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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.

Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 03:33:04
July 18 2011 03:32 GMT
#181
On July 18 2011 12:02 JiYan wrote:
he was so friendly at mlg columbus though xD


B/c he is an e-thug. He has been doing shit like this forever and is famous for acting like this.

I didn't go to columbus but the interview I saw with him he was awkward as fuck.

Chat log does him no justice. He has an indefensible position here.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
July 18 2011 03:33 GMT
#182
seems like everyone's overreacting. he got punished and dealt with the drama seems to come from people defending and arguing which is pointless since it's already over. major is a good player but i don't think this reflects him that well as a person since he's actually pretty nice.
Isaac
Profile Joined August 2010
United States810 Posts
July 18 2011 03:33 GMT
#183
I dont get why its so hard for people to understand that Major himself confirmed that he cannot join the event and decided to anyway.
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GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 03:34:35
July 18 2011 03:34 GMT
#184
On July 18 2011 12:31 Ryzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 12:30 GoKu` wrote:
Well the tournament said that it was open to anyone with a SEA account, after probably scheduling his entire day around it they then told him that it was people living in SEA only. So... both parties are at a wrong here, but more the tournament for not being more clear. Obviously MajOr could of handled it better but he doesn't deserve the amount of hate this thread is giving him. I bet half the people here would of done the same thing if they read something that was posted by a Tourney admin and was completely false only to waste his time.

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(Image taken from the 2nd post on the thread all of you gladly ignored)

Now i believe in the TL calender it said that it was to SEA citizens only, but even then. 2 different sources with 2 different rules saying who can and can not join. If the rules were clear, this would of happened in the first place.


Did you even read the posts? He was told 5 days before the event he could not play.


i did, hit enter too early. There are always 2 sides to a story. We've only heard one so far.
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 18 2011 03:34 GMT
#185
I think people need to read the thread lol princess said he just wanted to do something competetitive, and said that he didn't want the prize money, so I don't get why he wasn't allowed in when he just wanted fun, and I don't get why this has caused such a shit storm rofl
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HitMonkie
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 03:35:10
July 18 2011 03:34 GMT
#186
On July 18 2011 12:30 GoKu` wrote:
Well the tournament said that it was open to anyone with a SEA account, after probably scheduling his entire day around it they then told him that it was people living in SEA only. So... both parties are at a wrong here, but more the tournament for not being more clear. Obviously MajOr could of handled it better but he doesn't deserve the amount of hate this thread is giving him. I bet half the people here would of done the same thing if they read something that was posted by a Tourney admin and was completely false only to waste his time.

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(Image taken from the 2nd post on the thread all of you gladly ignored)

Now i believe in the TL calender it said that it was to SEA citizens only, but even then. 2 different sources with 2 different rules saying who can and can not join. If the rules were clear, this would of happened in the first place.

If the stuff about major contacting deL and then being told in advance he could not play is true, then yeah its complete bs what he did. Still... bad publicity for Sj either way.


Did you even read any of the Thread at all?

He was told by organizers days before the tournament that he couldnt participate but decided to do so even though being told he couldn't.

Edit: Nice edit
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
July 18 2011 03:34 GMT
#187
On July 18 2011 12:33 GreyKnight wrote:
seems like everyone's overreacting. he got punished and dealt with the drama seems to come from people defending and arguing which is pointless since it's already over. major is a good player but i don't think this reflects him that well as a person since he's actually pretty nice.

no, it actually shows his true character and shows he is both an asshole and someone not to be trusted
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
July 18 2011 03:34 GMT
#188
On July 18 2011 12:25 Dox wrote:
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Okay so. Hi. I'm Dox/VVoLF/Derek/whatever you want to call me. I'm the one who hosted the tournament. Allow me to give a little background before I respond to the posts below. I'm basically going to repeat what I said on Kelly's stream during the event.

This event was specifically designed to encourage the SEA community to step up their game and embrace the global success of StarCraft 2 competitive eSports. Consider it an investment on my part. I inject money into the community, and the community produces higher quality gamers. Eventually these players will build the skills and confidence they need to represent SEA on the world stage (see: mOOnGLaDe).

