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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.

Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
July 18 2011 02:57 GMT
#141
On July 18 2011 11:56 MK4512 wrote:
He's a dick, but a good player. Don't pay him for his placing in the tournament and be done with it. to be fair, it says SEA acc. owner.


lol...

not after screenshots of that chat.

consequences are in order I'd figure.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
July 18 2011 02:57 GMT
#142
Obviously it is a dumb move on his part, but I personally don't think of him as any lesser skilled of a player. He's still one of the top Terrans in America, will continue to do well at MLG (if sixjax sends him there), and people will still watch his stream.

If he was caught hacking/cheating/etc, then there are bigger issues. But this, meh, just a dumb move.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
July 18 2011 02:57 GMT
#143
On July 18 2011 11:56 MK4512 wrote:
He's a dick, but a good player. Don't pay him for his placing in the tournament and be done with it. to be fair, it says SEA acc. owner.



It was stated to him very clearly that you needed to be a citizen. I don't think there was any grey area or misunderstanding that major wasn't supposed to play in the tournament... -_-
u gotta sk8
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
July 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#144
On July 18 2011 11:05 DirtYLOu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 11:02 Antoine wrote:
On July 18 2011 10:58 Jono7272 wrote:
Meh, the rules weren't clear. The Thread said anyone eith a SEA account was elligible, but elsewhere said only Sea citizens. Not too major imo! Excuse the pun :D

he was specifically told by the tournament organizer that he was not allowed to enter


This.


Major is a dick, fuck him.

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What a wanker, grow up kiddo.
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#145
On July 18 2011 11:53 ffadicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 11:49 arbitrageur wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:45 ffadicted wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:27 Chicane wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:25 ffadicted wrote:
Honestly, it was against the rules and all, but this is exactly why I feel restricting people based on where they're born/where they live is a stupid thing to do. Why exactly does it matter if it's just people from SEA? How does the tournament benefit at all from limiting the player pool based on nationality?


It supports the SEA community directly? For example, if there were to be a league in SEA that has a 50k prize pool every month, then there would be more SEA players who would try to get good enough to win them, and teams may arise from there (if not SEA players just joining SEA teams, or new ones forming).


Isn't this the exact same argument people have over inviting koreans to MLG/NASL/etc?? And it's been widely agreed that it's much better to open up tournaments for everyone who wants to participate no matter where they live/are born/currently play?

I'm pretty sure it's largely agreed that inviting koreans is a good decision, and it's the same issue here. I'm all for limiting people based on whether or not they are pros/what league they're in just so it's not a massive skill level difference, but not letting major participate just because he's not from SEA is a silly decision in general.


Dox can do whatever he wants with his own money. Also, I've reread your post over 3 times and I can't find the justification for your conclusion that it's a "silly decision in general". The only argument you've provided is that "it's been widely agreed", which is an appeal to popularity. I don't like it when people state a conclusion of which they have adduced nothing for.


Because I honestly cannot understand how it isn't obvious to everyone that having the most skill in your tournament = having the best tournament? It's his money, he can do what he wants, sure... but that doesn't mean what he's doing makes any sense, he only hurts the validity of what he's hosting. Why he would ever want to put forth money to make something and then blatantly chose to not have it be the best it can be.


Alright this conversation can go straight back to my first response to you. If (for example, I am not saying this is the motivation) they want to support the SEA scene... then THIS would be a good way to help support it and get some SEA players on the map if they are currently struggling, and possibly get more people in the scene.

What are you not understanding?
matthras
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia32 Posts
July 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#146
On July 18 2011 11:45 ffadicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 11:27 Chicane wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:25 ffadicted wrote:
Honestly, it was against the rules and all, but this is exactly why I feel restricting people based on where they're born/where they live is a stupid thing to do. Why exactly does it matter if it's just people from SEA? How does the tournament benefit at all from limiting the player pool based on nationality?


It supports the SEA community directly? For example, if there were to be a league in SEA that has a 50k prize pool every month, then there would be more SEA players who would try to get good enough to win them, and teams may arise from there (if not SEA players just joining SEA teams, or new ones forming).


Isn't this the exact same argument people have over inviting koreans to MLG/NASL/etc?? And it's been widely agreed that it's much better to open up tournaments for everyone who wants to participate no matter where they live/are born/currently play?

