EPTAn NASL Retrospective With EG.iNcontroL - Page 13
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Lutto
Sweden198 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On July 15 2011 17:48 Wesso wrote: Maybe Incontrol has some inside information, like TB asking more money than others for casting in large tournaments etc. Still strange to say such a thing randomly in an interview, and not at all the impression I have of TB. I don't think I really need to get involved in this thread in a major way, the community has already made it's stance known and I thank them for that, but I can provide a little perspective on this one. NASL paid $100 for my casting with Gretorp, for a 4-5 hour job. This is their "standard fee", I do not know what they paid everyone else. I accepted it and added it to the prizepool for SCI. I spent a couple of thousand to get to Dreamhack, I was not paid for that event. I got VoD rights which meant I could recoup some of it over the course of several months, otherwise I paid my travel and accomodation, rented a car, brought my own gear and was asked to cast on the Dreamhack stream so they received the stream revenue. As for the other tournaments, aside from IPL who have a tendency of paying everyone fairly, players included as you've seen from IPL's prize distribution, I've made a loss on every tournament I've casted, because it takes time away from doing other, more popular content. Just to clear up some outdated information by some folks, I stopped doing WoW content a couple of months ago because I was no longer enjoying the game. It was a big earner but I cut it entirely, specifically in protest at a move by Blizzard to appease bad players by nerfing the content I enjoyed. I believed this was a betrayal of their statement they made at the start of this expansion, that "Raiding is hard, man up and get better". My primary income at this point comes from my daily Mailbox gaming podcast, my WTF is? (by far the most popular series I do), Terraria and my League of Legends gameplays. Starcraft 2 remains a small portion of my income and as you all know, all my stream revenue funds tournaments so I don't see a dime of that. One last thing for those with short memories. - my first Starcraft 2 cast, on Day 1 of beta. As a sidenote of trivia, this cast was featured by Blizzard as a way to help people overcome their fear of getting into SC2. - the day I became a Youtube partner, 6 months later. If you don't understand what that means, in order to get paid for any videos you do, you have to be a partner, so I wasn't earning anything at all from it before that. I think you can draw your own conclusions there. I don't think anything else really needs to be addressed, others have said it for me. Look out for a special announcement coming very soon on the tournament side of things! | ||
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Savern101
United Kingdom859 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:30 Lutto wrote: Great interview, name dropping was kinda of a bad ideá tho.. almost everyone would had known you meant TB anyways since he's one of the biggest example of moving to Sc2 for money and fame. This has already been covered in this thread. This is not true. TB was interested in SC2 long before he was ever a youtube partner. His wow coverage and other content always made more money and got up to double the number of views. His JTV stream revnue is 100% refunneled into his own invitational tournaments. EDIT: read TB's post above, its better than mine. | ||
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chokke
Norway228 Posts
Not to found of Incontrol in interviews, streams and gameshows. He looks like the guy that is going to be nice in person, but once you leave, he'll point out EVERYTHING wrong with you. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
but sometimes I get the feeling that when he wants to he can be a great thinker. If by great thinker you mean someone who can use high school level debate tactics to try and refute everyone with a different point of view than him, then you are right. I encourage you to take a look at his post history and how he responds to people. Focus on the person rather than the argument, check. Level so many accusations it is impossible to defend, check. Create an extremely exaggerated case of what the opposition is saying then attack the straw-man, check. Ignoring what is being said and instead of refuting it changing the topic to something you have more knowledge about, check. Questioning the motives of those making arguments against you, check. These techniques work on people who can't see through them, don't be one of them. | ||
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-VanQuisH-
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. Wtf? Why must incontrol always make random inflammatory statements about things he know nothing about? | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:38 Duravi wrote: If by great thinker you mean someone who can use high school level debate tactics to try and refute everyone with a different point of view than him, then you are right. I encourage you to take a look at his post history and how he responds to people. Focus on the person rather than the argument, check. Level so many accusations it is impossible to defend, check. Create an extremely exaggerated case of what the opposition is saying then attack the straw-man, check. Ignoring what is being said and instead of refuting it changing the topic to something you have more knowledge about, check. Questioning the motives of those making arguments against you, check. These techniques work on people who can't see through them, don't be one of them. This. The non-apology a few pages back being a prime example, and it's also the reason SotG used to be absolutely unbearable to listen to. While I personally don't volunteer to listen to TB's casting, some of his casts have been great fun (TB + MC coming to mind immediately). He draws in a crowd that isn't attracted to the standard 'professional casting' model, and I don't see how it's relevant that was involved in another game before. If TB makes money, it's because he's popular, not because he's 'stealing' viewers or whatever. It's not like the NASL is a non-profit. