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An NASL Retrospective With EG.iNcontroL - Page 15

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Lutto
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden198 Posts
July 15 2011 13:29 GMT
#281
Just becuse wow has 10 million players (lost around 1 million the last expansion) dosent make it "bigger" than sc2 its so much smaller, theres almost no tournaments and no streams anymore(atleast not what it used to be) and the PvE is not what blizzard promised and the game is dying..

So no you cant compare wow to starcraft by looking by the numbers of players...
Lutto @ Battlenet
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 15 2011 13:30 GMT
#282
On July 15 2011 22:29 Lutto wrote:
Just becuse wow has 10 million players (lost around 1 million the last expansion) dosent make it "bigger" than sc2 its so much smaller, theres almost no tournaments and no streams anymore(atleast not what it used to be) and the PvE is not what blizzard promised and the game is dying..

So no you cant compare wow to starcraft by looking by the numbers of players...

PvP is the smallest part of WoW...it's like calling pokemon small because there's no tournaments. It's hardly even a part of it.
EtohEtoh
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada669 Posts
July 15 2011 13:32 GMT
#283
On July 15 2011 22:29 Lutto wrote:
Just becuse wow has 10 million players (lost around 1 million the last expansion) dosent make it "bigger" than sc2 its so much smaller, theres almost no tournaments and no streams anymore(atleast not what it used to be) and the PvE is not what blizzard promised and the game is dying..

So no you cant compare wow to starcraft by looking by the numbers of players...


people are just looking at it from a player point of view because it directly contradicts Incontrol's assumptions about TB.
TB's WoW vids get tons more views than his SC2, he would get more money doing the WoW stuff.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
July 15 2011 13:32 GMT
#284
On July 15 2011 22:29 Lutto wrote:
Just becuse wow has 10 million players (lost around 1 million the last expansion) dosent make it "bigger" than sc2 its so much smaller, theres almost no tournaments and no streams anymore(atleast not what it used to be) and the PvE is not what blizzard promised and the game is dying..

So no you cant compare wow to starcraft by looking by the numbers of players...


So many WoW is dying morons out there. Over 10 million subscribers = not dying. Starcraft lost FIFTY PERCENT of its players on ladder between season 1 and 2. 50%. Does that mean its dying Lutto?
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
July 15 2011 13:34 GMT
#285
Interesting article. I like getting info on NASL because compared to MLG and GSL (in spit of the language barrier) the NASL is not very transparent. It's really hard to sorta guage what they're doing, to the point where our Aussie friend even questioned if there'd be a payout. It's just a difficult organization to read, so stuff like this is very helpful.

I love Lindsey man (she's my wallpaper at the moment, you know, the protoss picture thing), and i hope she stays here and improves as an asset to #ESPORTS, but to compare her to TB as though she's better is a joke. I look forward to the day that Geoff is in the headlines for winning a tournament, rather than showing of serious symptoms of the foot in mouth disease.

Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 15 2011 13:34 GMT
#286
On July 15 2011 22:32 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 22:29 Lutto wrote:
Just becuse wow has 10 million players (lost around 1 million the last expansion) dosent make it "bigger" than sc2 its so much smaller, theres almost no tournaments and no streams anymore(atleast not what it used to be) and the PvE is not what blizzard promised and the game is dying..

So no you cant compare wow to starcraft by looking by the numbers of players...


So many WoW is dying morons out there. Over 10 million subscribers = not dying. Starcraft lost FIFTY PERCENT of its players on ladder between season 1 and 2. 50%. Does that mean its dying Lutto?


Well WoW doesn't have anything to balance that player loss. There is no expansion on the horizon, and no booming stream/tournament viewership.
/commercial
enecateReAP
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom378 Posts
July 15 2011 13:35 GMT
#287
On July 15 2011 22:17 Trowa127 wrote:
Damn inc, your comments about Totalbiscuit made me really angry. So representative of the NASL in general, a total shambles. I don't even like TB's casting, I'm not going to lie I find it a bit annoying but do you know what? I respect him as a person, he does a lot for this community.

