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On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:17 stOpSKY wrote:
Defiantly over reacting. I mean how do you even approach the police on a matter such as this?
Do you just go up to them and state that someone on the internet was mean to you and made fun of you because you are in gold league on SC2? I think people need to develop thicker skin because people seem to take things way to seriously and whine an awful lot these days.
The only thing I could deem worthy of reporting to the police that happens online is death threats. That is probably about the only thing I would report to the police. You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly. What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up. I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around?
I wouldn't do such a thing in the first place. I never was for Eve joining SlayerS. I am merely supporting Jessica for her actions against the trolls who did the cyber bullying done to Eve.
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On July 20 2011 05:54 Seldszar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:51 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 05:44 Dfgj wrote:On July 20 2011 05:38 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 mmdmmd wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:22 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 04:59 doihy wrote:
To all the people saying this is an overreaction: Would you just simply sit there if this happened to you, your daughter, or friend? Yea, kind of different when the gun is pointed at you. Is it really OK to appeal to authorities when someone criticizes you? If there's an actual case for harassment, terroristic threats, etc., then of course that's another situation. Tweeting that Slayers_Jessica might be a bit silly trotting out this girl in front of the cameras just because she's pretty and plays SC2 is a legitimate criticism. As for 4-chan style things, well, maybe Jessica can build a case in Korea. For me, though, the girl is 22 years old or whatever and is now in the public's eye (thanks to Jessica). That makes her fair game parody, criticism, satire, whatever. It just seems like to me that Jessica has not had any experience with the internet in this respect. We all know that ignoring the trolls is the right thing to do (because there will be trolls no matter what). Until it becomes real harassment or turns into a life threatening situation, there's just no point in making this big of an issue about it. What about photoshopping your daughter or friend into porn pictures? like stated in the OP What if your daughter or your friend was 22 years old and was a public figure? Are you going to sue or rage against every single instance of a pornographic photoshop? I don't think any celebrities would get anything else done if they did that in real life. If I am famous and I have a daughter(and she is also in the spotlight like Eve), I would definitely expect her to be photoshop by some kid and that kid is probably jacking off to her picture every night. But the less obvious but important thing is, I and a lot of people on TL understand that you have to expect that from the internet if you are famous. Jessica doesn't. And ironically, her job requires her to understand these "internet culture" if you are a father that doesnt protect your child from internet difamation then im sorry for your child. Eve isn't a child. yes but she is a very young individual that gets her face edited in porn vids only because she sat with her team. thats the only crime she commited. sitting among the slayers team. Well ... she is famous, she is with Slayers. The 2 times winner of GSTL without having any individual 1v1 champion. Being famous is enough on the Internet to be photoshopped. I mean, it shouldnt happen, but it is like that. she is not famous. it was the first time she was on internet tv. and the fact that many celebrities dont pursue any criminal or civil legal consequences against photoshoppres (partly because many of them are just fans that are trying to be funny and not people that try to defame someone by posting faces into pornographic material) does not mean that there is a general waiver of rights for all people around the world against such actions.
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
On July 20 2011 05:42 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:17 stOpSKY wrote:
Defiantly over reacting. I mean how do you even approach the police on a matter such as this?
Do you just go up to them and state that someone on the internet was mean to you and made fun of you because you are in gold league on SC2? I think people need to develop thicker skin because people seem to take things way to seriously and whine an awful lot these days.
The only thing I could deem worthy of reporting to the police that happens online is death threats. That is probably about the only thing I would report to the police. You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? I don't think in the USA there is anything illegal about photoshopping someone "famous" into a pornographic picture.
Careful. Do you own, or have a valid license, to use the copyrighted photograph of a famous person? How about the pornographic picture? If not, then there's at least one person out there who can sue you (btw, good luck with your fair use defense on that one...) -- and possibly more.
