RootPrincess/SixjaxMajor caught smurfing in tourny - Page 9

On July 18 2011 12:03 Shiragaku wrote:
Bleh...this is not really a scandal. Artosis seems to really try to help the kid out the best he can so massive respect to him. But he is perma banned from TL for complaining about money issues related to TSL 2 and the person who had the honor of banning him was none other than Manifesto7

On July 18 2011 12:15 GGzerG wrote:
Not that I want to defend MajOr but in all honesty guys, I think someone needs to just say " I hate to say it but I told you so " , IMO no offense but this was all expected to happen in one way or another, this is absolutely no surprise to me and i'm not going to get worked up about it, this type of thing was coming sooner or later regardless.

On July 18 2011 12:15 GGzerG wrote:
Not that I want to defend MajOr but in all honesty guys, I think someone needs to just say " I hate to say it but I told you so " , IMO no offense but this was all expected to happen in one way or another, this is absolutely no surprise to me and i'm not going to get worked up about it, this type of thing was coming sooner or later regardless.

On July 18 2011 11:08 archflames wrote:
so you get ready for a $500 tournament and then you're told you can't play?, i dunno i'd be mad too cuz he most likely already spent some time getting ready for that tournament etc., both sides are wrong here imo, bad tournament organization is bad

On July 18 2011 11:17 Msr wrote:
The admins there are beyond terrible and the tournament is horrendus. I would say he cheated, but I doubt they verified that everyone who entered was from SEA, i know several who weren't.

On July 18 2011 11:25 ffadicted wrote:
Honestly, it was against the rules and all, but this is exactly why I feel restricting people based on where they're born/where they live is a stupid thing to do. Why exactly does it matter if it's just people from SEA? How does the tournament benefit at all from limiting the player pool based on nationality?

On July 18 2011 11:42 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
When you're playing games, of all things, to make a living, you have to make ends meet. Major plays for money, just like any other athlete, whether e-sport or not. He has his reasons, even if they were against others, to make money. Besides, not many of the people who are complaining in this thread have devoted their career to play games, so not many of us can truly comprehend how important winning money tournaments are, regardless of the methods used.

On July 18 2011 11:45 ffadicted wrote:
Isn't this the exact same argument people have over inviting koreans to MLG/NASL/etc?? And it's been widely agreed that it's much better to open up tournaments for everyone who wants to participate no matter where they live/are born/currently play?

I'm pretty sure it's largely agreed that inviting koreans is a good decision, and it's the same issue here. I'm all for limiting people based on whether or not they are pros/what league they're in just so it's not a massive skill level difference, but not letting major participate just because he's not from SEA is a silly decision in general.

On July 18 2011 12:25 Dox wrote:
Okay so. Hi. I'm Dox/VVoLF/Derek/whatever you want to call me. I'm the one who hosted the tournament. Allow me to give a little background before I respond to the posts below. I'm basically going to repeat what I said on Kelly's stream during the event.

This event was specifically designed to encourage the SEA community to step up their game and embrace the global success of StarCraft 2 competitive eSports. Consider it an investment on my part. I inject money into the community, and the community produces higher quality gamers. Eventually these players will build the skills and confidence they need to represent SEA on the world stage (see: mOOnGLaDe).

The original post was written and posted for SC2SEA.com. I decided to copy/paste it over here to provide a little more exposure for the players who frequent TL more often than our own site. Thus, the "valid SEA account" part was somewhat vague in a global context. The "SEA Citizen" requirement was included on the tournament calendar, but I didn't have the foresight to edit it into the OP.

5 days before the event, sixjax.MajOr got in touch with deL, asking him if he was able to compete. deL contacted me immediately with the question, and I responded concisely. "No, SEA citizens only." 4 days later, MajOr decided to sign up anyway, obviously in an attempt to exploit this loophole.

The screenshotted conversation you would have seen throughout this thread took place 15 minutes before the event went live. As you can see, I tried to be as civil and accommodating as possible towards MajOr, however he wasn't satisfied. He eventually gave up on harassing me, logged out, and I assumed he'd finally took no for an answer. But as his stream revealed, he approached one of the diamond-league players who was participating in the event (SayfT / Gerlan), and asked if he could use his account.

He proceeded to eliminate several players from the event, going unnoticed until he went up against one of the top seeds (aLt.iaguz, who fell 1 game short of winning the entire event) and drew a lot of attention to himself when he won. After analysing the replays and comparing them to some of MajOr's replays, it was quite clear that all of the hotkeys/APM/style were identical. We checked his stream and that's when it became quite clear that he decided to play on someone else's account after being refused entry several times. I eliminated him from the event and rewarded iaguz with the walkover, however I could do nothing but apologise to the players he had eliminated from the event in the earlier rounds. These players felt pretty cheated.

There are so many posts on so many forums which claim that his behaviour was justified because the rules weren't clear. But please understand that he had been denied access to the event several days before he even signed up. The brackets were already full before he signed up. His behaviour was inexcusable.


As I said above, he was told he couldn't play before he registered for the event. Thanks for the positive feedback for a tournament you didn't participate in though.


Who are you? Can you please provide some constructive reasons why I'm beyond terrible and why the tournament was "horrendus." Who do you know of who wasn't from SEA? I'd be very interested to know, because every player who submitted replays to me was from South East Asia with the exception of MajOr.


As I mentioned earlier, this was an investment in the SEA region. I've said it in a few locations, but just to be clear, I absolutely intend on including international participants in the next Dox Cup. This was just a dry run for me to gauge participant numbers and interest from our region alone.


This is possibly the worst justification I've ever seen. I work hard for my money, and I don't appreciate someone trying to take it from me fraudulently. You're essentially saying it's okay to steal from others to make ends meet. If he needs money that desperately and he's not finding monetary success in eSports, perhaps it's time to consider a new career path.


As I said above, I'll be inviting international players for the next event. I'm sorry that you feel my decision was silly.

It's honestly disheartening that the general opinion is, "Oh well, it's only SEA, they don't matter." But if this happened in one of the TL Opens (which has less than half the prize money associated), it'd be a big deal.

On July 18 2011 12:12 kedinik wrote:


If anything Major's behavior continues to reflect poorly on Artosis's judgment and leadership.

On July 18 2011 12:30 GoKu` wrote:
Well the tournament said that it was open to anyone with a SEA account, after probably scheduling his entire day around it they then told him that it was people living in SEA only. So... both parties are at a wrong here, but more the tournament for not being more clear. Obviously MajOr could of handled it better but he doesn't deserve the amount of hate this thread is giving him. I bet half the people here would of done the same thing if they read something that was posted by a Tourney admin and was completely false only to waste his time.


(Image taken from the 2nd post on the thread all of you gladly ignored)

Now i believe in the TL calender it said that it was to SEA citizens only, but even then. 2 different sources with 2 different rules saying who can and can not join. If the rules were clear, this would of happened in the first place.