The original post was written and posted for SC2SEA.com. I decided to copy/paste it over here to provide a little more exposure for the players who frequent TL more often than our own site. Thus, the "valid SEA account" part was somewhat vague in a global context. The "SEA Citizen" requirement was included on the tournament calendar, but I didn't have the foresight to edit it into the OP.

5 days before the event, sixjax.MajOr got in touch with deL, asking him if he was able to compete. deL contacted me immediately with the question, and I responded concisely. "No, SEA citizens only." 4 days later, MajOr decided to sign up anyway, obviously in an attempt to exploit this loophole.

The screenshotted conversation you would have seen throughout this thread took place 15 minutes before the event went live. As you can see, I tried to be as civil and accommodating as possible towards MajOr, however he wasn't satisfied. He eventually gave up on harassing me, logged out, and I assumed he'd finally took no for an answer. But as his stream revealed, he approached one of the diamond-league players who was participating in the event (SayfT / Gerlan), and asked if he could use his account.

He proceeded to eliminate several players from the event, going unnoticed until he went up against one of the top seeds (aLt.iaguz, who fell 1 game short of winning the entire event) and drew a lot of attention to himself when he won. After analysing the replays and comparing them to some of MajOr's replays, it was quite clear that all of the hotkeys/APM/style were identical. We checked his stream and that's when it became quite clear that he decided to play on someone else's account after being refused entry several times. I eliminated him from the event and rewarded iaguz with the walkover, however I could do nothing but apologise to the players he had eliminated from the event in the earlier rounds. These players felt pretty cheated.

There are so many posts on so many forums which claim that his behaviour was justified because the rules weren't clear. But please understand that he had been denied access to the event several days before he even signed up. The brackets were already full before he signed up. His behaviour was inexcusable.

On July 18 2011 11:08 archflames wrote:
so you get ready for a $500 tournament and then you're told you can't play?, i dunno i'd be mad too cuz he most likely already spent some time getting ready for that tournament etc., both sides are wrong here imo, bad tournament organization is bad

As I said above, he was told he couldn't play before he registered for the event. Thanks for the positive feedback for a tournament you didn't participate in though.

On July 18 2011 11:17 Msr wrote:
The admins there are beyond terrible and the tournament is horrendus. I would say he cheated, but I doubt they verified that everyone who entered was from SEA, i know several who weren't.

Who are you? Can you please provide some constructive reasons why I'm beyond terrible and why the tournament was "horrendus." Who do you know of who wasn't from SEA? I'd be very interested to know, because every player who submitted replays to me was from South East Asia with the exception of MajOr.

On July 18 2011 11:25 ffadicted wrote:
Honestly, it was against the rules and all, but this is exactly why I feel restricting people based on where they're born/where they live is a stupid thing to do. Why exactly does it matter if it's just people from SEA? How does the tournament benefit at all from limiting the player pool based on nationality?

As I mentioned earlier, this was an investment in the SEA region. I've said it in a few locations, but just to be clear, I absolutely intend on including international participants in the next Dox Cup. This was just a dry run for me to gauge participant numbers and interest from our region alone.

On July 18 2011 11:42 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
When you're playing games, of all things, to make a living, you have to make ends meet. Major plays for money, just like any other athlete, whether e-sport or not. He has his reasons, even if they were against others, to make money. Besides, not many of the people who are complaining in this thread have devoted their career to play games, so not many of us can truly comprehend how important winning money tournaments are, regardless of the methods used.

This is possibly the worst justification I've ever seen. I work hard for my money, and I don't appreciate someone trying to take it from me fraudulently. You're essentially saying it's okay to steal from others to make ends meet. If he needs money that desperately and he's not finding monetary success in eSports, perhaps it's time to consider a new career path.

On July 18 2011 11:45 ffadicted wrote:
Isn't this the exact same argument people have over inviting koreans to MLG/NASL/etc?? And it's been widely agreed that it's much better to open up tournaments for everyone who wants to participate no matter where they live/are born/currently play?

I'm pretty sure it's largely agreed that inviting koreans is a good decision, and it's the same issue here. I'm all for limiting people based on whether or not they are pros/what league they're in just so it's not a massive skill level difference, but not letting major participate just because he's not from SEA is a silly decision in general.

