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Sorry guys put I had to create an account to write this. To make this clear Jessica had every right to file a legal suit against the people who decided it would be hilarious to photoshop faces onto porn stars. She even threatened that she sould take screenshots when she got back but people didn't listen. So they deserve their due.
However the over reaction comes from the fact that yes people who merely critisized the fact that gold player is not suitable for the team was also included like Haeun_Cielu OP mentioned. But OP didn't quite go over Haeun_Cielu situation well. Basically Haeun talked about how it was disappointing and lately he's disliking slayers. So here here he comments on her retweet oh his statement saying how he was disappointed in her that she would resort to slandering him. After he tweets to her more she blocks him from her. He has visited the police station and tweeted that it's ridiculous that a fan who critisizes his team can be accused of slander.
Furthermore seen from this tweet she implies that it not a good idea to spread this link around. "Don't do this thoughtlessly and delete the retweets so that you don't get surprised by anything" This is quite low and quite disappointing to hear her tweet such threats.
Edit* also the girl she had a keyboard battle about her(jessica)'s english deleted her twitter account due to the hate she was recieving from Jessica's fans.
Shame really I really liked while watching the docs but the way she handles twitter and stuff is quite wrong. Sorry about this wall of text, I just want to help the OP and other out here.
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On July 20 2011 06:20 gravethrasher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:52 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:46 gravethrasher wrote:
Its so frightning how little life is worth over there, when someone could risk getting sent to jail over some random celebrity trolling. I dont know how the jails are in south korea, but i bet it wont be nice, and I dont know how easy it is to recuperate and slip back into society again after, but im guessing getting a job wont be easy. Reminds me of somekind of medevil village where people get their head chopped off after talking crap about the king in a tavern. 16 years old is abit young to be in the spotlight, but u cant cater the world after your ego, and if u really cant take it, then maybe u shouldnt join the team of the most famous celebrity in the country.
Its self rightousness and honor gone wild, and a desperate lack of compassion, and over seriousness. When ur honor is worth more then the life of another, what kind of honor is that? Honor of those you care about vs the life of those seek to hurt them, Seems like a easy choice for me Do u respect other people having the same point of view? so if ur kids insult my kids, would u respect my decision to take their lives, or is it just u that should have this privilege?
If my kids start posting photo shopped porn of your kids I'll take the blame as my bad parenting and put them down myself
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On July 20 2011 06:20 taintmachine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:15 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 06:05 taintmachine wrote:
the real question to me is: in south korea, is it impractical to punish people who to go the extremes of publicly defaming others over the internet? it is in the US. we have to adopt a "get tough lol" policy here, because it's about the only thing we can do as a defense, imo at least. its a very shrewd view of the world to look every legal system through the looking glass of the american legal system. the korean legal system is based on the german legal system of the 19th century which has not adopted the notion of freedom of speech. therefore defamy is a very real crime and still is while in america freedom of speech has become one of the main civil rights and therefore has been adopted into the criminal codes as well. defamy is only then punishable in the us if you do false statements knowingly. it is a very unique case in this world. even in the uk or in the rest of europe defamy is punished much stricter. i was asking from the perspective of an american and relating my experience if that was meant to be a burn on me.
i dont want to burn anyone.
i just want to point out that the freedom of speech as a philosophy is not pursued as strongly in other nations as it is in USA.
it is a part of the guaranteed civil rights in korea as well (even if its not explicitly written in the constitution) but the standing and importance of that right in america is a unique one.
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On July 20 2011 06:15 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:06 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:
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You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly. What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up. I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around? do you know what the great thing about defamy is ? as long as you dont feel offended its no breech of law. if you do feel offended however it is a criminal act. thats why its required by law that the person getting defamed by another person to take action and demand a criminal procedure. thats basically what slayers eve and kimgayeon did. they just pursued their own rights that were given to them by the korean constitution and by the korena criminal code. Getting offended is not illegal, nor it's protected by any laws. This isn't defamation, this is disregard-able at worst and funny at best. They most certainly aren't required by law to take action in this case. As for Korean libel laws and Korean internet freedom, we've raised concerns over that previously in this thread. Not everything written in law is logical or sensible. Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:07 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 06:04 Xiphiass wrote:On July 20 2011 05:59 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:
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Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences. This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly. What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up. I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around? I wouldn't do such a thing in the first place. I never was for Eve joining SlayerS. I am merely supporting Jessica for her actions against the trolls who did the cyber bullying done to Eve. This isn't cyberbullying. We've gone through this in this thread, too. Tell me, doesn't going to the police just escalate the problem? well the kids that commented that shit will get summoned by the police and in the worst case the DA will prosecute them in front of the judge i doubt they will dare to post anything ever again We're talking about Koreans, by the way. And no, twenty more will rise for every one prosecuted for this. This is just snowballing the problem into a bigger problem.
