EPTEG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 31
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viOLetFanClub
Korea (South)390 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6255 Posts
However, the issues I had with EG were: - When the story broke out, SirScoots responded with a tweet about irresponsible journalism. - Incontrol's tweet about a tweet and subsequent trolling. - Those 2 actions left a poor impression. - Attacking Milkis in Weapons of Choice. Milkis did the right thing by just translating the artible. - EG could've easily averted any issue if they released a statement saying everything will be explained once things are official. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:30 Hwanni wrote: Puma was with me until Dec. 2010. He joined TSL in Jan. 2011 so not year and half. Thanks for clearing up this whole year and a half / 9 months thing. | ||
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Vexas
United States98 Posts
Gl and Hf! | ||
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DigitalD[562]
United States80 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:27 Hwanni wrote: DigitalD[562] - please you do not know what you are saying. I know what I'm saying. I'm just being hyperbolic to stress the absurdity of peoples claims | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
Either way, expect Korea to have stricter standards in which they control their players before sending them to foreign events. Stay classy. | ||
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Noro
Canada991 Posts
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Syben
United States512 Posts
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NightAngel
United States144 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:30 Hwanni wrote: Puma was with me until Dec. 2010. He joined TSL in Jan. 2011 so not year and half. So PuMa has only been with TSL for 6 months (almost 7 now)? Not even the 9 we had thought (let alone the 18 month number some people were saying)? | ||
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Pai Mei
Hong Kong16 Posts
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mholden02
387 Posts
The Foreign SC2 scene is exploding, teams like EG are willing to fly talented players like Puma around the world and play for their brand. What Korean team is doing that? Again, Puma was NOT under contract, he was getting very little from TSL, and Artosis calls him the best player in the world ATM. The naivety from both fans, and the Korean SC2 community is breathtaking. YES, Foreign teams are coming for Korean players, and Korean players are going to jump at the opportunity for more money, world travel, and celebrity status. They would be stupid not to. Bravo EG, you broke no rules, enhanced your team, and us fans are going to enjoy watching Puma in international competition. If the Koreans don't like it, thats tough. Pay your players and this won't happen. | ||
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Valashu
Netherlands561 Posts
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
Afterall EG didn't engage in the same multi-team practice as SK, but aimed to add PuMa as a fully acquired player. But EG's handling of the situation was and continues to be so poor that I had to reconsider to the point where I can no longer extend any respect towards that organization. On July 26 2011 10:55 Liudo wrote: On July 26 2011 09:04 EGalex wrote: EG first spoke with PuMa at NASL, prior to the round of 8 matches.... I want to make it very clear that we approached him... I simply let him know (via a translator) that EG was looking to support a Korean player, and asked him if he had any interest on a general level. In the weeks following NASL, PuMa and EG continued our discussion. As of last Wednesday, there was very serious mutual interest in having PuMa on EG; serious enough that he brought the issue up to Mr. Lee, the coach of TSL, as EG and PuMa had agreed would happen. In the case of TSL, the only reason we did not speak with Mr. Lee first is that it was established between EG and PuMa, in our very first conversation, that - if he eventually decided he was interested in joining EG - he felt that the best first step (read: *first* step) to take would be for him to personally bring the issue to his coach. Nice first step: weeks of secret conversations, "very serious mutual interest" established (read: a decision was reached that Puma would join EG), and not even then did EG speak with the TSL coach... but instead a 19 year old kid would be in charge of starting the negotiations with his coach? And all because of some translated agreement reached at the NASL weeks previously? How many steps is that really, before the "very first step"? 1) Fishing conversations at NASL. 2) A weird agreement made with a player not to discuss the prospects of leaving their team with their coach. 3) Weeks of secret talks. 4) Serious mutual interest established. 5) Potentially delicate negotiations between a 19 year old and a person in authority over him are entrusted at least initially to that 19 year old Helluva first step. Each one of these "steps" seems questionable. Very shady. I'd like to add a few things to the quote above. On July 26 2011 09:04 EGalex wrote: EG absolutely doesn't want to make enemies with, or offend, or disrespect, any Korean professional team. Of course you'd say that now. How many people do you think will take that as a genuine statement rather than a poor attempt at damage control? Sentiments like this are more meaningful if you're mindful of them from the beginning. I'm well aware that some people in the community view us as the big, bad mega-corporation of eSports; the guys that have no regard for other teams and other cultures. But this just isn't true. We have already built strong relationships with the management of other Korean professional teams. In fact, over