As I said above, I'll be inviting international players for the next event. I'm sorry that you feel my decision was silly.

It's honestly disheartening that the general opinion is, "Oh well, it's only SEA, they don't matter." But if this happened in one of the TL Opens (which has less than half the prize money associated), it'd be a big deal.

Don't try to argue with people online, it rarely works out to your advantage. Major was just wrong, there were rules in place and they are to be enforced. This is basically like a GM player smurfing to win a gold tournament of $100. I am not saying SEA players are like gold level but just using it as an example.
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
July 18 2011 03:35 GMT
#189
Knowing the whole story makes things more clear but still seeing that top screen shot showing that you only need a valid SEA account pretty much makes is obvious that you guys advertised in some way that that was all that was needed. Regardless of that I still think that guy made a really bold/asshole move to ask someone for an account that was already inside the tourny since he was denied beforehand. I can see some half hearted reply from Artosis but what else can you expect I mean Artosis is his old buddy and idk I don't blame the way he handles things lightly, it just goes with how I see him as a softy. Hope someone tells the major/princess guy to start to listen to admins better, seems like a punk to me.
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
July 18 2011 03:36 GMT
#190
On July 18 2011 12:34 HitMonkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 12:30 GoKu` wrote:
Well the tournament said that it was open to anyone with a SEA account, after probably scheduling his entire day around it they then told him that it was people living in SEA only. So... both parties are at a wrong here, but more the tournament for not being more clear. Obviously MajOr could of handled it better but he doesn't deserve the amount of hate this thread is giving him. I bet half the people here would of done the same thing if they read something that was posted by a Tourney admin and was completely false only to waste his time.

[image loading]
(Image taken from the 2nd post on the thread all of you gladly ignored)

Now i believe in the TL calender it said that it was to SEA citizens only, but even then. 2 different sources with 2 different rules saying who can and can not join. If the rules were clear, this would of happened in the first place.

If the stuff about major contacting deL and then being told in advance he could not play is true, then yeah its complete bs what he did. Still... bad publicity for Sj either way.


Did you even read any of the Thread at all?

He was told by organizers days before the tournament that he couldnt participate but decided to do so even though being told he couldn't.


you should read a post all the way before you respond to it. "Did you even read the post at all?"
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Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
July 18 2011 03:36 GMT
#191
On July 18 2011 12:30 GoKu` wrote:
Well the tournament said that it was open to anyone with a SEA account, after probably scheduling his entire day around it they then told him that it was people living in SEA only. So... both parties are at a wrong here, but more the tournament for not being more clear. Obviously MajOr could of handled it better but he doesn't deserve the amount of hate this thread is giving him. I bet half the people here would of done the same thing if they read something that was posted by a Tourney admin and was completely false only to waste his time.

[image loading]
(Image taken from the 2nd post on the thread all of you gladly ignored)

Now i believe in the TL calender it said that it was to SEA citizens only, but even then. 2 different sources with 2 different rules saying who can and can not join. If the rules were clear, this would of happened in the first place.


Yeah, but he made sure to ask, was told that he can't and did it anyway under a smurf without telling anyone...

could have handled it better? lol.


honestly he should just quit. He's not amazingly good, he can't win any global tournaments so he goes around trying to sneak into tournaments where he's not allowed, because the competition is easier and like I said... he can't actually win anything on a decently large scale.

If he really needs the money so bad perhaps he should just give up and get a job. Or maybe he should represent his team with a little more dignity especially if they're paying him a salary (which they probably are.)

lazyfeet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States468 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 03:37:58
July 18 2011 03:37 GMT
#192
On July 18 2011 12:34 MonkSEA wrote:
I think people need to read the thread lol princess said he just wanted to do something competetitive, and said that he didn't want the prize money, so I don't get why he wasn't allowed in when he just wanted fun, and I don't get why this has caused such a shit storm rofl

I won't believe a single word he said. Time and after time it proven that lying is in his blood.
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HitMonkie
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia518 Posts
July 18 2011 03:37 GMT
#193
On July 18 2011 12:36 GoKu` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 12:34 HitMonkie wrote:
On July 18 2011 12:30 GoKu` wrote:
Well the tournament said that it was open to anyone with a SEA account, after probably scheduling his entire day around it they then told him that it was people living in SEA only. So... both parties are at a wrong here, but more the tournament for not being more clear. Obviously MajOr could of handled it better but he doesn't deserve the amount of hate this thread is giving him. I bet half the people here would of done the same thing if they read something that was posted by a Tourney admin and was completely false only to waste his time.