if someone in the US is seeking the police in dealing with defamation over the internet, then i would say they should brace for failure. however, if s. korea can effectively prosecute (backing of the law, the resources, etc) its citizens when they defame others over the internet, then it is very reasonable to seek justice.
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On July 20 2011 06:17 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:09 illsick wrote:On July 20 2011 05:25 jinorazi wrote:
there's a huge, huuuuuuuuge difference between american netizen and korean netizen.
koreans are literally connected through the internet, phads and trends spread like wide fire. if one person does something, everyone else starts doing it. rumors can replace truths.
you can search "tablo vs whatbecomes"
korean netizen will chew people up and spit them out if they find 1 flaw in a celeb, there's pro trolls out there that can ruin lifes. It's not even rumors, Slayers_Jessica publicly announced that one of the reasons Eve was recruited was because of her looks. She brought it on herself. If Nazgul said he recruited Tyler for his looks, I bet some people would make funny images of Tyler doing sexy poses lol. So basically, Jessica brought it on herself by stating the reasons of Eve being picked up and making it such a big deal and so public. I don't remember when they announced any slayers member being picked up to the public; especially a person with no accomplishments. there are still no grounds for personal insults. the criticism of the decision of kim gayeon might be justified. but there are limits (at least in legal systems outside of the US) of how you can express those. if your way of criticism is to post photoshops with slayers_eve on pornographic material i doubt that it fits into the category of justified criticism and is more a criminal defamation per se.
are you sure there are pornographic material? From what the OP posted, seems like Slayers_Jessica is going after everyone with a slightest critique of Eve like Haeun_Cielu.
edit: plus the most harshest post come from a 4chan-like website. Why would anyone be surfing there for any information but to find any insults about anything/everything.
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On July 20 2011 05:42 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:On July 20 2011 05:17 stOpSKY wrote:
Defiantly over reacting. I mean how do you even approach the police on a matter such as this?
Do you just go up to them and state that someone on the internet was mean to you and made fun of you because you are in gold league on SC2? I think people need to develop thicker skin because people seem to take things way to seriously and whine an awful lot these days.
The only thing I could deem worthy of reporting to the police that happens online is death threats. That is probably about the only thing I would report to the police. You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no. Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing? Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is. Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ? IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies. Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world? Some of us value the RIGHTS of everyone DESPITE our emotions. I don't think in the USA there is anything illegal about photoshopping someone "famous" into a pornographic picture. So no matter how it may make you feel, respecting the free speech of another person is far more important than wasting your energy being angry.
There is a big difference in freedom of speech and defamation, which is what is going on in this case. Let me try to put this in perspective for you, as this is how I see it.
If Sarah Palin (former Vice President candidate for non Americans) ran for president like she said she might in 2012 (god save us if she is elected...) and a group of people who are anti Sarah Palin decide to photoshop pornographic images of her and bring poster boards of them to a public debate or speech or something of that nature to heckle her, you are saying that is perfectly ok and it is freedom of speech?
Yes that may be a more severe case since it is a presidential candidate, but if you want to talk about rights then that shouldn't matter one bit. Presidential candidate or pro gamer, nobody should have to deal with this sort of public harassment and humiliation, especially when it can directly affect her career and therefore her livelihood. Imagine if she ended up parting with SlayerS for whatever reason and then could not get on another team simply because nobody else wants to deal with the burden she brings as a controversial figure. That is a very realistic possibility that could come from this situation if it is allowed to continue, and Jessica is doing her best to put a stop to it before it gets to that point.
