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I feel like both SK and Complexity get these deals with very little investment unless they pay some good size salaries to the players.
They get some of the very best players in the world which they can claim to be their players when talking to sponsors, in return for paying travel expenses, almost too good to be true from the organizations perspective imo.
I like EG's acquisition of Puma better than these deals, even though EG could have handled the transfer smoother. These Koreans are alot better than any foreigner and they deserve a good salary because of that imo.
Judging from information about the Korean SC2 scene recently they aren't used to getting much from their teams so they can probably be talked into accepting worse deals than what they deserve.
It's good that they get to come to foreign events and hopefully they will get some better terms soon.
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Kinda funny what's going on right now. Guess that's what happens if most of the talent is in korea and most of the money is in the foreign scene.
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I'm liking this kind of partnership. 
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On July 23 2011 15:12 wats0n wrote:
The proper form of player movement is for Koreans to start signing their star players and then selling their contracts to foreign teams for buyouts and then re-investing that money into salarying their current and their new players. Thereby salaries are growing, people are being compensated for their work, and the global sport is progressing.
Deals like this don't actually help Korean sports. MVP isn't going to go out and give a bunch of kids deals in response to this. This just eases the financial burden and pressure of having to travel their current players and lets them maintain the status quo where everyone is making jack shit. It's poor business, but whatever. I'm just a lone voice crying in the wind and nobody will even understand this.
Man, that is one touching sentence. Seriously though, I don't understand how you don't see the good in this. If complexity were to simply buy DRG and genius then that would do absolutely nothing to further korean esports. Losing two of its best players could mean bad things for MVP sending them in a similar situation TSL is in now (running out of sponsors). Using this merger, complexity pays for DRG and Genius flights to foreign tournaments. If DRG or Genius were to win a tournament, then both complexity and MVP gain exposure and DRG and Genius gain profit they otherwise would have not had a chance to gain. Now MVP is letting a few coL players go to korea and practice there. We all already know the infrastructure in korea is much better then here (practice wise), so the coL roster also grows stronger. Over time coL grows, MVP grows, the SC2 scene continues to grow (hopefully) and new leagues open up, new players get hired etc. etc. Of course this is assuming everything goes perfectly.
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all wanne be liquid  But no serieusly they do ...
Grats to DRG and Genius, it's a great oppertunity for them to go out and shine.
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On July 23 2011 15:27 MrDudeMan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 15:12 wats0n wrote:
The proper form of player movement is for Koreans to start signing their star players and then selling their contracts to foreign teams for buyouts and then re-investing that money into salarying their current and their new players. Thereby salaries are growing, people are being compensated for their work, and the global sport is progressing.
Deals like this don't actually help Korean sports. MVP isn't going to go out and give a bunch of kids deals in response to this. This just eases the financial burden and pressure of having to travel their current players and lets them maintain the status quo where everyone is making jack shit. It's poor business, but whatever. I'm just a lone voice crying in the wind and nobody will even understand this. Man, that is one touching sentence. Seriously though, I don't understand how you don't see the good in this. If complexity were to simply buy DRG and genius then that would do absolutely nothing to further korean esports. Losing two of its best players could mean bad things for MVP sending them in a similar situation TSL is in now (running out of sponsors). Using this merger, complexity pays for DRG and Genius flights to foreign tournaments. If DRG or Genius were to win a tournament, then both complexity and MVP gain exposure and DRG and Genius gain profit they otherwise would have not had a chance to gain. Now MVP is letting a few coL players go to korea and practice there. We all already know the infrastructure in korea is much better then here (practice wise), so the coL roster also grows stronger. Over time coL grows, MVP grows, the SC2 scene continues to grow (hopefully) and new leagues open up, new players get hired etc. etc. Of course this is assuming everything goes perfectly.
You're simply wrong (not to sound condescending).
The deal is motivated by shortsightedness and short-term greed on the Korean team's part. They want to keep their players but they also need to be able to finance their travel. This deal solves that problem. However, if they would instead take buyouts on players now they could re-invest in more talent and pay all their players and pay all their finances and contract more players who could potentially be bought out for more money if they desired. This deal doesn't financially empower them to do any of that and only the airlines are the winners here.
Use hypothetical numbers here. Say Complexity buys DRG's contract (pending his agreement to salary) for $50k. MVP can then use that to sign dozens of talented kids to contracts. They can corner the market on star young players. They can re-invest in salarying players. Yes, in the beginning they are losing a great player. You're 100% sir. But a team is a business and you always have to be managing the future of the team versus the wealth and finances and strengthening the team. As long as you're getting proper value you can actually come out ahead. That's the key. And in the future they will have enough money to refuse offers should they choose.