Totalbiscuit sponsored the UKUTL (not big enough for incontrol to have heard about I'm sure, as he is too busy getting his ass handed to him in every major tournament him enter) with his own money. His. Own. Money. £450 of it in fact. That isn't a small amount of money. You have no idea what you are talking about Inc, go fuck yourself.

Btw WoW isn't 'on the decline' - Over 10 million people are still active, 10 times the amount playing SC2. So TB switching from WoW to sc2 for money purposes makes no sense.


You do realise Geoff was a caster of the NASL? Did you read the interview? xD He had no input into anything.

I alsop like how you revert to personal insults towards Geoff to try and get your idiotic point through, Geoff has given more to this community than you could ever imagine, he won't ever read your post, and even if he did, he wouldn't care.

I didn't realise that people HAD to like eachother?

YOUR POST IS KILLING E-SPORTS.

To add, you're an idiot.

User was warned for this post
"Stargate units imba" - oGsMC
Lutto
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden198 Posts
July 15 2011 13:37 GMT
#288
On July 15 2011 22:32 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 22:29 Lutto wrote:
Just becuse wow has 10 million players (lost around 1 million the last expansion) dosent make it "bigger" than sc2 its so much smaller, theres almost no tournaments and no streams anymore(atleast not what it used to be) and the PvE is not what blizzard promised and the game is dying..

So no you cant compare wow to starcraft by looking by the numbers of players...


So many WoW is dying morons out there. Over 10 million subscribers = not dying. Starcraft lost FIFTY PERCENT of its players on ladder between season 1 and 2. 50%. Does that mean its dying Lutto?


Wow is dead as an esport (Arena) and they are loosing people, its not going to die instant no and it will prob not die at all but its not what it once was and its slowly climbing down and will continue to do so until blizzard do something. I played wow for several years cleared all pve got gladiator etc and its not was it once was.

And starcraft ladder is doing the same aswell yes but the game as an esport is only growing.
Lutto @ Battlenet
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
July 15 2011 13:38 GMT
#289
On July 15 2011 22:34 Novalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 22:32 Trowa127 wrote:
On July 15 2011 22:29 Lutto wrote:
Just becuse wow has 10 million players (lost around 1 million the last expansion) dosent make it "bigger" than sc2 its so much smaller, theres almost no tournaments and no streams anymore(atleast not what it used to be) and the PvE is not what blizzard promised and the game is dying..

So no you cant compare wow to starcraft by looking by the numbers of players...


So many WoW is dying morons out there. Over 10 million subscribers = not dying. Starcraft lost FIFTY PERCENT of its players on ladder between season 1 and 2. 50%. Does that mean its dying Lutto?


Well WoW doesn't have anything to balance that player loss. There is no expansion on the horizon, and no booming stream/tournament viewership.


New content got released 3 weeks ago.
And again, as many people said, WoW's popularity has barely anything to do with tournaments/streams. There is just a huge amount of content available to anyone and new content is being introduced every now and then.
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Tyrgrim
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden83 Posts
July 15 2011 13:41 GMT
#290
Nice interview, it's especially nice to hear how Geoff perceived things from the inside, to get some inside information basically .
But I must add my voice to the ones feeling somewhat puzzled regarding the TB comment. I'm not a big fan of his casting, but to say he's just in SC2 to make money feels very inaccurate. As others have pointed out, he makes far more money on other content on his youtube channel, he also organizes showmatches and that tournament of his. Not to mention all the new people he introduces to SC2 because of his broad viewerbase on youtube.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 15 2011 13:42 GMT
#291
On July 15 2011 22:38 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 22:34 Novalisk wrote:
On July 15 2011 22:32 Trowa127 wrote:
On July 15 2011 22:29 Lutto wrote:
Just becuse wow has 10 million players (lost around 1 million the last expansion) dosent make it "bigger" than sc2 its so much smaller, theres almost no tournaments and no streams anymore(atleast not what it used to be) and the PvE is not what blizzard promised and the game is dying..

So no you cant compare wow to starcraft by looking by the numbers of players...


So many WoW is dying morons out there. Over 10 million subscribers = not dying. Starcraft lost FIFTY PERCENT of its players on ladder between season 1 and 2. 50%. Does that mean its dying Lutto?


Well WoW doesn't have anything to balance that player loss. There is no expansion on the horizon, and no booming stream/tournament viewership.