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On July 20 2011 06:25 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:17 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 06:09 illsick wrote:On July 20 2011 05:25 jinorazi wrote:
there's a huge, huuuuuuuuge difference between american netizen and korean netizen.
koreans are literally connected through the internet, phads and trends spread like wide fire. if one person does something, everyone else starts doing it. rumors can replace truths.
you can search "tablo vs whatbecomes"
korean netizen will chew people up and spit them out if they find 1 flaw in a celeb, there's pro trolls out there that can ruin lifes. It's not even rumors, Slayers_Jessica publicly announced that one of the reasons Eve was recruited was because of her looks. She brought it on herself. If Nazgul said he recruited Tyler for his looks, I bet some people would make funny images of Tyler doing sexy poses lol. So basically, Jessica brought it on herself by stating the reasons of Eve being picked up and making it such a big deal and so public. I don't remember when they announced any slayers member being picked up to the public; especially a person with no accomplishments. there are still no grounds for personal insults. the criticism of the decision of kim gayeon might be justified. but there are limits (at least in legal systems outside of the US) of how you can express those. if your way of criticism is to post photoshops with slayers_eve on pornographic material i doubt that it fits into the category of justified criticism and is more a criminal defamation per se. are you sure there are pornographic material? From what the OP posted, seems like Slayers_Jessica is going after everyone with a slightest critique of Eve like Haeun_Cielu.
There are, spoilered and buried somewhere in this thread
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are you sure there are pornographic material? From what the OP posted, seems like Slayers_Jessica is going after everyone with a slightest critique of Eve like Haeun_Cielu.
She has gone after him and he wants answers for it along with an apology. There was pornographic materical posted on the websites which leads to fair game for a law suit but people are just going wtf at the fact she's going agressive crazy.
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On July 20 2011 06:25 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:17 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 06:09 illsick wrote:On July 20 2011 05:25 jinorazi wrote:
there's a huge, huuuuuuuuge difference between american netizen and korean netizen.
koreans are literally connected through the internet, phads and trends spread like wide fire. if one person does something, everyone else starts doing it. rumors can replace truths.
you can search "tablo vs whatbecomes"
korean netizen will chew people up and spit them out if they find 1 flaw in a celeb, there's pro trolls out there that can ruin lifes. It's not even rumors, Slayers_Jessica publicly announced that one of the reasons Eve was recruited was because of her looks. She brought it on herself. If Nazgul said he recruited Tyler for his looks, I bet some people would make funny images of Tyler doing sexy poses lol. So basically, Jessica brought it on herself by stating the reasons of Eve being picked up and making it such a big deal and so public. I don't remember when they announced any slayers member being picked up to the public; especially a person with no accomplishments. there are still no grounds for personal insults. the criticism of the decision of kim gayeon might be justified. but there are limits (at least in legal systems outside of the US) of how you can express those. if your way of criticism is to post photoshops with slayers_eve on pornographic material i doubt that it fits into the category of justified criticism and is more a criminal defamation per se. are you sure there are pornographic material? From what the OP posted, seems like Slayers_Jessica is going after everyone with a slightest critique of Eve like Haeun_Cielu.
im pretty sure as i did see the korean discussing about this matter as well.
i also believe that from what ive read about the haeun_cielu situation she did overreact and misplaced her anger. understandable in her situation but unthoughtful nonetheless.
doesnt change the fact that she is just realizing the tools the legal system of korea gave to her. the final decision will not be made by kim gayeon anyways
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On July 20 2011 04:34 Tyrellius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 04:07 Bayyne wrote:
You mother fuckers are hilarious. We apparently have people on this forum who shrug off pornographic photoshopped images of an innocent girl, verbal sexual threats and the like, as if it's not even a big deal; but when the NASL finals day 1 had poor audio and wait times, the whole fucking world apparently died.
I love the priorities people have here.
User was warned for this post Excellent post. Regarding the OP, I've got the image of Jay and Silent Bob tracking down all the lamers that dissed them on Moviepoopshoot.com and roflstomping them.
That's sort of the point, isn't it? There was absolutely no legal recourse, but their feelings were hurt, so they threw punches.
Most countries have some legal protection against cyberbullying, but careful reading (http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=13495) says that it is limited to cyber stalking or assault. Denigrating, even pornographic, material posted on a message board is not covered in any way by these laws.
