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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway. Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please. | ||
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Jonas :)
United States511 Posts
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
U CAN'T accidently use it lol. Thats ur legit response. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:47 Jonas  wrote:Major is just a dude trying to make money playing the game that he loves. so what he made a mistake? Move along, nothing else to see here In his eyes the only mistake he committed was getting caught, this is clear from his previous actions, he's an all around douchebag, who cares if he "loves" the game? | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:45 ffadicted wrote: Isn't this the exact same argument people have over inviting koreans to MLG/NASL/etc?? And it's been widely agreed that it's much better to open up tournaments for everyone who wants to participate no matter where they live/are born/currently play? I'm pretty sure it's largely agreed that inviting koreans is a good decision, and it's the same issue here. I'm all for limiting people based on whether or not they are pros/what league they're in just so it's not a massive skill level difference, but not letting major participate just because he's not from SEA is a silly decision in general. Allowing Koreans to compete in major foreign tournaments is nothing like having Major smurf his way through a SEA tournament made to grow the seen. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:45 ffadicted wrote: Isn't this the exact same argument people have over inviting koreans to MLG/NASL/etc?? And it's been widely agreed that it's much better to open up tournaments for everyone who wants to participate no matter where they live/are born/currently play? I'm pretty sure it's largely agreed that inviting koreans is a good decision, and it's the same issue here. I'm all for limiting people based on whether or not they are pros/what league they're in just so it's not a massive skill level difference, but not letting major participate just because he's not from SEA is a silly decision in general. Dox can do whatever he wants with his own money. Also, I've reread your post over 3 times and I can't find the justification for your conclusion that it's a "silly decision in general". The only argument you've provided is that "it's been widely agreed", which is an appeal to popularity. I don't like it when people state a conclusion of which they have adduced nothing for. | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:47 Jonas wrote:Major is just a dude trying to make money playing the game that he loves. so what he made a mistake? Move along, nothing else to see here If you are a pro, representing your team and it will reflect into community, yes, it is a big deal. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:47 Jonas wrote:Major is just a dude trying to make money playing the game that he loves. so what he made a mistake? Move along, nothing else to see here you don't seriously believe this do you? there's no way you're that thick... he acted like a fuck like he always does. he should, like combatex and some others, be punished for breaking the rules. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:42 Ryusei-R1 wrote: When you're playing games, of all things, to make a living, you have to make ends meet. Major plays for money, just like any other athlete, whether e-sport or not. He has his reasons, even if they were against others, to make money. Besides, not many of the people who are complaining in this thread have devoted their career to play games, so not many of us can truly comprehend how important winning money tournaments are, regardless of the methods used. let's say i sell trinkets that i hand make to make a living. i have devoted my career to making and selling these trinkets. the government says no, i can't sell my trinkets on the streets because they want to keep the streets clean and better for pedestrians + traffic. so instead of finding a permanent store that i can rent/buy, i bitch and scream and organise protests against the government, and keep selling my trinkets on the streets anyway, because i'm a douche like that. does my need to make a living off selling trinkets justify breaking government law? you can't say "oh you should let him off because he has to make money and resorting to this should be understandable"... if that is the case, maybe he should find another way to supplement his income. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:47 Jonas wrote:Major is just a dude trying to make money playing the game that he loves. so what he made a mistake? Move along, nothing else to see here maybe you should look up the definition of mistake. An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness. This was no mistake, he knew exactly what he was doing. He's done it before in the past, and he will do it again. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
Lol, how do you accidentally use a mh? ;s Anyone know the backstory on that? Oblivion had more than just a maphack, and had other features that were useful at the time. Haypro was using it for one of those features, and was caught and put on the hackers list. I believe the oblivion hack had some observer features that made it enjoyable to watch people play | ||
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goswser
United States3519 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:45 archflames wrote: professional gaming is his career, everyone does things that are frowned upon once in a while, from driving like shit cuz you're late to work to telling your clients a lie,etc. will you suffer the consequences if you get caught? yes. but sometimes you have to take the risk. i'm not taking his side, he should be punished, but i understand why he sometimes does these things. You dont suffer consequences in esports if your caught....thats why shit like this keeps happening, occasionally a few people get banned, but most people appear to have 'get out of jail free' passes. There's a history of cheating and abusing tournaments from high level players in sc2 and sc1, and most of them never have consequences. What consequences does major get for this? What consequences did Kawaii and lastshadow get when Kawaii helped him cheat to win wcg 2009 qualifiers against a bunch of people, including machine? This community is way too tolerant most of the time.... | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:42 Ryusei-R1 wrote: When you're playing games, of all things, to make a living, you have to make ends meet. Major plays for money, just like any other athlete, whether e-sport or not. He has his reasons, even if they were against others, to make money. Besides, not many of the people who are complaining in this thread have devoted their career to play games, so not many of us can truly comprehend how important winning money tournaments are, regardless of the methods used. so you support athletes taking steroids to win because they need to play that sport to make a living? the idea is that we need to do things according to rules. tournament organizers who put money into esports can and should have control over who can participate in their tournaments and its not like their rules were unreasonable. | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:48 DirtYLOu wrote: U CAN'T accidently use it lol. Thats ur legit response. He was using it during obs games because it had lots of additional features that don't appear during obsing. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:49 arbitrageur wrote: Dox can do whatever he wants with his own money. Also, I've reread your post over 3 times and I can't find the justification for your conclusion that it's a "silly decision in general". The only argument you've provided is that "it's been widely agreed", which is an appeal to popularity. I don't like it when people state a conclusion of which they have adduced nothing for. Because I honestly cannot understand how it isn't obvious to everyone that having the most skill in your tournament = having the best tournament? It's his money, he can do what he wants, sure... but that doesn't mean what he's doing makes any sense, he only hurts the validity of what he's hosting. Why he would ever want to put forth money to make something and then blatantly chose to not have it be the best it can be. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
I like watching his play but he is just an idiot, and please don't try and compare him with IdrA, bm =/= cheating. | ||
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Gomas
Poland311 Posts
Thats all the thoughts i had on him, and this just proves my theory. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:53 ffadicted wrote: Because I honestly cannot understand how it isn't obvious to everyone that having the most skill in your tournament = having the best tournament? It's his money, he can do what he wants, sure... but that doesn't mean what he's doing makes any sense, he only hurts the validity of what he's hosting. Why he would ever want to put forth money to make something and then blatantly chose to not have it be the best it can be. not everyone wants "the best tournament tho"...each tournament has its own motivation behind it. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:53 ffadicted wrote: Because I honestly cannot understand how it isn't obvious to everyone that having the most skill in your tournament = having the best tournament? It's his money, he can do what he wants, sure... but that doesn't mean what he's doing makes any sense, he only hurts the validity of what he's hosting. Why he would ever want to put forth money to make something and then blatantly chose to not have it be the best it can be. No it doesn't hurt the validity of anything. He's not saying that it's "Dox's world starcraft 2 championship tournament." It's a SEA tournament, the point of which is to encourage the SEA scene to be more competitive. If he let anyone sign up, then there won't be a single SEA player in the top 25, and then it will be a fail of a "community builder" which is the type of event that it is meant to be. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:44 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: ROFL. Jesus christ, I'm not sure if this was brought up yet, but Juan has done this before. I believe he used to smurf into WCG USA Online Tournaments. you are correct | ||
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MK4512
Canada938 Posts
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