EG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 32

On July 26 2011 12:34 shockaslim wrote:


Thanks for clearing up this whole year and a half / 9 months thing.

On July 26 2011 12:39 enzym wrote:


Of course you'd say that now. How many people do you think will take that as a genuine statement rather than a poor attempt at damage control? Sentiments like this are more meaningful if you're mindful of them from the beginning.

On July 26 2011 12:21 Blueblox wrote:
My problem with EG is not that they were in the wrong in signing PuMa everybody makes mitakes but when you started pointing fingers at other people that disagreed with you (Milkis, and some TL members). I would've been fine with EG picking up Puma if the staff of EG handled the situation better/ more responsibly. It felt like EG was just pointing fingers and not blaming themselves for their own mistakes!

"We had to work very, very hard to secure the sponsors that we have, and it's not fair to criticize us for being good at getting sponsors, especially when (unlike other teams) we pass most of our sponsorship money on to our players."

- Unlike other teams? your taking jabs at other teams unnecessary! It's like saying "We are allowed to do something that isn't right, because they did something else which isn't right."

"I truly do believe that EG's approach in this situation was appropriate, but I'm not so stubborn and belligerent as to sit here and claim that EG is 0% at fault. At the same time, though, the community's majority reaction was to place TSL as being 0% at fault, and that's not fair or accurate either. "

- This statement I agree with for the most part. But what I don't understand that if you are trying to be professional and a community reacts poorly towards your decision. Why bring up the fact that either you or TSL is wrong? The TSL coach was confused and you made it confusing for him doesn't that mean that he isn't wrong at all and that EG should've provided more information out there instead of keeping this very closed. You yourself admitted you weren't talking directly to the TSL coach you were using a 3rd and a 4th party to do so!

"Ultimately, I feel that TSL's public actions in this situation were not appropriate. I think that TSL's reaction, and their decision to go to the press so fast, was very knee-jerk, and I don't feel that it was fair to EG. I understand that it is not easy to lose a good player to another team, really, in any circumstance. But to accuse EG of underhanded business tactics is simply incorrect. PuMa was not signed to a contract with TSL; EG had still intended all along on waiting for PuMa to speak with Mr. Lee first, and then speaking with him directly afterwards; and also, at the time of Mr. Lee's public accusations, EG hadn't even signed PuMa."

-You yourself went on weapon of choice and IMMEDIATELY started pointing fingers towards people saying that it is not your fault which is understandable for a 12 year old to say but as a head of a major E-Sports team? That is not acceptable the TSL coach didn't know any better because you weren't communicating with him directly. This OFF-COURSE would look like you just snatched a player because again you said you were using 3rd parties and even a 4th party to communicate with the TSL coach.

"I want to state, again (and, I'm sorry for belaboring the point, but I'm going to do it), that EG and PuMa both felt that PuMa speaking with Mr. Lee would be the best *first* step in this process, with the next logical step being EG speaking with Mr. Lee directly. However, Mr. Lee reacted so quickly, and in such public fashion, that EG didn't even have the chance to be properly briefed on the situation (let alone speak with Mr. Lee directly) before this became a massive public issue. If Mr. Lee hadn't gone to the press so quickly, what would've happened over the next 24-48 hours is that PuMa would've arranged a meeting between EG and Mr. Lee, by which we could've worked something out to both sides' satisfaction."

- To this I have to quote you "EG first spoke with PuMa at NASL, prior to the round of 8 matches." You had about 11 days to arrange a meeting but you didn't.


All in all I think EG's management handled the sittuation wrong and then when asked how they fucked up so badly EG responded "We didn't it wasn't our fault it was (insert scapegoat here) fault!"

-1 fan gg EG

On July 26 2011 12:39 Valashu wrote:
EG gets my support, I do not see how they could have forseen this.

On July 26 2011 12:40 hiphoppopotomus wrote:
Please, can someone explain what the big deal is here? EG offered puma a better situation than his unpaid position at TSL. He wasn't contracted, and he WANTED to go to EG. Yes, TSL is angry about this, but perhaps they should have been more business savvy and contracted him. This isn't a kiddy's playground anymore and business is business. Maybe TSL got shafted in this deal. boo fucking hoo. This should be a learning opportunity for everyone. I personally respect EG because they're adding legitimacy the scene instead of just relying on an unspoken code.

P.S.
if puma is happy with the trade isn't that what really matters? Aren't we in this for the players and not for the corporations that are backing them?

On July 26 2011 12:48 mholden02 wrote:


Exactly. So TSL are having troubles, were paying Puma NOTHING, EG said we'll fly you around the world and pay you a bunch of money, and Puma said yes.

OF COURSE!

Of course the TSL coach is mad, mad at himself for being SO STUPID as to not have one of the best players in the world under contract!!! He's fuming from embarrassment and personal incompetence.

Again, well done EG. Saw an opportunity, obeyed the rules, acquired an excellent player. Much respect. If your always worried about hurting peoples feelings shit will never get done.

And all the QQing about not contacting the coach is a bit much. This is business. Grow up. The TSL coach and Im sure the rest of the Korean teams are learning a very valuable lesson.

On July 26 2011 12:45 dib wrote:
i think the poll speaks for itself.

On July 26 2011 10:59 AlissyXOXO wrote:
I have no idea what EG said about Milkis during that WoC cast or w/e, but I don't understand why so many people are defending him. He did things badly and it blew out of proportion in the western community because of the way he did it and obviously EG are gonna be pretty pissed, public image is everything when getting sponsors and they apparently didn't even know what was going on with Puma or whether they were going to talk to Coach Lee to negotiate things further.

First thing for good journalism is to get both sides of the story FIRST (seems like a recurring theme) before posting something that will reflect negatively on a gaming organization to keep relations between two organizations good, as Milkis is representing Team Liquid (he's a translator here after all). But he translated the article straight away, then demanded a response from SirScoots quite aggressively and rudely (at least in my opinion) over twitter, saying "We're waiting for your side of the story". Surely he could've waited 30 minutes more, given a rough translation to the article to SirScoots/EG and asked for his side of the story before publishing.

It was unprofessional, either way and he should be a big boy. He's representing a global gaming organization now, that is the face of SC2 for the western community. Maybe it's time some of the staff picked it up a notch and became a bit more professional