the past month alone, we have been in talks with several Korean teams (read: after speaking with management first, not players first) regarding potential recruitment and collaboration. These managers know who they are, and they know that we have approached their teams honorably and respectfully. Then why didn't you take the same approach with TSL? Now, the obvious question you're all asking after reading this is, "Then, why didn't you do that with Mr. Lee?" Exactly. In the case of TSL, the only reason we did not speak with Mr. Lee first is that it was established between EG and PuMa, in our very first conversation, that - if he eventually decided he was interested in joining EG - he felt that the best first step (read: *first* step) to take would be for him to personally bring the issue to his coach. And then, after that initial conversation, EG's management could be put in touch with TSL's management. So, that's the path we took. On behalf of EG, I would like to publicly apologize to Mr. Lee for any personal disrespect this situation has caused him. I have already sent him a personal letter of apology, but I feel that a public apology is necessary as well. That's not an answer. Why did you decide to go to PuMa first, unlike with all the other teams? Apparently you do know how to get in contact with them and apparently you also know how to get into contact with Mr. Lee specifically, as evidenced by your ability to send him a letter. Why didn't you do so in the first place? In addition to these questions/inconsistencies to which you failed to provide an answer, you also failed to apologize to Milkis, who did nothing but to translate an article released by PlayXP. You want to hold him to standards of professional journalism even though he is only a translator. Yet you fail to release an official statement of your own for days. Even now this is all you come up with, a belated, poorly structured, insufficient and personal, instead of official (hosted on your own platform) statement and response. If there is an official one released by EG then I apologize, but I couldn't find it. I only found a link to this thread on twitter, but twitter can't possibly serve as a full platform and main news outlet of a professional organization. If these are the standards of professionalism you like to speak of so much then I don't know how Milkis got so much shit for what he did. Because his actions seem to have more integrity than yours by a very large margin. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
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hiphoppopotomus
United States12 Posts
P.S. if puma is happy with the trade isn't that what really matters? Aren't we in this for the players and not for the corporations that are backing them? | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: He doesn't get it? You don't even know what a contract is -.-' Puma was not under contract. Period. TSL even said that they regret not having him under contract. And EG wasn't blazing any guns. And Puma and EG were mutually interested in one another, and it's going to work out for both of them. And that's great, because EG can offer Puma things that TSL clearly couldn't. TSL - Puma 'contract' is not on writing but based on common trust for each other its common in Asian country, not so in the US so the 'he is not under contract period' is the way AG and you thinking, where its not the same for most Asia thats where the doesnt get it part come from | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
EG has some great players and I don't particularly care about their business practices (although in this case there was nothing wrong with them), as long as the players are able to play. And they are. So I'm happy. | ||
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manawah
123 Posts
EG, regardless of whatever conversations and agreements they have had with players from another organizations, need to realize that it is unprofessional to start the process of signing another player first through the communication avenue of the player. TSL/Mr.Lee made the unprofessional mistake of letting emotion dictate reason and so he immediately went to the media after speaking with Puma and said some things that really shouldn't have been said at that time since all 3 parties involved had not even spoke to negotiate any points of the agreement between them. How this should have played out in a generalized and simplified format.. 1. Recruiters find a player they have spoken with and expressed interest in joining. 2. Recruiters speak with administrator of the interested players team and they begin negotiations. 3. When all 3 parties are satisfied with the final details its made into contract. | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:40 sandyph wrote: TSL - Puma 'contract' is not on writing but based on common trust for each other its common in Asian country, not so in the US Can anyone back this up claim with any solid, actual data? Its been thrown around a lot for the past week that I'm worried people would think its true because people say it a lot, not because it is. | ||
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Bart
494 Posts
"EG first spoke with PuMa at NASL, prior to the round of 8 matches. TSL has said that we claimed that PuMa approached us first - I don't know where this is coming from, but I want to make it very clear that we approached him. When I introduced myself to him, I did not throw a contract in his face, I did not pressure him, and I did not attempt to use any aggressive recruitment methods. I simply let him know (via a translator) that EG was looking to support a Korean player, and asked him if he had any interest on a general level." However I can see that EG is trying to do right in retrospect. As such I was a -2 fan, now i'm a -1 fan of team EG. | ||
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