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lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 09 2011 17:25 GMT
#61
[QUOTE]On July 09 2011 19:25 Talin wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 09 2011 18:16 AndAgain wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 09 2011 18:10 Talin wrote:
Ugh, the results of the poll are so discouraging.

I really dislike any form of double elimination in Starcraft. Single elimination tournaments are pretty much a tradition, and all Korean competitions are single elimination. If you lose a BO5, there's no reason at all for you to stay in the tournament in any way.

[/QUOTE]

MC is extremely successful at SC2 - but is he actually that good skillwise? We can have opinions one way or the other. [/QUOTE]

Yes. Best Toss micro in the world by far, great strats and macro.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 09 2011 17:30 GMT
#62
On July 09 2011 17:25 windsupernova wrote:
Single elimination with BO5 or BO7.

Extended series are a terrible terrible thing.And I don't really want more games for the sake of more games
Extended series is indeed absolutely terrible and has no place in a modern competitive format.

But that doesn't have anything to do with double elimination per se, so your reasoning is flawed.


It's like saying I don't like single elimination because Bo1.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 09 2011 18:09 GMT
#63
On July 09 2011 18:19 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I'm really surprised people actually like double elimination. It's kinda good for players but messy for spectators. I actually find shorter tournaments better for double elimination. With a larger player pool, you will have so many games in the losers, it's not practical to see them all and it's harder to schedule it. Winner and losers still need to played in parallel too. Right now your getting every game shown on the main stage one by one. This cannot happen with double elim system. Single-elim gives the clearest concise picture of how a tournament can go down.

With a single elimination, I can easily piece together who plays who by just seeing the bracket once. I can't do that with dbl elim without a bracket check online. It also allows a spectator to imagine how a tournament plays out. Remember bracket contests? You never see those with double elim.

Korean ESPORTS has used single-elim for a decade. Almost every major sport uses single-elim and it's not just cause of time restraints and for the casual audience that it's used. I'll tell you why:

LESS is MORE

People figured out years ago single-elim games create better games. Yes, that's right better games. There's a reason why season games and group stages don't get as many views as when playoffs start: Player's aren't really in danger yet. That's the beauty of single-elim: You either Win or you're finished.

Single-elim also has greater drama, as the reason why they allow games to start off with smaller sets start of the tournament is not just cause of time restraints but to allow for upsets. That's right UPSETS. Whether most people realize this or not, it is upsets that help tournaments become memorable. (e.g. MC vs ThorZain - TSL3, Huk vs July, DHS2011) This is incentive for viewers to tune in to early stages of a tournament. It balances the top end of a tournament that has greater prizes on the line with the harder fight for survival at the bottom end of a tournament. Keeps you watching start to finish.

Double-elims do rank players better in order from 1st to X, but single-elims are just that much more exciting. Every stage of the tournament is that much more important. Does it suck Ret loss 2-0 right off the bat against Puma? Yea it does. But, it's also part of the many story-lines that will make up this tournament due to this format. It turned the start of the tournament into something must see and gives a weight of importance to every match.

This is why I am pro for single-elimination. It gives great benefits to organizers and unbeknownst to most viewers, it them gives the most epic showing.


Well said. I guess my only grip is that in NASL it should have been BO5. But just said what I think about Single elimination
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