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On July 20 2011 05:42 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:38 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 mmdmmd wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:22 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 04:59 doihy wrote:
To all the people saying this is an overreaction: Would you just simply sit there if this happened to you, your daughter, or friend? Yea, kind of different when the gun is pointed at you. Is it really OK to appeal to authorities when someone criticizes you? If there's an actual case for harassment, terroristic threats, etc., then of course that's another situation. Tweeting that Slayers_Jessica might be a bit silly trotting out this girl in front of the cameras just because she's pretty and plays SC2 is a legitimate criticism. As for 4-chan style things, well, maybe Jessica can build a case in Korea. For me, though, the girl is 22 years old or whatever and is now in the public's eye (thanks to Jessica). That makes her fair game parody, criticism, satire, whatever. It just seems like to me that Jessica has not had any experience with the internet in this respect. We all know that ignoring the trolls is the right thing to do (because there will be trolls no matter what). Until it becomes real harassment or turns into a life threatening situation, there's just no point in making this big of an issue about it. What about photoshopping your daughter or friend into porn pictures? like stated in the OP What if your daughter or your friend was 22 years old and was a public figure? Are you going to sue or rage against every single instance of a pornographic photoshop? I don't think any celebrities would get anything else done if they did that in real life. If I am famous and I have a daughter(and she is also in the spotlight like Eve), I would definitely expect her to be photoshop by some kid and that kid is probably jacking off to her picture every night. But the less obvious but important thing is, I and a lot of people on TL understand that you have to expect that from the internet if you are famous. Jessica doesn't. And ironically, her job requires her to understand these "internet culture" if you are a father that doesnt protect your child from internet difamation then im sorry for your child. You want to protect your 22 years old adult daughter(which you put in the spotlight in the first place) from the internet? Don't you feel that's too unrealistic? And why you put her onto the internet in the first place if you want to protect her? Hypocrisy?
i dont see any hypocrisy in pursuing or promoting a career as a pro gamer but at the same time being strict against breaches of law
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On July 20 2011 05:59 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:17 stOpSKY wrote:
Defiantly over reacting. I mean how do you even approach the police on a matter such as this?
Do you just go up to them and state that someone on the internet was mean to you and made fun of you because you are in gold league on SC2? I think people need to develop thicker skin because people seem to take things way to seriously and whine an awful lot these days.
The only thing I could deem worthy of reporting to the police that happens online is death threats. That is probably about the only thing I would report to the police. You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly. What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up. I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around? I wouldn't do such a thing in the first place. I never was for Eve joining SlayerS. I am merely supporting Jessica for her actions against the trolls who did the cyber bullying done to Eve.
This isn't cyberbullying. We've gone through this in this thread, too.
Tell me, doesn't going to the police just escalate the problem?
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the real question to me is: in south korea, is it impractical to punish people who to go the extremes of publicly defaming others over the internet? it is in the US. we have to adopt a "get tough lol" policy here, because it's about the only thing we can do as a defense, imo at least.
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On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:17 stOpSKY wrote:
Defiantly over reacting. I mean how do you even approach the police on a matter such as this?
Do you just go up to them and state that someone on the internet was mean to you and made fun of you because you are in gold league on SC2? I think people need to develop thicker skin because people seem to take things way to seriously and whine an awful lot these days.
The only thing I could deem worthy of reporting to the police that happens online is death threats. That is probably about the only thing I would report to the police. You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly. What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up. I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around? do you know what the great thing about defamy is ? as long as you dont feel offended its no breech of law. if you do feel offended however it is a criminal act. thats why its required by law that the person getting defamed by another person to take action and demand a criminal procedure. thats basically what slayers eve and kimgayeon did. they just pursued their own rights that were given to them by the korean constitution and by the korena criminal code.
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For some reason society thinks its okay to say / harass / make abusive comments about people online. Korea is a very wired country where the internet is taken very seriously (huge fanclubs/antifan clubs). There have been cases of acid being thrown at people or poison etc due to hate groups. It's a very different beast than American internet communities which are spread out, Korea is a very dense country and the internet is taken more seriously. I think its admirable she is protecting Eve, even if it brings more attention, it's good that she is charging people for any abusive things they do online.
People are human and some people can take the internet as a joke, but honestly most don't. It's also hard to understand until you have your photograph and insults spread everywhere online.
