An NASL Retrospective With EG.iNcontroL - Page 14

iNcontroL: ...I think all criticism is valid, it just depends on how you go about voicing those concerns. But when someone is basically just being a jerk, making personal attacks, making claims about someones professionalism, or who they respect...

iNcontroL: ...and I know she’s [Lindsey Sporrer] looking to do a great job moving forward. I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well.

On July 15 2011 21:47 -Archangel- wrote:
I do not like so many people focusing on TB thing. Some other stuff was much more serious, like ignoring the big problem of downtime between games or the Seltzer girl that was "good" for community or some such bullshit.

They also didn't mention stream problems directly and decided to ignore sound problems even on the 3rd day.

On July 15 2011 21:57 ImHuko wrote:
Incontrol never learns. TB has given back to the SC2 community (a community he was new to) than Incontrol has EVER (a community hes always been apart of).

Funny the thing is, there was a point at the beginning of Incontrol streaming where you couldn't watch him for more than 15 minutes without him talking about how much money he makes off of SC2. I have never heard TB talk about the amount of money he makes.

People give credit to NASL for producing a great finals as well.... No, it was the players who made it a great finals, not NASL.

On July 15 2011 22:07 fer wrote:




iNcontroL in a nutshell. All from the same interview even.
Just have to say good job Geoff, you never fail to reach the expectations.

On July 15 2011 22:12 Zim23 wrote:
On the other hand, here comes TotalBiscuit looking over from his WoW casting gig and seeing that SC2 is blowing up. He thinks to himself, "WoW is on the decline, SC2 is on the rise, time to switch it up." Knowing absolutely nothing about SC and its history in a short few months he starts making money on this game.

Now he's not a bad person for doing this, in fact, it was a smart business decision and is absolutely understandable. And yes iNcontroL's response to this is bitter, and yes it's petty too. But don't fucking tell me you "don't get it" or "don't understand where this is coming from" because it's totally and entirely fucking understandable.

On July 15 2011 22:16 Savern101 wrote:


TB already disproved everything you just said in his post a page ago. He started producing SC2 youtube content on day 1 of beta. We had no idea about the eSports monster than SC2 was going to become. TB was interested in the game, enjoys it, and now is giving back to the community. The fact he loses money on casting gigs, and uses JTV revenue to fund tournaments is proof that money is not the important factor in his association in SC2.

On July 15 2011 22:12 Zim23 wrote:
What's going on here is something that happens in every single profession or community that involves going from an unknown to a famous person. It happens in acting, it happens in comics, and it even happens with Starcraft. A quick example:

Mr. Joe makes comics since he was 5 years old, he even has a fucking Marmaduke tattoo that he rubs every night for good luck. The man has quit his job to focus on his webcomic, he pours through forums trying to get his name out there, he spends hours upon hours honing his craft and his art skills to improve his work, and after years and years of living in relative obscurity he finally makes a decent living off of his work. And here comes Mr. xkcd who LITERALLY doodles stick figures on fucking graph paper and in 10 months he has the fame and money that Mr. Joe busted his ass for for the better part of a decade. No shit he's going to be bitter.

Here you have people like Geoff, like Artosis, like Tasteless, who worked their asses off, who scraped by, who did everything they could to keep being involved in the SC community for YEARS before seeing any payout. Tasteless dropped out of college and left his girl on a whim to head to the opposite part of the world in the hopes that one day it would pay off. Artosis went from one retail job to another barely scraping by with enough money to eat, quitting his jobs just to practice more BW, and has said many times before that if Starcraft didn't take off he had no other life options. Geoff started when he was a kid, and worked a million odd jobs just to fuel his need for SC. These guys worked their asses off for years and years, were living in relative obscurity, and they didn't care because they fucking loved the shit out of Starcraft, and finally after all of that hard work they're making a living. On the other hand, here comes TotalBiscuit looking over from his WoW casting gig and seeing that SC2 is blowing up. He thinks to himself, "WoW is on the decline, SC2 is on the rise, time to switch it up." Knowing absolutely nothing about SC and its history in a short few months he starts making money on this game.

