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Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
July 23 2011 05:29 GMT
#381
Notice how every team to pick up Korean players without FXO was in the top 4 of EG masters league.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
July 23 2011 05:30 GMT
#382
On July 23 2011 14:14 Cep wrote:
yet another big name in esports walks the easy way. borrow players, attach their logo and try to sell any accomplishments 'as their own'.
mym next?

don't get me wrong,. it's great to see skilled players in on-/offline tournaments outside of korea. but you have to expect more from such teams as col/sk.

Ok, so you expect them to develop the infrastructure for players they buy out instantly? Please tell me what is Puma's infrastructure for practice atm? Why in the hell would you not use the infrastructure that is already in place?
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 05:37:57
July 23 2011 05:36 GMT
#383
Great news for complexity and MVP. Unlike the SK-OGS deal, which was the first of this kind, here complexit actually has something to gain in having their players somewhere to live should they ever go to korea or just bootcamp for the sake of training. Having access to a great protoss player like Genius and one of if not the best zerg in the world is nothing to scoff at. Seeing how Complexity has their own players they actually have alot more to gain form this kind of deal than SK in its current form.

Great work and cant wait to see more of MVP fighting overseas, congrats to both parties!
Do you really want chat rooms?
Barett
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada454 Posts
July 23 2011 05:41 GMT
#384
My 2 favorite teams just partnered. I think my head just exploded.
On a serious not though, This is huge news. I wonder who will go to Korea? I would love to see Stalife or FireZerg head over.

Grats guys.
Gym, Video Games, Laundry.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 23 2011 05:41 GMT
#385
Has Catz given an opinion on this? Him being on Complexity and being the most vocal about keeping Koreans out of the foreign scene is absolutely hilarious to me. I really, really, really want to hear what he has to say about this.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
July 23 2011 05:46 GMT
#386
So much news going on this week. going insane!
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Johndarke
Profile Joined June 2011
United States81 Posts
July 23 2011 05:47 GMT
#387
On July 23 2011 14:41 Mohdoo wrote:
Has Catz given an opinion on this? Him being on Complexity and being the most vocal about keeping Koreans out of the foreign scene is absolutely hilarious to me. I really, really, really want to hear what he has to say about this.


I agree. I, too, wonder what Catz' take on this is.
Leenock, TheSTC, MC, MVP, Boxer HWAITING!!!!!!!
catburst
Profile Joined February 2011
United States57 Posts
July 23 2011 05:50 GMT
#388
wow this insanely great news :D
protoss <3
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
July 23 2011 05:51 GMT
#389
This is just like the SK deal. This is a joke deal. They're not actually Complexity players. This doesn't do anything for spreading the wealth among the talent pool.

If you sign them then MVP has to sign new players. Or you yourself sign new players. This joint deal fluff does nothing. Sad that this will be met with mindless praise while Puma's deal gets trashed.
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
July 23 2011 05:52 GMT
#390
lol catz might leave complexity now
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
July 23 2011 05:54 GMT
#391
On July 23 2011 14:20 emc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 10:53 1ManArmy wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:48 jlake02 wrote:
On July 23 2011 10:45 emc wrote:
The arrangement is believed to be a first of its kind and will witness joint promotions and cooperation on a global level.


definitely not the first of it's kind, they need to learn some sc2 history. Fou and FXO merger? and that ogs merger for when ogs MC and nada go abroad. Anyways, I'm excited that DRG got picked up by coL, which means we will see him a lot more.



It's very similar to other deals, for sure. However, the way it's structured is pretty unique. I *believe* it's the first of its kind but I could be wrong. Props and respect to those who have already done similar things.


Isn't this exactly the same as the SK-OGS deal?

MC and Nada stay OGS in Korea, SK pays for their flights accomodation etc to international tournements where they will be wearing a SK outfit.


exactly what I'm saying. very cool though :D


No, it's not exactly the same. First of all, SK no longer has a SC2 team at all to speak of. They've just agreed to pay for NaDa and MC to attend foreign tournaments under the SK name as well as oGs. The FXO-fOu merger is just that, a merger. FXO is absorbing fOu under its umbrella, basically, while letting the old fOu manage its gaming affairs under its coach and leadership. Everyone in FXO and fOu will play under the FXO name as it is the parent organization.