What's more, posting of these images is not in violation of standard defamation (libel/slander) laws - because of the manner and medium in/on which they are presented - or sexual harassment laws - because the 'threat' is not realistic.
It seems from this thread (and my brief research) that South Korea has at least some legal framework for more extensive prosecution. This paper is particularly worthwhile for those interested in the topic: http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/cmcl/malr/9-2-5 Korean Defamation Law Update formatted for web.pdf
[following information is taken from above paper]
Under South Korean law, reputation is protected.
From Article 307 of the Criminal Code: A person who defames another by publicly alleging false facts shall be punished by imprisonment with prison labor for not more than 5 years, suspension of civil rights for not more than 10 years, or a fine not exceeding 10 million won.
In addition: Any person who has defamed any other person by publicly alleging false facts through information and communications networks with the purpose of defaming him shall be punished by imprisonment with prison labor for not more than 7 years, the suspension of civil rights for not more than 10 years, or by a fine not exceeding 50 million won.
The Civil Code provides greater room for prosecution:
A person who had injured another person, his liberty or reputation . . . shall make compensation for any other damage arising therefrom as well as damage in the property.
Essentially, a South Korean may sue another for damage to reputation. While these posts may or may not qualify, the law seems open-ended enough for SlayerS_Jessica to bring suit. If she can prove that the victim has a valuable reputation and that it has been damaged, then she has made her case. Obviously, opinions here may vary on that point.
+ Show Spoiler [tangent re: in person vs. posting online] +
Judge Oh, Seoul District Court: "Thus, the messages posted on the computer bulletin boards should be accorded the maximum degree of freedom of expression. Further, cyberlibel should be examined by sufficiently considering the uniqueness of the bulletin board messages. Accordingly, indulgence should be exercised even when the messages are somewhat wild, crude, or exaggerated."
The above is essentially legal justification for the opinion that it may be allowable to post what you cannot say in person/publish in 'serious' publication.
In general, when the highest Korean courts have been called on to rule on matters regarding speech on the internet, they have been fairly progressive, following the lead established by the US Supreme Court in Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union. It is worth noting that all my information is dated, and I have not read anything in regards to matters since 2002.
Now, I believe that SlayerS_Jessica has full legal authority to bring suit against any and all people she feels have harmed the reputation of her team or any of its members. However, I think she will have a very hard time proving her case, or even getting it to trial.
It is my opinion that she has cast her net far too wide, especially against this Haeun_Cielu guy.
tl;dr: Korean law is very different than US law, but court decisions have trended similarly. Jessica is legally enabled to bring suit against anyone. I think she's gone ridiculously overboard, especially in these twitter cases.
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I can see where she's coming from. I mean, she is justified to feel indignant and angry. But honestly, this just hurts SlayerS and brings about a rather negative irk. I'll still support SlayerS, but I hope somone steps up and calms her down (Cella/ Boxer cough cough). By performing well, they can prove everyone wrong!
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On July 20 2011 06:32 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
I can see where she's coming from. I mean, she is justified to feel indignant and angry. But honestly, this just hurts SlayerS and brings about a rather negative irk. I'll still support SlayerS, but I hope somone steps up and calms her down (Cella/ Boxer cough cough). By performing well, they can prove everyone wrong!
i do believe that she overreacted against this haun guy
but that does not change the fact that she only protected slayerseve. kim gayeon was not the subject of personal defamation as much as slayers eve was. and as she is the head of the team she is responsible to pursue her rights as well.
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On July 20 2011 06:31 Wren wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 04:34 Tyrellius wrote:On July 20 2011 04:07 Bayyne wrote:
You mother fuckers are hilarious. We apparently have people on this forum who shrug off pornographic photoshopped images of an innocent girl, verbal sexual threats and the like, as if it's not even a big deal; but when the NASL finals day 1 had poor audio and wait times, the whole fucking world apparently died.
I love the priorities people have here.
