• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:24
CEST 22:24
KST 05:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down9ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League52Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins
Tourneys
ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP Do we even care about balance? BW General Discussion SCHNAIL now supports Remastered Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage [ASL22] Grand Finals
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6955 users

Season 3 Ladder Map Changes (Official) - Page 24

Forum Index > SC2 General
1106 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 56 Next
Shade_FR
Profile Joined June 2010
France378 Posts
July 26 2011 01:09 GMT
#461
On July 26 2011 09:15 ShadeOfDraG wrote:
Did anyone played on Searing Crater ?

I just played a ZvP on "close" position (vertical position), I had the feeling that it was worst than Shattered/Metalopolis close position.

This will be one of my veto for sure. Did you tried it ?

PS: I liked playing on Antiga Shipyard, about 15 lings total are able to break the third backdoor rock. Great for offensive options.

If someone has tried Searing Crater I would love to read more feedbacks !
EU Zerg player - Streaming @ http://twitch.tv/shade_cst
Diabolegal
Profile Joined June 2011
United States110 Posts
July 26 2011 01:11 GMT
#462
If close spawns are a problem, then why leave Shattered Temple (which also has close spawns)?
Diamond Terran (NA)
N1k0
Profile Joined June 2011
Uruguay1075 Posts
July 26 2011 01:14 GMT
#463
Lol blizzard, doing blizzard stuff (also known as retarded stuff)
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 01:15:02
July 26 2011 01:14 GMT
#464
Meta being removed is good. It had a good run, but it's time to move on.

They need to keep up with the current competitive pool though for the most part. Maybe 2 of their own new maps max.
#1 Kwanro Fan
Future_sc
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States783 Posts
July 26 2011 01:15 GMT
#465
I am so sad Metalopolis is getting removed... sigh...
Twitter @Future_sc Twitch.tv/Future_sc
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 26 2011 01:20 GMT
#466
The more I think about it the less excited I feel about Season 3 in general. I was hoping Blizzard would pull out something awesome that could grab my attention in a good way.
cKoL
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany29 Posts
July 26 2011 01:20 GMT
#467
Meta was pretty cool in my opinion, backwater gulch would have my choice :/ Someone know when Season 3 in EU starts?
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
July 26 2011 01:21 GMT
#468
EPIC CHANGES!

I will miss Metal, but their explanations and all that seem PERFECTLY CORRECT this time, unlike when they said slag pits was "more macro than metal" which was surely a mistake lol.

Yeah actually I was wondering, why remove Metal over Shattered? But thanks for explanation, I guess its simply because zerg does better on that than Shattered, and because Shattered is newer (as an update).

Hopefully we will see a return of Metalopolis, after all it is a very basic map concept, and so should be welcome again in the future!

Also strange they removed Gutterhulk from 2v2 pool, I thought it was pretty good. I guess not xD

Oh yeah, about Metal:

Metalopolis suffers balance issues when close spawn positions occur, but becomes too predictable when they are simply disabled. Close positions have been under a lot of discussion lately, and we’re definitely examining better options to allow for random spawn positions across the map pool without also creating too much predictability and vulnerability to proxy rushes.


The predictability part is SO true. For example, Boxer's 2 rax proxy is very strong on that map without close, because you can scout the overlord if he's close by air and then know he is cross position, but even if he is still close air and simply didn't send his overlord or you didn't see it, then it is still a strong proxy.

Anyways, hurray we still have shattered and xel'naga and shakuras.

Disappointed though, no new GSL map There are so many, why didn't they switch out Tal'darim? darn
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 26 2011 01:21 GMT
#469
On July 26 2011 09:49 noax wrote:
WHAT WHY METALOPOLIS!?!?!? that's dumbest decision ever... Metalopolis is considered the most balanced map by pro gamer as far as i know... that's stupid... anyway let see !

Close positions = instalose. I'm thankful.
:)
mark05
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada807 Posts
July 26 2011 01:22 GMT
#470
why take out metalopolis?!, dont do it until your able to give us goodmap lol at lkeast slag pits is removed
yes, I'm MarkOhFive
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong748 Posts
July 26 2011 01:22 GMT
#471
I too will miss metalopolis, but of the four maps Blizzard is taking out, THREE of them are by far the most hated/complained about maps, people should be more happy about that then losing metal imo =/ besides, they said its fully possible it will make a return, which means I can see it coming back in a season or two. if you hate backwater gulch or whatever, then just veto it!
Haegr9599
Profile Joined April 2011
United States210 Posts
July 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#472
removing metal? WHAT THE FUUUUUUU? bli... blizzard....
/facepalm.
also lawled at the reasons that they gave for removing it. theyre honestly saying that its unbalanced IF YOU REMOVE clos spawns...

althogu having played a few customs w/ the new maps, besides new antinocts TOTAL replication of LT`s high ground above the nat, theyre all pretty good maps.
cant say im sad about their other choices to remove
I choose my friends for their good looks, my acquaintances for their good characters, and my enemies for their intellects. A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
July 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#473
On July 26 2011 10:05 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 09:49 noax wrote:
WHAT WHY METALOPOLIS!?!?!? that's dumbest decision ever... Metalopolis is considered the most balanced map by pro gamer as far as i know... that's stupid... anyway let see !