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On July 20 2011 06:04 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:59 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:
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You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly. What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up. I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around? I wouldn't do such a thing in the first place. I never was for Eve joining SlayerS. I am merely supporting Jessica for her actions against the trolls who did the cyber bullying done to Eve. This isn't cyberbullying. We've gone through this in this thread, too. Tell me, doesn't going to the police just escalate the problem? well the kids that commented that shit will get summoned by the police and in the worst case the DA will prosecute them in front of the judge
i doubt they will dare to post anything ever again
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Yeah Korean Internet is much more closely tied to the person, that's why they use the term netizen. IIRC it's almost always tied to a Korean Social Security Number etc.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On July 20 2011 05:25 jinorazi wrote:
there's a huge, huuuuuuuuge difference between american netizen and korean netizen.
koreans are literally connected through the internet, phads and trends spread like wide fire. if one person does something, everyone else starts doing it. rumors can replace truths.
you can search "tablo vs whatbecomes"
korean netizen will chew people up and spit them out if they find 1 flaw in a celeb, there's pro trolls out there that can ruin lifes.
It's not even rumors, Slayers_Jessica publicly announced that one of the reasons Eve was recruited was because of her looks. She brought it on herself.
If Nazgul said he recruited Tyler for his looks, I bet some people would make funny images of Tyler doing sexy poses lol. So basically, Jessica brought it on herself by stating the reasons of Eve being picked up and making it such a big deal and so public. I don't remember when they announced any slayers member being picked up to the public; especially a person with no accomplishments.
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If I recall correctly, there was a case of a celebrity commiting suicide because of people cyberbullying her 'facebook/myspace.' (not sure if there were more but there has been one that I clearly remember. It was quite a while ago.)
She(I mean the celebrity im refering to) may have dealt with it poorly, but it was the cyberbullying that went too far.
But Im thinking because of this prescedence, the issue is so sensitive in korea that slayers_jessica is trying to make a stop to it before it gets out of hand (you may argue that she is escalating the situation unnecessarily though.But yes, internet people get out of hand reallllly fast :/ )
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Things work different in Korea so this looks overreacting to us and who could effin flame girl progamer??? I hope this all gets resolved and the trolls return to their cave.
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On July 20 2011 06:05 taintmachine wrote:
the real question to me is: in south korea, is it impractical to punish people who to go the extremes of publicly defaming others over the internet? it is in the US. we have to adopt a "get tough lol" policy here, because it's about the only thing we can do as a defense, imo at least.
its a very shrewd view of the world to look every legal system through the looking glass of the american legal system.
the korean legal system is based on the german legal system of the 19th century which has not adopted the notion of freedom of speech. therefore defamy is a very real crime and still is while in america freedom of speech has become one of the main civil rights and therefore has been adopted into the criminal codes as well. defamy is only then punishable in the us if you do false statements knowingly. it is a very unique case in this world.
even in the uk or in the rest of europe defamy is punished much stricter.
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On July 20 2011 06:06 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:17 stOpSKY wrote:
Defiantly over reacting. I mean how do you even approach the police on a matter such as this?
Do you just go up to them and state that someone on the internet was mean to you and made fun of you because you are in gold league on SC2? I think people need to develop thicker skin because people seem to take things way to seriously and whine an awful lot these days.
The only thing I could deem worthy of reporting to the police that happens online is death threats. That is probably about the only thing I would report to the police. You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly. What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up. I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around? do you know what the great thing about defamy is ? as long as you dont feel offended its no breech of law. if you do feel offended however it is a criminal act. thats why its required by law that the person getting defamed by another person to take action and demand a criminal procedure. thats basically what slayers eve and kimgayeon did. they just pursued their own rights that were given to them by the korean constitution and by the korena criminal code.
Getting offended is not illegal, nor it's protected by any laws. This isn't defamation, this is disregard-able at worst and funny at best. They most certainly aren't required by law to take action in this case.
As for Korean libel laws and Korean internet freedom, we've raised concerns over that previously in this thread. Not everything written in law is logical or sensible.
On July 20 2011 06:07 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:04 Xiphiass wrote:On July 20 2011 05:59 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:
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And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly. What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up. I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around? I wouldn't do such a thing in the first place. I never was for Eve joining SlayerS. I am merely supporting Jessica for her actions against the trolls who did the cyber bullying done to Eve. This isn't cyberbullying. We've gone through this in this thread, too. Tell me, doesn't going to the police just escalate the problem? well the kids that commented that shit will get summoned by the police and in the worst case the DA will prosecute them in front of the judge i doubt they will dare to post anything ever again
We're talking about Koreans, by the way.