New content got released 3 weeks ago.
And again, as many people said, WoW's popularity has barely anything to do with tournaments/streams. There is just a huge amount of content available to anyone and new content is being introduced every now and then.


That was my point, WoW doesn't have that stream/tournament factor to balance its player loss. If people aren't playing SC2, they're still watching streams which help promote the game. If people aren't playing WoW, they're playing something else.
/commercial
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:43:15
July 15 2011 13:42 GMT
#292
People who have never played WoW don't actual realize that arena is the MINORITY. Following E-sports like SC2, you only hear about arena in WoW, but the fact of the matter is, majority of WoW players do not care about arena.
tztztz
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany314 Posts
July 15 2011 13:43 GMT
#293
omg inc, saying tb is just "in for the money" is probably the most insensitive and hypocritical stuff you've ever said. maybe he didn't start playin sc competitive with 12 years like you, but he is doing stuff since day 1 beta. how can you say he does it just for the money? do you know him? have he ever said that? can you look in this head? imagine someone would say these things about you in an interview. that would be "stupid" and a "personal attack" from a "hater", wouldn't it? grow up, no need to discredit people publicly for no reason. and btw who is not in for the money? if there would be no money involved noone would be casting. if there would be no money involved you would still be on SotG. every former wc3 player und non s-class bw player is playing sc2 for the money. you can't argue that tb doesn't love what he's doing and isn't passionate about. so what's your point? sry but that was a total d-move. be a man and apologize.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
July 15 2011 13:44 GMT
#294
For all the statements Incontrol makes about growing esports, the constant barrage of bile toward other members of the community makes me think that he only wants the kind of esports that benefit him to succeed.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
July 15 2011 13:45 GMT
#295
Just for everyone's information, Totalbiscuit has explicitly -- himself -- characterized his relationship to Starcraft 2 in terms of his viewers. That is, if too few people watch his Starcraft 2 content, he will not produce it. So, Incontrol's statement about him is absolutely, positively correct.

If TB fans have a problem with that, insult TB, not Inc.
Akta
Profile Joined February 2011
447 Posts
July 15 2011 13:45 GMT
#296
On July 15 2011 21:38 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
but sometimes I get the feeling that when he wants to he can be a great thinker.


If by great thinker you mean someone who can use high school level debate tactics to try and refute everyone with a different point of view than him, then you are right.

I encourage you to take a look at his post history and how he responds to people. Focus on the person rather than the argument, check. Level so many accusations it is impossible to defend, check. Create an extremely exaggerated case of what the opposition is saying then attack the straw-man, check. Ignoring what is being said and instead of refuting it changing the topic to something you have more knowledge about, check. Questioning the motives of those making arguments against you, check.

These techniques work on people who can't see through them, don't be one of them.
I agree 100% with most of your post but to put things in perspective I think Idra says smart things as well, for example.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
July 15 2011 13:46 GMT
#297
It's hilarious; I saw a comment on a youtube video that said 'Fuck Incontrol, I'm not paying $25!'

People genuinely still think Incontrol runs NASL.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
July 15 2011 13:46 GMT
#298
On July 15 2011 22:45 -_- wrote:
Just for everyone's information, Totalbiscuit has explicitly -- himself -- characterized his relationship to Starcraft 2 in terms of his viewers. That is, if too few people watch his Starcraft 2 content, he will not produce it. So, Incontrol's statement about him is absolutely, positively correct.

If TB fans have a problem with that, insult TB, not Inc.


Evidence please.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
-VanQuisH-
Profile Joined June 2011
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:50:13
July 15 2011 13:48 GMT
#299
On July 15 2011 22:35 enecateReAP wrote:
Geoff has given more to this community than you could ever imagine


Like what?
ThorZaiN/MMA | HuK/Alicia | MorroW/Nestea
cape
Profile Joined May 2010
United States142 Posts
July 15 2011 13:48 GMT
#300
On July 15 2011 22:46 The KY wrote:
It's hilarious; I saw a comment on a youtube video that said 'Fuck Incontrol, I'm not paying $25!'

People genuinely still think Incontrol runs NASL.


Or maybe they don't like incontrol and don't want to help fund something he is involved in?
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