User was warned for this post Excellent post. Regarding the OP, I've got the image of Jay and Silent Bob tracking down all the lamers that dissed them on Moviepoopshoot.com and roflstomping them. That's sort of the point, isn't it? There was absolutely no legal recourse, but their feelings were hurt, so they threw punches. Most countries have some legal protection against cyberbullying, but careful reading (http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=13495) says that it is limited to cyber stalking or assault. Denigrating, even pornographic, material posted on a message board is not covered in any way by these laws. What's more, posting of these images is not in violation of standard defamation (libel/slander) laws - because of the manner and medium in/on which they are presented - or sexual harassment laws - because the 'threat' is not realistic. It seems from this thread (and my brief research) that South Korea has at least some legal framework for more extensive prosecution. This paper is particularly worthwhile for those interested in the topic: http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/cmcl/malr/9-2-5 Korean Defamation Law Update formatted for web.pdf[following information is taken from above paper] Under South Korean law, reputation is protected. From Article 307 of the Criminal Code: A person who defames another by publicly alleging false facts shall be punished by imprisonment with prison labor for not more than 5 years, suspension of civil rights for not more than 10 years, or a fine not exceeding 10 million won. In addition: Any person who has defamed any other person by publicly alleging false facts through information and communications networks with the purpose of defaming him shall be punished by imprisonment with prison labor for not more than 7 years, the suspension of civil rights for not more than 10 years, or by a fine not exceeding 50 million won. The Civil Code provides greater room for prosecution: A person who had injured another person, his liberty or reputation . . . shall make compensation for any other damage arising therefrom as well as damage in the property. Essentially, a South Korean may sue another for damage to reputation. While these posts may or may not qualify, the law seems open-ended enough for SlayerS_Jessica to bring suit. If she can prove that the victim has a valuable reputation and that it has been damaged, then she has made her case. Obviously, opinions here may vary on that point. + Show Spoiler [tangent re: in person vs. posting online] +
Judge Oh, Seoul District Court: "Thus, the messages posted on the computer bulletin boards should be accorded the maximum degree of freedom of expression. Further, cyberlibel should be examined by sufficiently considering the uniqueness of the bulletin board messages. Accordingly, indulgence should be exercised even when the messages are somewhat wild, crude, or exaggerated."
The above is essentially legal justification for the opinion that it may be allowable to post what you cannot say in person/publish in 'serious' publication.
In general, when the highest Korean courts have been called on to rule on matters regarding speech on the internet, they have been fairly progressive, following the lead established by the US Supreme Court in Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union. It is worth noting that all my information is dated, and I have not read anything in regards to matters since 2002. Now, I believe that SlayerS_Jessica has full legal authority to bring suit against any and all people she feels have harmed the reputation of her team or any of its members. However, I think she will have a very hard time proving her case, or even getting it to trial. It is my opinion that she has cast her net far too wide, especially against this Haeun_Cielu guy. tl;dr: Korean law is very different than US law, but court decisions have trended similarly. Jessica is legally enabled to bring suit against anyone. I think she's gone ridiculously overboard, especially in these twitter cases.
yeah that seemed to be rather unwise.
she will probably get the pornographic image case to court and the guy that did it will pay a hefty penalty. she might be successful in civil procedure as well but i doubt that one guy has that much money so probably its moot.
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Agreed with every word.
Going to police over the porn pics? Too much attention to random people on the internets, but hey, can understand it.
Going batshit crazy over every single comment, even the ones trying to help? That's just childish and ignorant in my eyes.
Thank you, for a moment I thought my post was going to get ignored and was sad. It's annoying to see much of thread is about the porn and stuff which isn't relavant. (Our bloody draconian laws sucks though so please raise awareness about it though). We know it's disgusting and they deserve it. However the point of the thread is to discuss is she was being to vicious and overreacting. Which she is, and really is quite disappointing.
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On July 20 2011 06:35 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:32 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
I can see where she's coming from. I mean, she is justified to feel indignant and angry. But honestly, this just hurts SlayerS and brings about a rather negative irk. I'll still support SlayerS, but I hope somone steps up and calms her down (Cella/ Boxer cough cough). By performing well, they can prove everyone wrong! i do believe that she overreacted against this haun guy but that does not change the fact that she only protected slayerseve. kim gayeon was not the subject of personal defamation as much as slayers eve was. and as she is the head of the team she is responsible to pursue her rights as well.