I'm pretty sure it's largely agreed that inviting koreans is a good decision, and it's the same issue here. I'm all for limiting people based on whether or not they are pros/what league they're in just so it's not a massive skill level difference, but not letting major participate just because he's not from SEA is a silly decision in general.


The fact remains that SEA has never had a local tournament that is on the scale of MLG/NASL. If we did, then yes, I agree it would be a silly decision to exclude people from other countries.

As previously mentioned, one of the intentions of the tournament was 'community building' and I'm sure you already know that SEA has a vastly smaller community (and if you've spent time on SC2SEA, you'll find it's fairly tight knit) as opposed to NA and EU. I'm not trying to say that because SEA is small, that we should keep to ourselves. I just feel that if we had people not native to the SEA server stomping all over our tournaments, the SEA community would just suffer.

The fact remains that Fenix and the Koreans who registered accepted Dox's clarification of the rules, whereas MajOr did not. There's nothing more to argue there.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
July 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#147
I hate that kid. His main korean account is "Firebathero" lmao. Got owned by Rainbow last night on Rainbow's stream and then no gg also he was kinda rude to huk on huk's stream shortly before that. Then this. He needs to chill.
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IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 18 2011 02:59 GMT
#148
Yep not a big deal, tournament organizers neglected to put the 'SEA citizen' in the most important place, which is the tournament thread itself. Not everyone checks the tournament calendar. Sure he was a bit of a dick by still playing under a different name after being told he couldn't play, but the rules stated beforehand should've made him eligible to participate. A little bad on both sides.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
July 18 2011 03:00 GMT
#149
Major continues to be an asshole.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
July 18 2011 03:01 GMT
#150
On July 18 2011 11:53 ffadicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 11:49 arbitrageur wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:45 ffadicted wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:27 Chicane wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:25 ffadicted wrote:
Honestly, it was against the rules and all, but this is exactly why I feel restricting people based on where they're born/where they live is a stupid thing to do. Why exactly does it matter if it's just people from SEA? How does the tournament benefit at all from limiting the player pool based on nationality?


It supports the SEA community directly? For example, if there were to be a league in SEA that has a 50k prize pool every month, then there would be more SEA players who would try to get good enough to win them, and teams may arise from there (if not SEA players just joining SEA teams, or new ones forming).


Isn't this the exact same argument people have over inviting koreans to MLG/NASL/etc?? And it's been widely agreed that it's much better to open up tournaments for everyone who wants to participate no matter where they live/are born/currently play?

I'm pretty sure it's largely agreed that inviting koreans is a good decision, and it's the same issue here. I'm all for limiting people based on whether or not they are pros/what league they're in just so it's not a massive skill level difference, but not letting major participate just because he's not from SEA is a silly decision in general.


Dox can do whatever he wants with his own money. Also, I've reread your post over 3 times and I can't find the justification for your conclusion that it's a "silly decision in general". The only argument you've provided is that "it's been widely agreed", which is an appeal to popularity. I don't like it when people state a conclusion of which they have adduced nothing for.


Because I honestly cannot understand how it isn't obvious to everyone that having the most skill in your tournament = having the best tournament? It's his money, he can do what he wants, sure... but that doesn't mean what he's doing makes any sense, he only hurts the validity of what he's hosting. Why he would ever want to put forth money to make something and then blatantly chose to not have it be the best it can be.


these tournaments aren't full of pro players like nasl or mlg are. you think letting someone of major's calibre come and roflstomp his way to a small local $500 tournament would somehow be conducive to building the SEA scene? i'd imagine it'd actually be demoralising to people who aren't as committed to playing competitively as na/eu pros (who wouldn't be turned off by puma winning nasl or mma winning mlg).

the best tournaments are the most competitive ones, not the ones that have the best players possible. do you think if a tournament comprised solely of my diamond friends would be better, or one with my friends + MC? yeah....
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HitMonkie
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 03:02:50
July 18 2011 03:01 GMT
#151
On July 18 2011 11:53 ffadicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 11:49 arbitrageur wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:45 ffadicted wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:27 Chicane wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:25 ffadicted wrote:
Honestly, it was against the rules and all, but this is exactly why I feel restricting people based on where they're born/where they live is a stupid thing to do. Why exactly does it matter if it's just people from SEA? How does the tournament benefit at all from limiting the player pool based on nationality?


It supports the SEA community directly? For example, if there were to be a league in SEA that has a 50k prize pool every month, then there would be more SEA players who would try to get good enough to win them, and teams may arise from there (if not SEA players just joining SEA teams, or new ones forming).