You don't know much -.- 60% zerg favored. It's one of the most zerg biased maps. Because zergs make up 90% of the whiners, you don't see any whine about the map.


TLPD says otherwise. Slightly Zerg favored but nothing close to 60%, and that's primarily without close positions.

We don't know where Blizzard pulled that 60% from so we can't really take it as reliable. Metalopolis is widely considered to be one of the most balanced maps, by pros of all races and the community at large.
SocialisT
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden160 Posts
July 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#474
Thank you OP for posting this!

Damn Im nervous about playing on these new maps...
"There is nothing cooler than being proud of the things you love" - Day9
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
July 26 2011 01:24 GMT
#475
http://youtubedoubler.com/1iLr
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
July 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#476
Too bad to see Meta go, that backwater is still in. But anyway, the game needed a change, and they could always put it back if they so choose.
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
July 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#477
Great map pool really looking forward to playing these. Honestly i think if they add some GSL maps, MAYBE remove close positions, it would be at its optimal state(unless one of these new maps is just horribly imba, but theres a small chance of that)
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
July 26 2011 01:26 GMT
#478
Watching GSL I really like Bel'Shir Beach and that on the ladder would just be awesome if only because the map is literally beautiful to look at.
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
July 26 2011 01:30 GMT
#479
On July 26 2011 06:54 Zerker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 06:52 Treva wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:43 Zerker wrote:
On July 26 2011 06:41 dani` wrote:
Great changes. Many people are whining about taking out Metalopolis but come on, give Blizzard a break. They are finally removing Scrap Station AND Delta Quadrant, excellent. If statistics indeed say it's imbalanced, let's believe them on this one. Besides, it's refreshing to see new maps. I am afraid I do have to thump down at Tal'Darim because PvP is just horrible (you have to 4 gate), even though I like the other 2 matchups a lot on it. All other maps now seem to have a ramp you can block with 1 FF (unlike Scrap, which was the main reason I thumped it down in S2).


How the FUCK can you give someone a break when they remove a map for a reason, but keep another map (shattered temple) in the pool when it has the EXACT same problem. It just goes to show their fucking incompetence.


Maybe because meta has been around for a year now and still shows problems while shattered has only been on around for a few months and Blizzard wants to see if given more time the current data will change. Calm down.


That's the most stupid logic i've ever heard in my life. Shattered temple shares the same problem as metalopolis what part of this do you not understand? Look i'm trying to be nice here, but it doesn't take a genius to understand this.


It doesn't have the same problems. On temple, it's not impossible to stop early aggression as protoss because the choke is reasonably sized and forcefields can keep you alive. Playing vs allins on Metalopolis as toss is just stupid because forcefields are so little help. It is REALLY hard to beat 2 base roach+ling as toss or any type of terran 1 base allin.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 01:33:05
July 26 2011 01:32 GMT
#480
On July 26 2011 10:21 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
EPIC CHANGES!

I will miss Metal, but their explanations and all that seem PERFECTLY CORRECT this time, unlike when they said slag pits was "more macro than metal" which was surely a mistake lol.

Yeah actually I was wondering, why remove Metal over Shattered? But thanks for explanation, I guess its simply because zerg does better on that than Shattered, and because Shattered is newer (as an update).

Hopefully we will see a return of Metalopolis, after all it is a very basic map concept, and so should be welcome again in the future!

Also strange they removed Gutterhulk from 2v2 pool, I thought it was pretty good. I guess not xD

Oh yeah, about Metal:

Show nested quote +
Metalopolis suffers balance issues when close spawn positions occur, but becomes too predictable when they are simply disabled. Close positions have been under a lot of discussion lately, and we’re definitely examining better options to allow for random spawn positions across the map pool without also creating too much predictability and vulnerability to proxy rushes.


The predictability part is SO true. For example, Boxer's 2 rax proxy is very strong on that map without close, because you can scout the overlord if he's close by air and then know he is cross position, but even if he is still close air and simply didn't send his overlord or you didn't see it, then it is still a strong proxy.

Anyways, hurray we still have shattered and xel'naga and shakuras.

Disappointed though, no new GSL map There are so many, why didn't they switch out Tal'darim? darn


Well i mean you have a good point about proxies, but its not that hard to stop with a little extra scouting. Remove a map because no close positions is a bit silly when all that needs to be done to stop it is a little extra scouting
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 56 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 14h 37m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 891
UpATreeSC 79
JuggernautJason65
Codebar 9
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11787
Calm 1893
Shuttle 442
ProTech184
Mini 143
Dewaltoss 112
Soulkey 105
Dota 2
syndereN428
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss851
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu552
Other Games
Grubby4079
FrodaN1311
fl0m877
B2W.Neo531
ToD247
C9.Mang0112
Trikslyr46
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 53
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2459
• WagamamaTV485
Other Games
• imaqtpie1691
• Shiphtur736
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
14h 37m
Reynor vs Zoun
Neeb vs Rogue
OSC
1d 2h
FEL
2 days
Patches Events
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
FEL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.