Now he's not a bad person for doing this, in fact, it was a smart business decision and is absolutely understandable. And yes iNcontroL's response to this is bitter, and yes it's petty too. But don't fucking tell me you "don't get it" or "don't understand where this is coming from" because it's totally and entirely fucking understandable.

On July 15 2011 22:17 Trowa127 wrote:
Damn inc, your comments about Totalbiscuit made me really angry. So representative of the NASL in general, a total shambles. I don't even like TB's casting, I'm not going to lie I find it a bit annoying but do you know what? I respect him as a person, he does a lot for this community.

Totalbiscuit sponsored the UKUTL (not big enough for incontrol to have heard about I'm sure, as he is too busy getting his ass handed to you in every major tournament you enter) with his own money. His. Own. Money. £450 of it in fact. That isn't a small amount of money. You have no idea what you are talking about Inc, go fuck yourself.

Btw WoW isn't 'on the decline' - Over 10 million people are still active, 10 times the amount playing SC2. So TB switching from WoW to sc2 for money purposes makes no sense.

On July 15 2011 22:19 Zim23 wrote:

I think everyone had an idea that SC2 was going to blow up, and he put that money in after getting an enormous amount of flack. Yeah he really is interested in the game now that it makes him money. Again, it's not a bad thing, I don't mind that at all. He's making money doing what he loves, which is casting, not SC2. He loves casting.

On July 15 2011 22:20 Zim23 wrote:

Yeah because there are WoW tournaments cropping up everywhere OH WAIT.

On July 15 2011 22:12 Zim23 wrote:
What's going on here is something that happens in every single profession or community that involves going from an unknown to a famous person. It happens in acting, it happens in comics, and it even happens with Starcraft. A quick example:

Mr. Joe makes comics since he was 5 years old, he even has a fucking Marmaduke tattoo that he rubs every night for good luck. The man has quit his job to focus on his webcomic, he pours through forums trying to get his name out there, he spends hours upon hours honing his craft and his art skills to improve his work, and after years and years of living in relative obscurity he finally makes a decent living off of his work. And here comes Mr. xkcd who LITERALLY doodles stick figures on fucking graph paper and in 10 months he has the fame and money that Mr. Joe busted his ass for for the better part of a decade. No shit he's going to be bitter.

Here you have people like Geoff, like Artosis, like Tasteless, who worked their asses off, who scraped by, who did everything they could to keep being involved in the SC community for YEARS before seeing any payout. Tasteless dropped out of college and left his girl on a whim to head to the opposite part of the world in the hopes that one day it would pay off. Artosis went from one retail job to another barely scraping by with enough money to eat, quitting his jobs just to practice more BW, and has said many times before that if Starcraft didn't take off he had no other life options. Geoff started when he was a kid, and worked a million odd jobs just to fuel his need for SC. These guys worked their asses off for years and years, were living in relative obscurity, and they didn't care because they fucking loved the shit out of Starcraft, and finally after all of that hard work they're making a living. On the other hand, here comes TotalBiscuit looking over from his WoW casting gig and seeing that SC2 is blowing up. He thinks to himself, "WoW is on the decline, SC2 is on the rise, time to switch it up." Knowing absolutely nothing about SC and its history in a short few months he starts making money on this game.

Now he's not a bad person for doing this, in fact, it was a smart business decision and is absolutely understandable. And yes iNcontroL's response to this is bitter, and yes it's petty too. But don't fucking tell me you "don't get it" or "don't understand where this is coming from" because it's totally and entirely fucking understandable.

On July 15 2011 22:21 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

I don't think TB's WoW content was primarily tournament coverage. He was covering mostly PvE afaik.

On July 15 2011 22:21 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

I don't think TB's WoW content was primarily tournament coverage. He was covering mostly PvE afaik. And the PvP he covered I guess was mostly just arenas and bg's, not tournaments.

On July 15 2011 22:12 Zim23 wrote:
On the other hand, here comes TotalBiscuit looking over from his WoW casting gig and seeing that SC2 is blowing up. He thinks to himself, "WoW is on the decline, SC2 is on the rise, time to switch it up." Knowing absolutely nothing about SC and its history in a short few months he starts making money on this game.