And no, twenty more will rise for every one prosecuted for this. This is just snowballing the problem into a bigger problem.
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On July 20 2011 06:09 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:25 jinorazi wrote:
there's a huge, huuuuuuuuge difference between american netizen and korean netizen.
koreans are literally connected through the internet, phads and trends spread like wide fire. if one person does something, everyone else starts doing it. rumors can replace truths.
you can search "tablo vs whatbecomes"
korean netizen will chew people up and spit them out if they find 1 flaw in a celeb, there's pro trolls out there that can ruin lifes. It's not even rumors, Slayers_Jessica publicly announced that one of the reasons Eve was recruited was because of her looks. She brought it on herself. If Nazgul said he recruited Tyler for his looks, I bet some people would make funny images of Tyler doing sexy poses lol. So basically, Jessica brought it on herself by stating the reasons of Eve being picked up and making it such a big deal and so public. I don't remember when they announced any slayers member being picked up to the public; especially a person with no accomplishments.
there are still no grounds for personal insults. the criticism of the decision of kim gayeon might be justified. but there are limits (at least in legal systems outside of the US) of how you can express those.
if your way of criticism is to post photoshops with slayers_eve on pornographic material i doubt that it fits into the category of justified criticism and is more a criminal defamation per se.
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On July 20 2011 06:15 Xiphiass wrote:
We're talking about Koreans, by the way.
And no, twenty more will rise for every one prosecuted for this. This is just snowballing the problem into a bigger problem.
i was talking about korea too. if id say 경찰의 조사에 의거하여 검사가 공소하여 재판이 열릴것 you wouldnt have understood it right ?
then there will be more work for the DA and the police to do. case solved.
On July 20 2011 06:15 Xiphiass wrote:
Getting offended is not illegal, nor it's protected by any laws.
Getting offended is not illegal. But Offending someone in a defaming way is according to paragraph 307 as well as paragraph 308 of the korean criminal code
On July 20 2011 06:15 Xiphiass wrote:
This isn't defamation, this is disregard-able at worst and funny at best. They most certainly aren't required by law to take action in this case.
As for Korean libel laws and Korean internet freedom, we've raised concerns over that previously in this thread. Not everything written in law is logical or sensible.
it does not concern the DA or me or anyone aside of the public of korea and the politicians if the korean criminal code is sensible or not
what concerns the DA is that the laws are in effect. and that they are so they are to be obeyed as long as they are not against the constitution (which i doubt)
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On July 20 2011 06:15 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:05 taintmachine wrote:
the real question to me is: in south korea, is it impractical to punish people who to go the extremes of publicly defaming others over the internet? it is in the US. we have to adopt a "get tough lol" policy here, because it's about the only thing we can do as a defense, imo at least. its a very shrewd view of the world to look every legal system through the looking glass of the american legal system. the korean legal system is based on the german legal system of the 19th century which has not adopted the notion of freedom of speech. therefore defamy is a very real crime and still is while in america freedom of speech has become one of the main civil rights and therefore has been adopted into the criminal codes as well. defamy is only then punishable in the us if you do false statements knowingly. it is a very unique case in this world. even in the uk or in the rest of europe defamy is punished much stricter.
i was asking from the perspective of an american and relating my experience if that was meant to be a burn on me.
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On July 20 2011 05:52 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:46 gravethrasher wrote:
Its so frightning how little life is worth over there, when someone could risk getting sent to jail over some random celebrity trolling. I dont know how the jails are in south korea, but i bet it wont be nice, and I dont know how easy it is to recuperate and slip back into society again after, but im guessing getting a job wont be easy. Reminds me of somekind of medevil village where people get their head chopped off after talking crap about the king in a tavern. 16 years old is abit young to be in the spotlight, but u cant cater the world after your ego, and if u really cant take it, then maybe u shouldnt join the team of the most famous celebrity in the country.
Its self rightousness and honor gone wild, and a desperate lack of compassion, and over seriousness. When ur honor is worth more then the life of another, what kind of honor is that? Honor of those you care about vs the life of those seek to hurt them, Seems like a easy choice for me
Do u respect other people having the same point of view? so if ur kids insult my kids, would u respect my decision to take their lives, or is it just u that should have this privilege?
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