldnt you want to talk to him if he ever has any intention of joining a foreigner team? I know I would @_@. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:45 happyness wrote: What!? Why the hell would EG want to make enemies with a Korean team? How is this not a genuine statment? That's exactly the point. Of course they wouldn't want to offend Korean teams now, after seeing the backlash. It is written in a way to suggest that this had been their sentiment prior to this incident, but the evidence supporting that is doubtful. | ||
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myth_au
Australia39 Posts
On July 26 2011 13:00 happyness wrote: What is this "proper" method? That a coach needs to be contacted first? WHY SHOULD COACH LEE KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE PUMA? Is Puma is not really a person but just an entity of a team? Is the head of an organization more important then the players? Puma is an adult and can make his own choices. This whole deal shows that EG sees Puma as an individual while Mr. Lee sees him as part of his team, the team that he owns and that part of his property was stolen from him. In my view, the "proper" way was to talk to coach lee first. Give him an opportunity to allow the transfer to go through. IF, and ONLY IF, it was not possible EG can then contact PuMa. PuMa is a person and can make his own choice, of course, but he is part of a team. Coach Lee invested time and effort and then someone comes along and sidelines him. If you were in coach Lee's position you'd be happy with that?? AG knew the circumstances and did what he did. I am merely saying it is a reflection on AG that is "i am happy to @#! with you if it is for my good". Shows lack of business ethics. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
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Ubes
Ireland111 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:12 awu25 wrote: Why didn't you speak to the coach first? It's like a manager going to Kobe and asking if he would be interested in joining a team. You can't expect the player to have the balls and say "I want to join another team" GM's or Managers in Basketball are not Agents. Without agents you talk to the player, that's how free-agents work in the Major Leagues. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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Krelush
Philippines17 Posts
With regards to EG-PuMa-TSL, I do not think that they're in the wrong. It would've been better if EG approached TSL first, but I do get their point.. they didn't try and steal Puma away from TSL by offering a contract to him right off the bat. Rather they approached him and told him they were interested and that they wanted to make a deal with TSL.. I don't know guys.. to me it seems like most of this is Puma's fault. If you read Coach Lee's interview in PlayXP he said this: + Show Spoiler + Shortly after his arrival from the US, PuMa was not himself and was seen frequently sighing for about three days as if he was stressed out. Naturally, I was concerned to see this coming from someone who had just won the NASL. This attitude continued even after we won our GSTL match a few days later. I had never seen this side of PuMa during the one year we were together. Sensing something strange was going on, I asked him repeatedly what was wrong, but he did not give me an answer. But he finally opened up to me the day after the GSTL match about his dilemma. At that point, I felt that he had already made up his mind to leave the team. If I remember correctly, EG's position was more of "we want to sign you, but we want to talk to your management first" EGAlex had also mentioned(in the first page of this post) that they would only recruit Puma of Coach Lee was okay with it. + Show Spoiler + We also made it very clear to each other that neither of us would be not be able to proceed with this recruitment unless TSL's coach was okay with it. What I'm getting at is.. the way I see it, Puma really wanted to join EG, and he knew that Coach Lee might not agree, especially after Trickster and FruitDealer had already left. Knowing that EG wouldn't recruit him unless Coach Lee was okay with it, his approach towards coach Lee probably changed. So instead of making EG and TSL enter negotiation talks, he acted as if he had already decided to join. Anyways.. as for the Milkis comment from EG(from WoC).. I think that is just plain wrong. Remember when EG and TL had this thing going on about the EGMasters Cup? Where Liquid`Tyler was arguing that EG should have also explained both sides and not just EG's? In SotG I remember IdrA and InControl stating that the EG representative that posted on TL(forgot his name) was just doing his job, and that job was to just state the facts from EG's side. It wasnt his job to explain things from TL's side as well. And I completely agreed with EG during that entire time... What bothers me now is they're sorta taking the opposite stance right now with what they're saying about Milkis. Milkis' job is that of a translator, and he did that, he took an article from another site, and translated it. And now they're saying that he should have done more? | ||
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