EPTEG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 30
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
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NightAngel
United States144 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:15 AzurewinD wrote: Still can't get past the fact that this boils down to allowing a 19 year old in a foreign country, immersed in a foreign culture, playing in what is quite possibly biggest event of his life, to negotiate a team switch with what is essentially the largest E-Sports organization in the US, all by himself. I'm happy for Puma's success and I hope he continues to do well, but I certainly hope people learn to have a little more tact in their business negotiations. That isn't what happened. You need to re-read things. It was clearly an offer to gauge interest. The only thing Mr. Lee would have negotiated is how much money he himself would get for EG obtaining PuMa... | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:19 itsben wrote: Korea's not gonna forget. All players will probably have contracts before leaving for foreign events now. Which really doesn't make sense because Puma didn't sign during NASL. But Korea is definitely going to take measures to protect their own from something like that happening again. Kespa. Skynet. Judgment day. | ||
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Blueblox
Canada30 Posts
"We had to work very, very hard to secure the sponsors that we have, and it's not fair to criticize us for being good at getting sponsors, especially when (unlike other teams) we pass most of our sponsorship money on to our players." - Unlike other teams? your taking jabs at other teams unnecessary! It's like saying "We are allowed to do something that isn't right, because they did something else which isn't right." "I truly do believe that EG's approach in this situation was appropriate, but I'm not so stubborn and belligerent as to sit here and claim that EG is 0% at fault. At the same time, though, the community's majority reaction was to place TSL as being 0% at fault, and that's not fair or accurate either. " - This statement I agree with for the most part. But what I don't understand that if you are trying to be professional and a community reacts poorly towards your decision. Why bring up the fact that either you or TSL is wrong? The TSL coach was confused and you made it confusing for him doesn't that mean that he isn't wrong at all and that EG should've provided more information out there instead of keeping this very closed. You yourself admitted you weren't talking directly to the TSL coach you were using a 3rd and a 4th party to do so! "Ultimately, I feel that TSL's public actions in this situation were not appropriate. I think that TSL's reaction, and their decision to go to the press so fast, was very knee-jerk, and I don't feel that it was fair to EG. I understand that it is not easy to lose a good player to another team, really, in any circumstance. But to accuse EG of underhanded business tactics is simply incorrect. PuMa was not signed to a contract with TSL; EG had still intended all along on waiting for PuMa to speak with Mr. Lee first, and then speaking with him directly afterwards; and also, at the time of Mr. Lee's public accusations, EG hadn't even signed PuMa." -You yourself went on weapon of choice and IMMEDIATELY started pointing fingers towards people saying that it is not your fault which is understandable for a 12 year old to say but as a head of a major E-Sports team? That is not acceptable the TSL coach didn't know any better because you weren't communicating with him directly. This OFF-COURSE would look like you just snatched a player because again you said you were using 3rd parties and even a 4th party to communicate with the TSL coach. "I want to state, again (and, I'm sorry for belaboring the point, but I'm going to do it), that EG and PuMa both felt that PuMa speaking with Mr. Lee would be the best *first* step in this process, with the next logical step being EG speaking with Mr. Lee directly. However, Mr. Lee reacted so quickly, and in such public fashion, that EG didn't even have the chance to be properly briefed on the situation (let alone speak with Mr. Lee directly) before this became a massive public issue. If Mr. Lee hadn't gone to the press so quickly, what would've happened over the next 24-48 hours is that PuMa would've arranged a meeting between EG and Mr. Lee, by which we could've worked something out to both sides' satisfaction." - To this I have to quote you "EG first spoke with PuMa at NASL, prior to the round of 8 matches." You had about 11 days to arrange a meeting but you didn't. All in all I think EG's management handled the sittuation wrong and then when asked how they fucked up so badly EG responded "We didn't it wasn't our fault it was (insert scapegoat here) fault!" -1 fan gg EG | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:05 CellTech wrote: Thanks for your side of the story. Although, I believe EG may have indirectly sparked kespa 2.0 Puma was really becoming the Ace of a team that didn't "yet" have enough sponsors to support him as well as EG. imo. This was EG looking at Puma and whispering to themselves "omg, no salary, no contract, he's awesome, let's get him". If EG *really* cared about having top tier players it wouldn't contradict itself with much of it's current roster. Puma hwaiting, and best of luck. Poll: Team EG 0 was already a fan and still am (1969) -1 fan (1818) +1 fan (802) 4589 total votes Your vote: Team EG (Vote): +1 fan Poll is stupid, because I'm not a fan of EG, and never was. However, they are 100% in the right and I have zero problem with what they did. Rights right, has nothing to do with fandom. | ||
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alks
Canada24 Posts
I feel bad for him because he took it upon himself to argue his(their?) position when he was not prepared to (nor should he have). Also Alex dug himself a hole by arguing(when there wasn't anything to argue) that puma wasn't signed. Instead he should have been focusing on the fact that they hadn't signed Puma yet and that they had not talked to coach lee since the whole fiasco started. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:23 dsousa wrote: Poll is stupid, because I'm not a fan of EG, and never was. However, they are 100% in the right and I have zero problem with what they did. Rights right, has nothing to do with fandom. Thank you. +1. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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Hwanni
Korea (South)37 Posts