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17885 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:32 TotalBiscuit wrote: I don't think anything else really needs to be addressed, others have said it for me. Look out for a special announcement coming very soon on the tournament side of things! an post about an announcement  could this be the TBSL : Total Biscuit Star League? if you need help setting up the software side of a large elimination tournament message me the best solution ( for large scale open tournaments ) in the community is now available on a shareware license basis. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
They also didn't mention stream problems directly and decided to ignore sound problems even on the 3rd day. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
On July 15 2011 15:05 Burpies wrote: Lindsey is doing StarCraft II stuff because she sees an opportunity to make money. iNcontroL finds it offensive when someone from a non SC related background gets money doing StarCraft II things. Lindsey is essentially earning money doing just that by working for NASL hence iNcontroL should be offended by her as well. This, a hundred times over. TB has done quite some for the community and even though he isn't the greatest player I value his contribution alot more than eyecandy who has never played the game doing interviews. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:47 -Archangel- wrote: I do not like so many people focusing on TB thing. Some other stuff was much more serious, like ignoring the big problem of downtime between games or the Seltzer girl that was "good" for community or some such bullshit. They also didn't mention stream problems directly and decided to ignore sound problems even on the 3rd day. He didn't say anything about Seltzer (who is actually "good" for the community but that's not the current discussion). Maybe you meant Lindsey? | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:32 TotalBiscuit wrote: That was surprising to hear. I understand there could be deals other than direct payment but wouldn't have thought you would have to pay for anything either.I spent a couple of thousand to get to Dreamhack, I was not paid for that event. I got VoD rights which meant I could recoup some of it over the course of several months, otherwise I paid my travel and accomodation, rented a car, brought my own gear and was asked to cast on the Dreamhack stream so they received the stream revenue. And you are another example of people I have disagreed with. Not sure if I've actually argued about something you said or did on these board(I probably have) but like with Incontrol it doesn't mean that I'm not a fan. I don't think this is said often enough: Like hopefully many others I have nothing but respect for the players, casters and everyone else, like the team liquid people, that make my sc2 entertainment addiction possible. Well I better quit before I start handing out man hugs. Respect yo! | ||
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ImHuko
United States996 Posts
Funny the thing is, there was a point at the beginning of Incontrol streaming where you couldn't watch him for more than 15 minutes without him talking about how much money he makes off of SC2. I have never heard TB talk about the amount of money he makes. People give credit to NASL for producing a great finals as well.... No, it was the players who made it a great finals, not NASL. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
I do not like so many people focusing on TB thing. Some other stuff was much more serious, like ignoring the big problem of downtime between games or the Seltzer girl that was "good" for community or some such bullshit. They also didn't mention stream problems directly and decided to ignore sound problems even on the 3rd day. I think you mean lindsey, Seltzer lives in korea and knows the scene and the game. Ignoring the real problems is just a debate tactic like everything he does. Avoid what you are uncomfortable with and talk about things you have more knowledge about than the people questioning you. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
TB might not make himself any friends by how he acts on the forums, but he doesn't have half the foot-in-mouth problem that Incontrol does. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:51 Linwelin wrote: He didn't say anything about Seltzer (who is actually "good" for the community but that's not the current discussion). Maybe you meant Lindsey? Yes, sorry, my mistake. I edited the post | ||
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-VanQuisH-
9 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:57 ImHuko wrote: Incontrol never learns. TB has given back to the SC2 community (a community he was new to) than Incontrol has EVER (a community hes always been apart of). Funny the thing is, there was a point at the beginning of Incontrol streaming where you couldn't watch him for more than 15 minutes without him talking about how much money he makes off of SC2. I have never heard TB talk about the amount of money he makes. I remember you when they announced the NASL and then Incontrol got you banned on the grounds of "you were streaming GSL material" :D | ||
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