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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 09 2011 00:30 KinQuh wrote: On what standards is he good? He is a mediocre NA player , even though i would like to see him play someone good. Don't argue with fanboys, he is obviously the best player in the world. | ||
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Gyro_SC2
Canada540 Posts
Because everybody underrated his tank build and that's how he win. ;D | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On August 09 2011 00:19 lunchforthesky wrote: Moon is way above Code B level though, do not talk as if beating Moon is like a stroll in the park.Dreamhack he played two Koreans and one is Code B. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On August 09 2011 00:38 Elem wrote: Moon is way above Code B level though, do not talk as if beating Moon is like a stroll in the park. So he's lower-tier Code A. Happy? :D | ||
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SnakEhead
United States62 Posts
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On August 09 2011 00:38 Elem wrote: Moon is way above Code B level though, do not talk as if beating Moon is like a stroll in the park. Code B is good. Almost no foreigners are better than Code B (probably Sen but even he could definitely fail to get through Code B). But it's not Code S, and the fact Moon fell out of Code S then A and then failed to requalify twice should suggest he's at his level. Code B is hard to get out of but it's hard to fall into if you were once Code S. | ||
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Gaius Baltar
United States449 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On August 09 2011 01:02 lunchforthesky wrote: Moon is a lot lot lot better than he was back then, though. The last 4 months he have improved significantly. I'd say he's better than players like Kyrix and more than half the Code A zergs.Code B is good. Almost no foreigners are better than Code B (probably Sen but even he could definitely fail to get through Code B). But it's not Code S, and the fact Moon fell out of Code S then A and then failed to requalify twice should suggest he's at his level. Code B is hard to get out of but it's hard to fall into if you were once Code S. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
I'd say huk is still underrated. He's one of the better tosses in the world right now. Maybe MC, Hongun and Alicia are better. Ryung and Ganzi don't get enough credit, they're quite good too. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On August 09 2011 01:09 Elem wrote: Moon is a lot lot lot better than he was back then, though. The last 4 months he have improved significantly. I'd say he's better than players like Kyrix and more than half the Code A zergs. Kyrix basically only ever plays really good players. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1959&part=games&league=standard Pretty much the only bad players he's played he's beaten. His losses are to guys like MC, Bomber, Losira, Violet, Line, Marine King. Those are all really good players. If he went to foreign events I'm sure he'd boss mode it up like Moon does. | ||
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NightySC
Norway168 Posts
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bre1010
71 Posts
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Nemasyst.598
United States285 Posts
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
... and Nestea (don't care what you think he is underrated  ) | ||
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CarlCaliente
53 Posts
and if anyone thinks strelok is anything but the greatest player in the world you are underrating him. | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
On August 09 2011 00:19 lunchforthesky wrote: Foreign tournaments mean nothing. If there aren't Koreans there, it doesn't belong in a discussion about Sc2 at the highest level. Dreamhack he played two Koreans and one is Code B. Homestory he played one Korean, it was PvP. If we're talking about the best GSL is all that matters. And Anypro came third in a GSL iirc. There is no way I can argue with what you're saying in this post, because it is completely contradictory and makes no sense. You say that if there aren't Koreans, it doesn't matter. But if you say that, then saying that if there are Koreans, it does matter MUST be true. Then you imply that Huk's foreign tourney wins don't matter, even though Koreans were there. Then you say that only the GSL matters????? Back to your original point, that only results matter... That is stupid. SO STUPID. I mean, results are an okay way to show how good a player is, but there is always a luck factor, or the player is having a bad day, or a really good day. Another guy quoted me and showed how stupid results are by saying that Dimaga has 17 golds, and Nestea has 3 on TLPD. But clearly, Nestea is the better player when you watch him play. A good player can be out in the first round, and an okay player can go to the finals, and the best player in the world can win half of the events he goes to. Randomness like being out of position, or not noticing a zealot in your mineral line (TSL3 Tyler vs Strelok Taldarim Altar) skew results so much that you can't say that results are the only thing that matter. How a player plays is what matters imo. A player can lose 0-4 and you can still see that he played really well, he just wasn't as good as the other guy. You say Inca is better than Huk because he has better results, but Inca is 1-9 vs. Zerg on his TLPD page. He only got 2nd place in GSL because he didn't play a Zerg and is a Protoss sniper... Huk has won multiple foreign events and remains Code S. So if you go solely by results, you're wrong. Results don't mean as much as you think, and it most certainly isn't true that GSL, and Koreans are the only players are the highest level, and foreign tournaments don't matter. | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
On August 09 2011 00:15 Primal666 wrote: Dimaga 17 gold 5 silver 1 bronze Nestea 3 gold 1silver 1 bronze, Bomber 2 gold 1 silver1bronze seems legit way to grade players to me! Yeah, using only results is a stupid way to grade players. But he said that, "results are what matter", so I showed him results that were better. | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
On August 09 2011 01:02 lunchforthesky wrote: Code B is good. Almost no foreigners are better than Code B (probably Sen but even he could definitely fail to get through Code B). But it's not Code S, and the fact Moon fell out of Code S then A and then failed to requalify twice should suggest he's at his level. Code B is hard to get out of but it's hard to fall into if you were once Code S. Many players that are now code S had a hard time getting trough code A qualifiers. For Example Bomber , LosirA , DongRaeGu and JYP failed multiple times but are now showing really good results. Its just that the system for code A qualifiers is really tough and you lose one set you're out. | ||
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