- please you do not know what you are saying. | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:21 Blueblox wrote: "We had to work very, very hard to secure the sponsors that we have, and it's not fair to criticize us for being good at getting sponsors, especially when (unlike other teams) we pass most of our sponsorship money on to our players." - Unlike other teams? your taking jabs at other teams unnecessary! It's like saying "We are allowed to do something that isn't right, because they did something else which isn't right." This point was to emphasize they treat their players well and aren't corporate CEOS swimming in money bins, scrooge mcduck style. On July 26 2011 12:21 Blueblox wrote: "I truly do believe that EG's approach in this situation was appropriate, but I'm not so stubborn and belligerent as to sit here and claim that EG is 0% at fault. At the same time, though, the community's majority reaction was to place TSL as being 0% at fault, and that's not fair or accurate either. " - This statement I agree with for the most part. But what I don't understand that if you are trying to be professional and a community reacts poorly towards your decision. Why bring up the fact that either you or TSL is wrong? The TSL coach was confused and you made it confusing for him doesn't that mean that he isn't wrong at all and that EG should've provided more information out there instead of keeping this very closed. You yourself admitted you weren't talking directly to the TSL coach you were using a 3rd and a 4th party to do so! The TSL coach wasn't confused, he was emotional. EG admitted not having spoken to the coach after PuMa said he would talk to the coach first. The next thing they knew, the coach had run to the press. On July 26 2011 12:21 Blueblox wrote: "Ultimately, I feel that TSL's public actions in this situation were not appropriate. They are if they are disingenuous. On July 26 2011 12:21 Blueblox wrote: -You yourself went on weapon of choice and IMMEDIATELY started pointing fingers towards people saying that it is not your fault which is understandable for a 12 year old to say but as a head of a major E-Sports team? Actually, the first thing he did was apologize. On July 26 2011 12:21 Blueblox wrote: "I want to state, again (and, I'm sorry for belaboring the point, but I'm going to do it), that EG and PuMa both felt that PuMa speaking with Mr. Lee would be the best *first* step in this process, with the next logical step being EG speaking with Mr. Lee directly. However, Mr. Lee reacted so quickly, and in such public fashion, that EG didn't even have the chance to be properly briefed on the situation (let alone speak with Mr. Lee directly) before this became a massive public issue. If Mr. Lee hadn't gone to the press so quickly, what would've happened over the next 24-48 hours is that PuMa would've arranged a meeting between EG and Mr. Lee, by which we could've worked something out to both sides' satisfaction." - To this I have to quote you "EG first spoke with PuMa at NASL, prior to the round of 8 matches." You had about 11 days to arrange a meeting but you didn't. Actually, to say the precise number of days would be counting down from when PuMa talked to coach lee, so we'd have to calculate from when he landed in korea and got home. Giving a couple days travel time and a day or so for the news to break, we're down to about a 1 week span where EG was letting Puma do his thing. Not entirely unreasonable. On July 26 2011 12:21 Blueblox wrote: All in all I think EG's management handled the sittuation wrong and then when asked how they fucked up so badly EG responded "We didn't it wasn't our fault it was (insert scapegoat here) fault!" No doubt the milkis thing was a mistake and there were mistakes in how the situation was handled on day 1. | ||
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Sideburn
United States442 Posts
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meep
United States1699 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:04 Lokian wrote: THIS. sounds a lot like when a kid goes to college. and their parents love them so much they cant let em leave. oh man mr.lee is too caring and mother-like. but this is going to another parent. when u get betrayed, backstab the crap out of you. what lee did to PUMA, took him to PR and owned the crap out of him without sayign a word. Oh god, this is so ignorant. MR. LEE IS NOT PUMA'S FATHER. He is a coach. He's not even an employer. Puma is his own person, why is this so hard to get through people's heads? If I had a job offer that payed me twice as much should I not take it? What if I was in an internship and was offered a paid internship? I honestly can't imagine anyone who wouldn't take a better offer for their career, which is what Puma did. This is a great opportunity for Puma. Of course he would take it. He talked about it with his coach before he signed anything with EG, and EG made sure that Puma talked with Mr. Lee before signing him. What the hell is this notion that once you join a team you need to stay there for life? Situations change, people should have freedom to do what's best for them as a player. EG didn't act any differently than any team would or should. It's unfortunate that Mr. Lee manipulated the situation to create this huge drama. Does he think he owns the kid? | ||
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Hwanni
Korea (South)37 Posts
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
1) EG approached puma first to find out if he would be interested 2) he said he wanted to talk to Mr Lee before EG did 3) EG agreed to this and then things went to PR hell because Mr Lee went to press I get that and I think most the people that have followed this story get that. Speaking strictly for myself I must say the issue I had with this is that EG didn't approach the coach first period. EG approached the player to see if there was interest first. I voted 0, Im still a fan. Next time approach the coach first though or that will shift to a -1. | ||
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Reapher
Peru131 Posts
Downside? A few nerds raging about meaningless details for a few days, til they find something else to rage and make drama of. Good for PuMa and EG. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45683 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:30 Hwanni wrote: Puma was with me until Dec. 2010. He joined TSL in Jan. 2011 so not year and half. So half a year is more like it? | ||
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Perfecto
Philippines156 Posts
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
On July 26 2011 12:19 itsben wrote: Korea's not gonna forget. All players will probably have contracts before leaving for foreign events now. As they should. | ||
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