Isn't this the exact same argument people have over inviting koreans to MLG/NASL/etc?? And it's been widely agreed that it's much better to open up tournaments for everyone who wants to participate no matter where they live/are born/currently play?

I'm pretty sure it's largely agreed that inviting koreans is a good decision, and it's the same issue here. I'm all for limiting people based on whether or not they are pros/what league they're in just so it's not a massive skill level difference, but not letting major participate just because he's not from SEA is a silly decision in general.


Dox can do whatever he wants with his own money. Also, I've reread your post over 3 times and I can't find the justification for your conclusion that it's a "silly decision in general". The only argument you've provided is that "it's been widely agreed", which is an appeal to popularity. I don't like it when people state a conclusion of which they have adduced nothing for.


Because I honestly cannot understand how it isn't obvious to everyone that having the most skill in your tournament = having the best tournament? It's his money, he can do what he wants, sure... but that doesn't mean what he's doing makes any sense, he only hurts the validity of what he's hosting. Why he would ever want to put forth money to make something and then blatantly chose to not have it be the best it can be.


I think you should stop posting in this Thread.

Every time you do, It makes you look even more ignorant.




Edit: And a dick move by Major but not to be expected. He is a douche.
Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
July 18 2011 03:02 GMT
#152
He also told him in that chatlog that is from AUS, which he isnt, rofl.

He has been an immature fuck since SC1 though, I wish he would just do everyone a favor and disappear from the SC2 scene.
"Practice, practice, practice. And when you're not practicing you should be practicing. It's the only way to get better. The only way." I run the Smix Fanclub!
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 18 2011 03:02 GMT
#153
he was so friendly at mlg columbus though xD
dookudooku
Profile Joined December 2010
255 Posts
July 18 2011 03:02 GMT
#154
On July 18 2011 11:51 nvs. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 11:47 Jonas wrote:
Major is just a dude trying to make money playing the game that he loves. so what he made a mistake? Move along, nothing else to see here


maybe you should look up the definition of mistake.

Show nested quote +
An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness.


This was no mistake, he knew exactly what he was doing. He's done it before in the past, and he will do it again.


Mistakes don't have to be accidental or unintentional. Micheal Vick's involvement in dog-fighting was a mistake. Raping or murdering someone is a mistake. These are errors or faults resulting from defective judgement.

That being said, saying something like "I made a mistake" or "I made an error in judgement" are a lot nicer sounding than "I screwed up" or "I committed a crime".
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
July 18 2011 03:03 GMT
#155
Bleh...this is not really a scandal. Artosis seems to really try to help the kid out the best he can so massive respect to him. But he is perma banned from TL for complaining about money issues related to TSL 2 and the person who had the honor of banning him was none other than Manifesto7
nathangonmad
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom317 Posts
July 18 2011 03:04 GMT
#156
On July 18 2011 12:02 Enki wrote:
He also told him in that chatlog that is from AUS, which he isnt, rofl.

He has been an immature fuck since SC1 though, I wish he would just do everyone a favor and disappear from the SC2 scene.


But he makes so many command centres. Its good to watch
Keep trying Leenock
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
July 18 2011 03:04 GMT
#157
On July 18 2011 11:59 IcedBacon wrote:
Yep not a big deal, tournament organizers neglected to put the 'SEA citizen' in the most important place, which is the tournament thread itself. Not everyone checks the tournament calendar. Sure he was a bit of a dick by still playing under a different name after being told he couldn't play, but the rules stated beforehand should've made him eligible to participate. A little bad on both sides.


Yeah, this. Tournament organizers need to learn that players only check threads and not their actual conversations with the players. Otherwise the players are permitted to show blatant disrespect towards them. God when are people that give to their communities going to learn...
Never make a hydralisk.
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
July 18 2011 03:05 GMT
#158
Not surprised, he deserves all the shit he gets for it.
Blademage
Profile Joined November 2010
United States128 Posts
July 18 2011 03:05 GMT
#159
SEA scene needs to grow yes.. but it needs positive attention, not to shit on players.. yes tell them they broke the rules.. no don't act unprofessionally and say you like that a player is beign publicly embarassed. just tell him to gtfo and leave the drama be.. else.. who am i kidding.. ;\
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Strike_
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands704 Posts
July 18 2011 03:05 GMT
#160
I'm waiting for sheth to make a comment but he probably won't because he's too nice
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