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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
 .I dont see EG doing anything wrong, as the dude above me said, if TSL had a decent contract with Puma, and he was experiencing what he wanted, he wouldnt have left. EG made an offer, Puma accepted, what does it matter what order things were done in, TSL doesnt "Own" Puma no matter what it says in a contract, if they refused to release him puma would have lived out his contract and left anyways, thats all they hold over him. | ||
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Tsuki.eu
Portugal1049 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
^^As a response to the people saying a no-trade clause would help. | ||
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Delinius
United States324 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:19 poorbeggarman wrote: Have there been such discussions between teams in the past? I am unfamiliar with BW history. What would've happened if EG DID approach TSL before talking to Puma anyway If EG asked and TSL didn't like it, Puma would've taken the deal anyways. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:17 echO [W] wrote: I think the key element of sports that is alike in both professional sports today, and professional e-sports today, is the team element and the amount of time these players spend with each other. In Korea especially, and I think given how much time they spend together, they are very much like family, and to them I can see how it feels like they were walked out on by a family member/brother, rather than say an employee at a corporation. Fair enough, and I think I pretty much agree with this. However, I liken this situation to more of something like a young, talented kid at Google accepts a new job at Apple because they offered him a better salary. Sure the guy could really like all his friends/coworkers at his old job but if he has the opportunity to make significantly more money elsewhere, he will go and, most importantly, he CAN go. Apple wouldn't have to call up Google and make sure it's ok first, they can go to the employee and give him an offer and try to recruit him. I'm sure it hurts his friends/teammates/coaches but rarely will every decision you make make everyone happy. Live on Three last night said it well - losing a player always hurts no matter how it happens. I hope Puma hasn't burned any bridges and I hope after the sting goes away TSL realizes this was a business a decision and nothing personal against TSL. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:24 Proko wrote: That's why you make non-disclosure and non-complete clauses in contracts. It's really pretty simple. And you know for certain that TSL did not have a non-complete contract with Puma right? And it's not just because it takes a huge amount of money to prove damages and to sue someone over a contract in court, right? | ||
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mustache
Switzerland309 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:25 Capped wrote: EG on the rise, now all they have to do is get rid of Idra, and i'll actually like them, as opposed to certain EG players .I dont see EG doing anything wrong, as the dude above me said, if TSL had a decent contract with Puma, and he was experiencing what he wanted, he wouldnt have left. EG made an offer, Puma accepted, what does it matter what order things were done in, TSL doesnt "Own" Puma no matter what it says in a contract, if they refused to release him puma would have lived out his contract and left anyways, thats all they hold over him. I beleive the problem is that EG talked directly to the player instead of doing the correct thing and talking to the team about aquiring one of their players. | ||
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CptnObvious
United States54 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:19 denzelz wrote: Try getting hired, and trained by one company, and then leaving in a month for another company. See how that does for your career. You have no idea what professional ethics are for jobs in the U.S. Most jobs are not like McDonalds and companies invest millions of dollars to train new employees. Financial analysts are a perfect example of this. You are entrusted with a lot of company secrets and if you leave for a competing company for higher salary (aka poaching), it is HUGELY looked down upon. I am an IT Analyst(what my employer calls it A.K.A software developer) and its a market with alot of contracts, headhunters and signing bonuses. Most of the time you would sign a contract that says if you leave in x amount of time you have to pay back the benefits that you received. This is not necessarily "looked down upon". You may alienate an employer but most people don't expect to go back to the job they are leaving. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:27 TedJustice wrote: Who's he going to practice with if he's staying in Korea? Everyone. Watch korean pro gamer streams. They have an stupid amount of practice partners that aren't on their team. | ||
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jiveturkey
United States18 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:12 Copenap wrote: 1. You can do a lot of stuff from a business point of view that is not ethical at all. 2. You are considered an adult by law, that again doesn't make you anything close. You can make these decisions and eventually have to but you shouldn't do that on your own as you don't know shit about life at the age of 19. But I guess a 19yr old never regreted getting married early, picking the wrong direction in his professional life or whatever... Yeah right. When you get older you will eventually realise that you didn't have a clue back then. Money can do weird things if you lack the experience of life. 1. I am aware of that, but I don not believe that it is unethical. I said it is nto EG's responsibility to talk to a team that they have no interest in. It is Puma's moral obligation to do so. 2. I didn't say that it is the law which makes you a capable adult. Fortunately, most law systems DO recognize that people 18 years of age are capable to do things like join the military. I didn't say people don't make mistakes. People in their 20s, 30s, 40s, etc always make mistakes they regret. That does not imply that they are not capable of making right decisions at those points in their lives though. | ||
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cubicle47b
United States14 Posts
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:28 denzelz wrote: And you know for certain that TSL did not have a non-complete contract with Puma right? And it's not just because it takes a huge amount of money to prove damages and to sue someone over a contract in court, right? I was actually just referencing your point about US corporate culture. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:29 arbitrageur wrote: Everyone. Watch korean pro gamer streams. They have an stupid amount of practice partners that aren't on their team. Still, he's basically a one-man team out there now. I hope EG gets some more koreans, or maybe sends some of their players to korea, since it's obviously better to practice in a team environment. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
The TSL coach is mad, Milkis is mad, the Korean fans are mad. It doesnt matter if WE think it is right or wrong. We have to respect Korean ethics/rules as well. And from their view it was obviously the wrong way to do this deal. | ||
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Techno
1900 Posts
Part of me thinks this won't last. + Show Spoiler + Most of the warnings on page 1 seemed unwarranted. TL is srs biznez. | ||
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zinzio
24 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:31 00Visor wrote: I don't get how you can still be arguing. The TSL coach is mad, Milkis is mad, the Korean fans are mad. It doesnt matter if WE think it is right or wrong. We have to respect Korean ethics/rules as well. And from their view it was obviously the wrong way to do this deal. I think this is the point many people are missing... | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
I am happy that Puma is "expanding" but unhappy and kind of mad that EG never approached TSL and ask them their opinion on the matter. | ||
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