Lol, she has every right to pursue legal action. But all I'm saying is, is it going to be counterproductive. Imagine this, there's all the insults going around. But Jessica comes out and posts on Twitter "Would the people defaming SlayerS_Eve please stop their immature behavior. That would be much appreciated. She needs all the support of SlayerS fans and we all hope she will succeed in the scene!" I dunno, but if she did that, I think people would react much more positively to her response. Both of those courses of action are justified, I'm just saying what if...
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On July 20 2011 06:46 moonmeh wrote:Show nested quote +Agreed with every word.
Going to police over the porn pics? Too much attention to random people on the internets, but hey, can understand it.
Going batshit crazy over every single comment, even the ones trying to help? That's just childish and ignorant in my eyes. Thank you, for a moment I thought my post was going to get ignored and was sad. It's annoying to see much of thread is about the porn and stuff which isn't relavant. (Our bloody draconian laws sucks though so please raise awareness about it though). We know it's disgusting and they deserve it. However the point of the thread is to discuss is she was being to vicious and overreacting. Which she is, and really is quite disappointing.
Don't be sad, TL is a friendly place especially to Koreans, and what you say do have much truth to it
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On July 20 2011 06:46 moonmeh wrote:Show nested quote +Agreed with every word.
Going to police over the porn pics? Too much attention to random people on the internets, but hey, can understand it.
Going batshit crazy over every single comment, even the ones trying to help? That's just childish and ignorant in my eyes. Thank you, for a moment I thought my post was going to get ignored and was sad. It's annoying to see much of thread is about the porn and stuff which isn't relavant. (Our bloody draconian laws sucks though so please raise awareness about it though). We know it's disgusting and they deserve it. However the point of the thread is to discuss is she was being to vicious and overreacting. Which she is, and really is quite disappointing.
1.The tweet in question:
이젠 더이상 간과하지 않을거예요. 최종준비 완료. 약속은 반드시 지키겠습니다.
Shamelessly googled translation: Something about preparations being ready
http://yfrog.com/kfio1zyj
OP's picture.
http://yfrog.com/kkmtkej
Search of her name 김가연 on twitter, displaying top tweets. Seen here is the cat icon of Haeun_cielu with the tweet
자꾸 떡밥 올려서 죄송한데 김가연 키배 정리입니다. 리트윗해주시면 감사하겠습니다. 정리해주신 스투갤러분께 무한감사 http://twitpic.com/5rzlc9
S.G.T :Something about apologizing for uploading something
Other tweets (Ju_diamac, Nal_DaRamG) linking the website below.
2.http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=37217
Korean news(?) site.
S.G.T:
Kim Ka Yeon preparing to sue
Wants apology
Kim Shee-Yoon targeted with profanities, sexually offensive material for nine weeks.
bam, perhaps you could spare some time to translate these=)
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Don't be sad, TL is a friendly place especially to Koreans, and what you say do have much truth to it
Haha thanks, I often lurk here but this incident really made me want to post on TL and reddit. Also kyubeeeey. Evil thingie is evil.
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On July 20 2011 06:47 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:35 farnham wrote:On July 20 2011 06:32 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
I can see where she's coming from. I mean, she is justified to feel indignant and angry. But honestly, this just hurts SlayerS and brings about a rather negative irk. I'll still support SlayerS, but I hope somone steps up and calms her down (Cella/ Boxer cough cough). By performing well, they can prove everyone wrong! i do believe that she overreacted against this haun guy but that does not change the fact that she only protected slayerseve. kim gayeon was not the subject of personal defamation as much as slayers eve was. and as she is the head of the team she is responsible to pursue her rights as well. Lol, she has every right to pursue legal action. But all I'm saying is, is it going to be counterproductive. Imagine this, there's all the insults going around. But Jessica comes out and posts on Twitter "Would the people defaming SlayerS_Eve please stop their immature behavior. That would be much appreciated. She needs all the support of SlayerS fans and we all hope she will succeed in the scene!" I dunno, but if she did that, I think people would react much more positively to her response. Both of those courses of action are justified, I'm just saying what if...
if its counterproductive or not shall be seen. also it is her prerogative to do whatever she wants as long as its legal. also she will bear the consequences of her actions. case closed.
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