[image loading]
(Image taken from the 2nd post on the thread all of you gladly ignored)

Now i believe in the TL calender it said that it was to SEA citizens only, but even then. 2 different sources with 2 different rules saying who can and can not join. If the rules were clear, this would of happened in the first place.

If the stuff about major contacting deL and then being told in advance he could not play is true, then yeah its complete bs what he did. Still... bad publicity for Sj either way.


Did you even read any of the Thread at all?

He was told by organizers days before the tournament that he couldnt participate but decided to do so even though being told he couldn't.


you should read a post all the way before you respond to it. "Did you even read the post at all?"


lol you edited to add that bit at the end.
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
July 18 2011 03:37 GMT
#194
We have seen this before... move along people
getpicture
Profile Joined January 2011
141 Posts
July 18 2011 03:38 GMT
#195
Pretty disgraceful by major. Artosis needs to punish Major or major himself apologizes.

Either way Major will be banned from most tournaments.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 03:41:15
July 18 2011 03:39 GMT
#196
Bleh, if there is one player that should put this kind of stuff behind him it's Major, such a talented player who just runs his own name through the dirt by doing shit like this. Banning him from future SC2SEA events should be the minimum. Can't control what other tournament admins do but he's clearly someone who has 0 respect for the rules of a tournament however arbitrary they might seem.
baby elephant
Profile Joined April 2011
273 Posts
July 18 2011 03:40 GMT
#197
On July 18 2011 12:38 getpicture wrote:
Pretty disgraceful by major. Artosis needs to punish Major or major himself apologizes.

Either way Major will be banned from most tournaments.


artosis needs to spank princess real good, mhmm..
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
July 18 2011 03:40 GMT
#198
On July 18 2011 12:37 HitMonkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 12:36 GoKu` wrote:
On July 18 2011 12:34 HitMonkie wrote:
On July 18 2011 12:30 GoKu` wrote:
Well the tournament said that it was open to anyone with a SEA account, after probably scheduling his entire day around it they then told him that it was people living in SEA only. So... both parties are at a wrong here, but more the tournament for not being more clear. Obviously MajOr could of handled it better but he doesn't deserve the amount of hate this thread is giving him. I bet half the people here would of done the same thing if they read something that was posted by a Tourney admin and was completely false only to waste his time.

[image loading]
(Image taken from the 2nd post on the thread all of you gladly ignored)

Now i believe in the TL calender it said that it was to SEA citizens only, but even then. 2 different sources with 2 different rules saying who can and can not join. If the rules were clear, this would of happened in the first place.

If the stuff about major contacting deL and then being told in advance he could not play is true, then yeah its complete bs what he did. Still... bad publicity for Sj either way.


Did you even read any of the Thread at all?

He was told by organizers days before the tournament that he couldnt participate but decided to do so even though being told he couldn't.


you should read a post all the way before you respond to it. "Did you even read the post at all?"


lol you edited to add that bit at the end.


wow, no wonder you're defending major. seems like you're exactly the kind of person he is, goku`
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TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
July 18 2011 03:42 GMT
#199
Its funny that anyone is surprised by this. He's been acting like this forever. From what I've heard, he played in WCG USA qualifiers back in BW pretty consistently. (He is from Mexico.)
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
July 18 2011 03:42 GMT
#200
I think people here dont read this particular sentence on the sc2sea.com website:

"Remember the issue is not the "clarity of the the rules" as yes, i agree that it wasn't that clear too in the OPs. It is more of how after clarifying, Dox had specifically told him he was not allowed to play and yet he went on to smurf on another account in order to do so."

Just ban him. End of story.
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