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I love the concept. The more freedom for players to represent different and even multiple entities, the better, imo. Seems like a really good idea to only share a couple of players. Congrats and glhf!
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Also, I'm not so naive to think that Korean teams aren't intelligent enough to figure this out. I'm assuming that foreign teams aren't currently willing to pay what they see as fair buyouts so the Korean teams are taking the next best deal available which is these SK/Complexity t-shirt deals. I agree with the Korean teams, I'd definitely rather do these deals than take a cheap buyout. So I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they are making the proper choice.
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On July 23 2011 15:32 wats0n wrote:
You're simply wrong (not to sound condescending).
The deal is motivated by shortsightedness and short-term greed on the Korean team's part. They want to keep their players but they also need to be able to finance their travel. This deal solves that problem. However, if they would instead take buyouts on players now they could re-invest in more talent and pay all their players and pay all their finances and contract more players who could potentially be bought out for more money if they desired. This deal doesn't financially empower them to do any of that and only the airlines are the winners here.
Use hypothetical numbers here. Say Complexity buys DRG's contract (pending his agreement to salary) for $50k. MVP can then use that to sign dozens of talented kids to contracts. They can corner the market on star young players. They can re-invest in salarying players. Yes, in the beginning they are losing a great player. You're 100% sir. But a team is a business and you always have to be managing the future of the team versus the wealth and finances and strengthening the team. As long as you're getting proper value you can actually come out ahead. That's the key. And in the future they will have enough money to refuse offers should they choose.
I think you think that korean teams have a lot more cash than they actually do. It's not like DRG and Genius are veterans, they themselves are rising stars. It would be foolish of MVP to abandon two increasingly good players. Also, I sincerely doubt coL (or anyone for that matter) would buy out the contracts for something like $50k.
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"Break em on down, break em on down, break em on down, these walls between us" -Harmony Grisman
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Sounds great but i lol'd a little when they said it was the first deal of it's kind. Acutally it sounds exactly like the OGS/SK deal. Still sounds good for both teams though
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On July 23 2011 15:40 MrDudeMan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 15:32 wats0n wrote:
You're simply wrong (not to sound condescending).
The deal is motivated by shortsightedness and short-term greed on the Korean team's part. They want to keep their players but they also need to be able to finance their travel. This deal solves that problem. However, if they would instead take buyouts on players now they could re-invest in more talent and pay all their players and pay all their finances and contract more players who could potentially be bought out for more money if they desired. This deal doesn't financially empower them to do any of that and only the airlines are the winners here.
Use hypothetical numbers here. Say Complexity buys DRG's contract (pending his agreement to salary) for $50k. MVP can then use that to sign dozens of talented kids to contracts. They can corner the market on star young players. They can re-invest in salarying players. Yes, in the beginning they are losing a great player. You're 100% sir. But a team is a business and you always have to be managing the future of the team versus the wealth and finances and strengthening the team. As long as you're getting proper value you can actually come out ahead. That's the key. And in the future they will have enough money to refuse offers should they choose. I think you think that korean teams have a lot more cash than they actually do. It's not like DRG and Genius are veterans, they themselves are rising stars. It would be foolish of MVP to abandon two increasingly good players. Also, I sincerely doubt coL (or anyone for that matter) would buy out the contracts for something like $50k.
If you're going to take hypothetical numbers exaggerated for effect seriously then I'm going to ignore you 
Be mindful of what I said about receiving proper value so that you actually come out ahead in selling a contract.
On July 23 2011 15:42 SgtPepper wrote:Sounds great but i lol'd a little when they said it was the first deal of it's kind. Acutally it sounds exactly like the OGS/SK deal. Still sounds good for both teams though
It's exactly that deal
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I don't like these types of "play-for-two-teams-but-not-really" deals. It's a way for the western teams to claim victories, without actually doing any of the work, so to speak.
If you went out and bought a high level team, I'd actually like that more than simply renting Koreans for Western leagues/tournies.
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On July 23 2011 15:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I don't like these types of "play-for-two-teams-but-not-really" deals. It's a way for the western teams to claim victories, without actually doing any of the work, so to speak.
If you went out and bought a high level team, I'd actually like that more than simply renting Koreans for Western leagues/tournies.
I'm with you all the way, but I believe those deals are down the road. I think right now foreign teams can't compensate Korean teams with buyouts that are fair enough for them to part with their players. What you and I want is the #1 type of transaction but for now we will have to settle for these sort of deals which are the #2. Gotta be patient. It'll happen some day.