In this case, coL is entering into a partnership with MVP to sponsor DRG and Genius in foreign tournaments representing coL, like the SK-oGs deal, but also to let coL players go to Korea to train, practice, and compete under the MVP banner. This second part is sort of what TL has with oGs, but the coL-MVP deal is much stronger. It is not a merger like FXO-fOu as MVP will still be independently operated and managed. No other arrangement is exactly like the coL-MVP deal to date.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 23 2011 05:56 GMT
#392
On July 23 2011 14:51 wats0n wrote:
This is just like the SK deal. This is a joke deal. They're not actually Complexity players. This doesn't do anything for spreading the wealth among the talent pool.

If you sign them then MVP has to sign new players. Or you yourself sign new players. This joint deal fluff does nothing. Sad that this will be met with mindless praise while Puma's deal gets trashed.


Complexity helps to pay for traveling to foreign tournaments. In repayment, they get to use the players for exposure and prestige and whatnot, which is the entire reason any team ever recruits a player. Additionally, since it is clear that Korean training is better than any other, Complexity is allowed to send their players to the MVP house to train with the Koreans there. This is an extremely mutually beneficial agreement which does a lot to grow both teams. Can you clarify how this "fluff does nothing"? I get the feeling you didn't read the OP...
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
July 23 2011 06:00 GMT
#393
On July 23 2011 14:56 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 14:51 wats0n wrote:
This is just like the SK deal. This is a joke deal. They're not actually Complexity players. This doesn't do anything for spreading the wealth among the talent pool.

If you sign them then MVP has to sign new players. Or you yourself sign new players. This joint deal fluff does nothing. Sad that this will be met with mindless praise while Puma's deal gets trashed.


Complexity helps to pay for traveling to foreign tournaments. In repayment, they get to use the players for exposure and prestige and whatnot, which is the entire reason any team ever recruits a player. Additionally, since it is clear that Korean training is better than any other, Complexity is allowed to send their players to the MVP house to train with the Koreans there. This is an extremely mutually beneficial agreement which does a lot to grow both teams. Can you clarify how this "fluff does nothing"? I get the feeling you didn't read the OP...


They're paying to travel players just so that they can wear their t-shirt. They're still MVP team and not complexity. They could instead sign players and travel them and thereby grow the salaried player base. This is just paying to sponsor players. There is in fact a difference.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
July 23 2011 06:03 GMT
#394
Good move by Complexity, more in-depth and more "investment based" than the SK deal.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
July 23 2011 06:03 GMT
#395
This is the sort of deal I can support, one that doesn't rip down korean teams, yet benefits everyone.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
July 23 2011 06:05 GMT
#396
Who cares what CatZ thinks. He is barely a pro. He doesn't want to compete with the best players and he thinks that koreans are ruining western esports. Who cares what he thinks.
Cep
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 06:12:01
July 23 2011 06:11 GMT
#397
On July 23 2011 14:30 Duravi wrote:
Ok, so you expect them to develop the infrastructure for players they buy out instantly? Please tell me what is Puma's infrastructure for practice atm? Why in the hell would you not use the infrastructure that is already in place?


you don't get the point. they bought no player, they borrowed them. the players still train in korea with their team and just represent col/sk in foreign tournaments.
to me that's just a half-hearted attempt to get a foot in the sc2 pro scene.

you really think the likes of col/sk lack of infrastructure to give their players an esports worthy environment?

and puma switched from tsl to eg. that's not comparable.
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
July 23 2011 06:12 GMT
#398
The proper form of player movement is for Koreans to start signing their star players and then selling their contracts to foreign teams for buyouts and then re-investing that money into salarying their current and their new players. Thereby salaries are growing, people are being compensated for their work, and the global sport is progressing.

Deals like this don't actually help Korean sports. MVP isn't going to go out and give a bunch of kids deals in response to this. This just eases the financial burden and pressure of having to travel their current players and lets them maintain the status quo where everyone is making jack shit. It's poor business, but whatever. I'm just a lone voice crying in the wind and nobody will even understand this.
clayn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany444 Posts
July 23 2011 06:17 GMT
#399
damn, complexity is t aking over EVERYTHING! o.ô
Frogsox
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia274 Posts
July 23 2011 06:18 GMT
#400
Congratulations to both the teams. It's becoming more common to see Koreans either joining foreign teams or entering into partnerships to assist them both financially and logistically to play outside of Korea. I think it's telling of two things.

1. That Korean SC2 teams are realising how lucarative and important the international scene is becoming to their players and that they want to be a part of it. It's a growing trend towards a truly international SC2 stage.

2. SC2 in Korea isn't as popular as it is outside of the country and the lack of funding to a lot of teams is beginning to show. We've seen (especially in the last couple of weeks) a lot of Korean teams making very drastic moves.
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