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On July 23 2011 15:32 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 15:27 MrDudeMan wrote:On July 23 2011 15:12 wats0n wrote:
The proper form of player movement is for Koreans to start signing their star players and then selling their contracts to foreign teams for buyouts and then re-investing that money into salarying their current and their new players. Thereby salaries are growing, people are being compensated for their work, and the global sport is progressing.
Deals like this don't actually help Korean sports. MVP isn't going to go out and give a bunch of kids deals in response to this. This just eases the financial burden and pressure of having to travel their current players and lets them maintain the status quo where everyone is making jack shit. It's poor business, but whatever. I'm just a lone voice crying in the wind and nobody will even understand this. Man, that is one touching sentence. Seriously though, I don't understand how you don't see the good in this. If complexity were to simply buy DRG and genius then that would do absolutely nothing to further korean esports. Losing two of its best players could mean bad things for MVP sending them in a similar situation TSL is in now (running out of sponsors). Using this merger, complexity pays for DRG and Genius flights to foreign tournaments. If DRG or Genius were to win a tournament, then both complexity and MVP gain exposure and DRG and Genius gain profit they otherwise would have not had a chance to gain. Now MVP is letting a few coL players go to korea and practice there. We all already know the infrastructure in korea is much better then here (practice wise), so the coL roster also grows stronger. Over time coL grows, MVP grows, the SC2 scene continues to grow (hopefully) and new leagues open up, new players get hired etc. etc. Of course this is assuming everything goes perfectly. You're simply wrong (not to sound condescending). The deal is motivated by shortsightedness and short-term greed on the Korean team's part. They want to keep their players but they also need to be able to finance their travel. This deal solves that problem. However, if they would instead take buyouts on players now they could re-invest in more talent and pay all their players and pay all their finances and contract more players who could potentially be bought out for more money if they desired. This deal doesn't financially empower them to do any of that and only the airlines are the winners here. Use hypothetical numbers here. Say Complexity buys DRG's contract (pending his agreement to salary) for $50k. MVP can then use that to sign dozens of talented kids to contracts. They can corner the market on star young players. They can re-invest in salarying players. Yes, in the beginning they are losing a great player. You're 100% sir. But a team is a business and you always have to be managing the future of the team versus the wealth and finances and strengthening the team. As long as you're getting proper value you can actually come out ahead. That's the key. And in the future they will have enough money to refuse offers should they choose.
money for Korean teams are going to be coming from sponsors, not from selling their best players off to the highest bidder
Korean teams need big name well known players to attract sponsors to their team and they need players that can consistently perform well
TSL had a nice sponsorship that allowed them to actually give some of their bigger name players actual real salaries because of FruitDealer's performance in GSL 1. however, TSL eventually lost that sponsorship deal because FD & Tester failed to put up any significant results over a certain amount of time. this is also why Puma is such a huge loss for TSL.
it's not that they didn't get any compensation from EG. it's that TSL could have possibly been able to use Puma as a name, a tool to help secure better sponsorship deals for the TSL team.
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sounds like SK oGs to me. although SK didn't get whole squad and is said to be NOTrepresented IN korea (although i don't know if they are any less represented than for coL as they'll have a SK logo there as well)
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On July 23 2011 15:46 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 15:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I don't like these types of "play-for-two-teams-but-not-really" deals. It's a way for the western teams to claim victories, without actually doing any of the work, so to speak.
If you went out and bought a high level team, I'd actually like that more than simply renting Koreans for Western leagues/tournies. I'm with you all the way, but I believe those deals are down the road. I think right now foreign teams can't compensate Korean teams with buyouts that are fair enough for them to part with their players. What you and I want is the #1 type of transaction but for now we will have to settle for these sort of deals which are the #2. Gotta be patient. It'll happen some day.
I also don't like the idea it instills in the Korean scene. They don't have to bring foreigners over or cater to them at all, instead they'll pay us money to go play in tournaments and then come back home to ignore the West.
I strive for the idea that Foreigners and Koreans will be interchangeable at one time. Some players in Korea, some elsewhere, and sometimes together. This seems to encourage further separation, moreso than bringing anybody closer together.
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congrats to both teams, curious as to whether european clans will follow up on this
+ Show Spoiler +not everyone has to do the eg way
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esports is getting insane, the dual teaming craze is getting insane...
coL just keeps adding to the roster, goodluck.
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Omfg this is crazy! So much good news! I love MVP as a team so this is great news for me, especially DRG and Genius! D: ! So many exclamation marks!
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